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Posted: 11/30/2013 7:31:58 AM EST
Someone mentioned that some folks had figured out a magazine workaround making the mag "permanent" and not detachable.
Does anybody know anything about this?
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 7:37:58 AM EST
Google is your homeboy.
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 7:55:17 AM EST
Theres at least one smith out there pinning mags into AR mag wells
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 7:57:42 AM EST
FAB 10. I think CalGuns had an epic thread on it.
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 8:07:29 AM EST
Go online and search for DD's Ranch, he has compliant fixed mag guns for sale....
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 8:32:35 AM EST
But you would need to permanently attack a ten or less round magazine correct?
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 8:44:20 AM EST
Correct. Unless it is a .22 upper and you create a tube mag......
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 1:55:28 PM EST
On the nyfirearms website someone came up with using a t-nut to replace the mag release button. When it is tightened there is no way to remove the mag. I bought a pack of two at lowes for less than 3 bucks. They have to be 10-32 x 9/32. Just need a rubber washer to put between the nut and the lower so when it is removed after the lawsuit it won't be permanently scratched. I plan to put a small regular nut with JB weld on it so that it can be ground off later and then all I will need is a new mag release to get it back in proper working order. I am pinning a surplus mag to 10 rounds that I can permanently affix in my lower. Others are saying the mr2 button is legal as well but for now I will stick with this method because I can modify two ars for like $5 as opposed to around $30 each for the mr2 which so far has not been proven legal, as far as I know.

Link Posted: 11/30/2013 2:15:09 PM EST



If they want it to be permanent, just put some JB Weld in the hole and you're done. I don't see why that would be necessary, but then again, what do I know.
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 2:47:55 PM EST
Disgusting.

Just go ahead and chop off the head of your dicks while you're at it.
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 2:52:02 PM EST
Not bad considering the laws. I think even without JB weld or epoxy it would not be a detachable mag - think SKS/Mosin removable floor plate.
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 3:24:47 PM EST
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Disgusting.

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To each it's own.
Link Posted: 11/30/2013 3:48:20 PM EST
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 4:30:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
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Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 7:32:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cetane:
Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.
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Originally Posted By cetane:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.


Link Posted: 12/1/2013 9:05:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By olds442:


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9448/dsc03326up.jpg
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Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By cetane:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9448/dsc03326up.jpg

Ok,so where do you find them?
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 9:42:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/1/2013 10:58:39 AM EST by zw123]
Remove button and spring add 10/32 nut and washer.




install 10 round magazine, extended takedown pin, tack weld nut and paint.



Modify stripper clip



Be annoyed every time you reload



FUAC
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 11:34:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By zw123:
Remove button and spring add 10/32 nut and washer.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8837.JPG


install 10 round magazine, extended takedown pin, tack weld nut and paint.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8834.JPG

Modify stripper clip

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8835.JPG

Be annoyed every time you reload

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8836.JPG

FUAC
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yeah, there's several ways to do this. just depends on what route you choose. not everyone has access to a tig welder. nice write-up. gives people an idea of what to do. i will be doing 1 in the next couple weeks and will put it up as well. one lower with fixed mag for all my uppers. all my other lowers/"evil"guns will be stored out of state until i can join them hopefully sometime summer 2014.

i figured a non-detachable mag was easier and cheaper than neutering the shit out a rifle to make it featurless. pain in the ass to reload, but i don't really plan on blowing thru a lot of ammo any time soon anyways. just would like the option.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 12:20:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By zw123:
Remove button and spring add 10/32 nut and washer.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8837.JPG


install 10 round magazine, extended takedown pin, tack weld nut and paint.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8834.JPG

Modify stripper clip

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8835.JPG

Be annoyed every time you reload

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8836.JPG

FUAC
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I'm a little more of a neat freak, but your way definitely works. Very nice job and write up! I haven't tried loading it yet, but why did you need to modify the stripper clip?
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 12:36:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By olds442:


I'm a little more of a neat freak, but your way definitely works. Very nice job and write up! I haven't tried loading it yet, but why did you need to modify the stripper clip?
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Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By zw123:
Remove button and spring add 10/32 nut and washer.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8837.JPG


install 10 round magazine, extended takedown pin, tack weld nut and paint.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8834.JPG

Modify stripper clip

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8835.JPG

Be annoyed every time you reload

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8836.JPG

FUAC


I'm a little more of a neat freak, but your way definitely works. Very nice job and write up! I haven't tried loading it yet, but why did you need to modify the stripper clip?



The stripper clip guide is designed to go around the magazine itself. When it is installed in the lower, only a small part of the mag is showing. I needed to cut a portion of the guide off. I then epoxied a stripper clip to the guide. It's pretty sturdy now.

Link Posted: 12/1/2013 1:32:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By olds442:


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9448/dsc03326up.jpg
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Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By cetane:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9448/dsc03326up.jpg


How does the 10/32 nut...screw into the inside of the mag release button?
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 1:44:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:


How does the 10/32 nut...screw into the inside of the mag release button?
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Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By cetane:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9448/dsc03326up.jpg


How does the 10/32 nut...screw into the inside of the mag release button?


you do away with the mag release button and spring. that's a spacer, that is probably from a bullet button kit of some kind, if not mistaken.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 2:53:17 PM EST
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you do away with the mag release button and spring. that's a spacer, that is probably from a bullet button kit of some kind, if not mistaken.
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Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By cetane:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
olds, where did you get the 10/32 allen nut from? did you find them by themselves or did they come in a mag range lock kit or soemthing? been trying to find just the nuts, but can only find them in a 15 dollar kit that i don't want.
Allen nut, or screw? I have never seen an allen nut. You can do to almost any real hardware store and find allen screws of various sizes like tractor supply has an assortment.


He was actually looking for a 10/32 allen nut, not a set screw. The allen nut is used to screw onto the 10/32 stud coming off the mag catch. Here is a pic to better explain what I'm talking about.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/9448/dsc03326up.jpg


How does the 10/32 nut...screw into the inside of the mag release button?


you do away with the mag release button and spring. that's a spacer, that is probably from a bullet button kit of some kind, if not mistaken.


Correct, but the one that comes in the kit is plastic, I made mine out of aluminum.


Link Posted: 12/3/2013 6:33:32 AM EST
OK, only a "13'r" here, but . . .

Before the boating accident, I had a couple of AR's. Never got a chance to get an AR 10 though, in .308, before you know what.

Based on this thread, I went to DD's Ranch site. I'm considering an M & P 10, with the "NY Compliant" fixed mag doohickey. I emailed them and asked if it could be replaced with a removable mag once unSAFE is repealed. Here's the response I got:


Should the law change or you moved to a state where the pre ban configuration were legal, the modification is 100% reversible & 100% non altering to the firearm

What do you all think of the prospect? load from the top for now (only seven rounds!), but down the road, I've got my AR 10.

Opinions?
Link Posted: 12/6/2013 10:35:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By zw123:
Remove button and spring add 10/32 nut and washer.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8837.JPG


install 10 round magazine, extended takedown pin, tack weld nut and paint.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8834.JPG

Modify stripper clip

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8835.JPG

Be annoyed every time you reload

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/100_8836.JPG

FUAC
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This might work for my 6.8 hunting rifle.

How hard are these to unload once they're loaded for the purpose of hunting? If I detach the lower from the upper would that be considered "unloaded" in the eyes of the Fish Cops?
Link Posted: 12/6/2013 10:45:32 AM EST
My God this law is so dumb...

Because any lunatic with a drill and 10 mins couldn't return one of this "SAFE" AR's to it's original baby-killing configuration. right?
Link Posted: 12/7/2013 1:59:19 PM EST
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My God this law is so dumb...

Because any lunatic with a drill and 10 mins couldn't return one of this "SAFE" AR's to it's original baby-killing configuration. right?
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You mean someone going to commit a crime using a gun would break the law with an illegal gun? that would never happen.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:04:01 AM EST
Good luck with that "permanent" modification. I can easily foresee that Schneidermann's prosecutors will be cherry picking their venues with the willing testimony of the NYSP Firearms experts. While waiting for the appeal to be heard you will be a felon with no gun rights and all your firearms confiscated. If you want to risk your future and freedom on what "may" work in the NY Criminal Injustice System have at it.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:41:26 AM EST
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Good luck with that "permanent" modification. I can easily foresee that Schneidermann's prosecutors will be cherry picking their venues with the willing testimony of the NYSP Firearms experts. While waiting for the appeal to be heard you will be a felon with no gun rights and all your firearms confiscated. If you want to risk your future and freedom on what "may" work in the NY Criminal Injustice System have at it.
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Where in the law is "permanent" mentioned?
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Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
Good luck with that "permanent" modification. I can easily foresee that Schneidermann's prosecutors will be cherry picking their venues with the willing testimony of the NYSP Firearms experts. While waiting for the appeal to be heard you will be a felon with no gun rights and all your firearms confiscated. If you want to risk your future and freedom on what "may" work in the NY Criminal Injustice System have at it.
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Basically what you're saying is, we should all just register them, this way we won't have to worry. Good luck with that and in a year from now, when you get that confiscation notice in the mail, I'll be the one saying, I told you so. Read the law, there is a 30 day grace period for a person who unknowingly fails to register an "assault weapon" by April 15, 2014.


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Basically what you're saying is, we should all just register them, this way we won't have to worry. Good luck with that and in a year from now, when you get that confiscation notice in the mail, I'll be the one saying, I told you so. Read the law, there is a 30 day grace period for a person who unknowingly fails to register an "assault weapon" by April 15, 2014.


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Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
Good luck with that "permanent" modification. I can easily foresee that Schneidermann's prosecutors will be cherry picking their venues with the willing testimony of the NYSP Firearms experts. While waiting for the appeal to be heard you will be a felon with no gun rights and all your firearms confiscated. If you want to risk your future and freedom on what "may" work in the NY Criminal Injustice System have at it.


Basically what you're saying is, we should all just register them, this way we won't have to worry. Good luck with that and in a year from now, when you get that confiscation notice in the mail, I'll be the one saying, I told you so. Read the law, there is a 30 day grace period for a person who unknowingly fails to register an "assault weapon" by April 15, 2014.




I am saying nothing of the sort. I am merely pointing out that all the gyrations and machinations people are coming up with in an effort to create a "possibly" compliant AR are fraught with danger until ruled on by a Court of Incompetent jurisdiction. There is no clear direction regarding what may or may not be legal when modifying a AR type rifle. You roll the dice and take your chances if you are a gambling man.
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Originally Posted By Bushman_269:


I am saying nothing of the sort. I am merely pointing out that all the gyrations and machinations people are coming up with in an effort to create a "possibly" compliant AR are fraught with danger until ruled on by a Court of Incompetent jurisdiction. There is no clear direction regarding what may or may not be legal when modifying a AR type rifle. You roll the dice and take your chances if you are a gambling man.
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Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
Good luck with that "permanent" modification. I can easily foresee that Schneidermann's prosecutors will be cherry picking their venues with the willing testimony of the NYSP Firearms experts. While waiting for the appeal to be heard you will be a felon with no gun rights and all your firearms confiscated. If you want to risk your future and freedom on what "may" work in the NY Criminal Injustice System have at it.


Basically what you're saying is, we should all just register them, this way we won't have to worry. Good luck with that and in a year from now, when you get that confiscation notice in the mail, I'll be the one saying, I told you so. Read the law, there is a 30 day grace period for a person who unknowingly fails to register an "assault weapon" by April 15, 2014.




I am saying nothing of the sort. I am merely pointing out that all the gyrations and machinations people are coming up with in an effort to create a "possibly" compliant AR are fraught with danger until ruled on by a Court of Incompetent jurisdiction. There is no clear direction regarding what may or may not be legal when modifying a AR type rifle. You roll the dice and take your chances if you are a gambling man.


I agree, but what else can we do. We are fighting the fight through the courts, but in the meantime we are trying whatever we can to keep using our AR type rifles "legally" without registering. I don't see the gamble, if what we did to make them compliant isn't deemed legal, then we have 30 days from that point to either register or sell.

53 (C) A PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY FAILS TO APPLY TO REGISTER SUCH WEAPON, AS
54 REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION, WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE
55 CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH
56 SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR AND SUCH PERSON WHO UNKNOWINGLY
S. 2230 34 A. 2388

1 FAILS TO VALIDLY REGISTER SUCH WEAPON WITHIN SUCH ONE YEAR PERIOD SHALL
2 BE GIVEN A WARNING BY AN APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY ABOUT
3 SUCH FAILURE AND GIVEN THIRTY DAYS IN WHICH TO APPLY TO REGISTER SUCH
4 WEAPON OR TO SURRENDER IT.
A FAILURE TO APPLY OR SURRENDER SUCH WEAPON
5 WITHIN SUCH THIRTY-DAY PERIOD SHALL RESULT IN SUCH WEAPON BEING REMOVED
6 BY AN APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY AND DECLARED A NUISANCE.
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Originally Posted By olds442:

I agree, but what else can we do. We are fighting the fight through the courts, but in the meantime we are trying whatever we can to keep using our AR type rifles "legally" without registering. I don't see the gamble, if what we did to make them compliant isn't deemed legal, then we have 30 days from that point to either register or sell.

53 (C) A PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY FAILS TO APPLY TO REGISTER SUCH WEAPON, AS
54 REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION, WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE
55 CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH
56 SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR AND SUCH PERSON WHO UNKNOWINGLY
S. 2230 34 A. 2388

1 FAILS TO VALIDLY REGISTER SUCH WEAPON WITHIN SUCH ONE YEAR PERIOD SHALL
2 BE GIVEN A WARNING BY AN APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY ABOUT
3 SUCH FAILURE AND GIVEN THIRTY DAYS IN WHICH TO APPLY TO REGISTER SUCH
4 WEAPON OR TO SURRENDER IT.
A FAILURE TO APPLY OR SURRENDER SUCH WEAPON
5 WITHIN SUCH THIRTY-DAY PERIOD SHALL RESULT IN SUCH WEAPON BEING REMOVED
6 BY AN APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY AND DECLARED A NUISANCE.
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I don't think I'd bet the farm on whether "unknowingly" applies in this situation or even how this 30 day grace period will be interpreted by the approx. 400+ NYS law enforcement agencies under any other circumstances.
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I don't think I'd bet the farm on whether "unknowingly" applies in this situation or even how this 30 day grace period it will be interpreted by the approx. 400+ NYS law enforcement agencies under any other circumstances.
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Originally Posted By olds442:

I agree, but what else can we do. We are fighting the fight through the courts, but in the meantime we are trying whatever we can to keep using our AR type rifles "legally" without registering. I don't see the gamble, if what we did to make them compliant isn't deemed legal, then we have 30 days from that point to either register or sell.

53 (C) A PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY FAILS TO APPLY TO REGISTER SUCH WEAPON, AS
54 REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION, WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE
55 CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH
56 SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR AND SUCH PERSON WHO UNKNOWINGLY
S. 2230 34 A. 2388

1 FAILS TO VALIDLY REGISTER SUCH WEAPON WITHIN SUCH ONE YEAR PERIOD SHALL
2 BE GIVEN A WARNING BY AN APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY ABOUT
3 SUCH FAILURE AND GIVEN THIRTY DAYS IN WHICH TO APPLY TO REGISTER SUCH
4 WEAPON OR TO SURRENDER IT.
A FAILURE TO APPLY OR SURRENDER SUCH WEAPON
5 WITHIN SUCH THIRTY-DAY PERIOD SHALL RESULT IN SUCH WEAPON BEING REMOVED
6 BY AN APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY AND DECLARED A NUISANCE.

I don't think I'd bet the farm on whether "unknowingly" applies in this situation or even how this 30 day grace period it will be interpreted by the approx. 400+ NYS law enforcement agencies under any other circumstances.


I wouldn't bet the farm on anything when it comes to NYS. If I have determined that my rifle isn't an "assault weapon" by using the interactive tool given to us on the NYSP website, but I am told later (after the registration date) that I was incorrect in my determination. Then I feel I have "unknowingly" failed to register. Whether I am correct and whether they are actually giving a 30 day extension will just have to be seen.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 7:48:21 AM EST
non-detachable is not the same as non-removable. i can remove the magazine from any gun with the proper tools and time. i can remove the magazine from a pump shotgun, lever-action rifle, tube-fed rifle, bolt-action rife, etc etc.

i can make a magazine non-detachable(the wording used in the law).

i can't make one non-removable.

this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.

i plan on sacraficing a lower for all my uppers. all my other complete lowers will be out of this state before reg deadline, until this law is repealed(never), or i can join them out of state.

my AR's are not HD weapons. they are range guns and if/and when SHTF scenarios. if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose, i can assemble a lower in about 15 minutes and GTG.

hey Cuomo, my ass.
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non-detachable is not the same as non-removable. i can remove the magazine from any gun with the proper tools and time. i can remove the magazine from a pump shotgun, lever-action rifle, tube-fed rifle, bolt-action rife, etc etc.

i can make a magazine non-detachable(the wording used in the law).

i can't make one non-removable.

this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.

i plan on sacraficing a lower for all my uppers. all my other complete lowers will be out of this state before reg deadline, until this law is repealed(never), or i can join them out of state.

my AR's are not HD weapons. they are range guns and if/and when SHTF scenarios. if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose, i can assemble a lower in about 15 minutes and GTG.

hey Cuomo, my ass.
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Do you or anybody have a pic of the non-detachable mag device from DD's?
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this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.

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DD's isn't the only gun shop in NY selling SAFE Act compliant AR-15's.
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DD's isn't the only gun shop in NY selling SAFE Act compliant AR-15's.
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Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:

this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.


DD's isn't the only gun shop in NY selling SAFE Act compliant AR-15's.


A friend of mine just came from a gun store in Suffolk County. They are selling three different types NY compliant AR 15's. One has the Thordsen stock, one has a fixed 10 round magazine and another has the pistol grip removed with something else in it's place. This is the second gun store that I have heard of that is selling NY compliant AR 15's and I'm sure there are many more. Maybe this will be our way of finding out what is compliant and what isn't.
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Do you or anybody have a pic of the non-detachable mag device from DD's?
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Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
non-detachable is not the same as non-removable. i can remove the magazine from any gun with the proper tools and time. i can remove the magazine from a pump shotgun, lever-action rifle, tube-fed rifle, bolt-action rife, etc etc.

i can make a magazine non-detachable(the wording used in the law).

i can't make one non-removable.

this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.

i plan on sacraficing a lower for all my uppers. all my other complete lowers will be out of this state before reg deadline, until this law is repealed(never), or i can join them out of state.

my AR's are not HD weapons. they are range guns and if/and when SHTF scenarios. if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose, i can assemble a lower in about 15 minutes and GTG.

hey Cuomo, my ass.


Do you or anybody have a pic of the non-detachable mag device from DD's?


no pic, but i looked at it first hand. they eliminated the mag release button/spring, drilled out the the "post" on the mag catch, installed a 10 round mag, and used the modified mag catch along with an allen head screw and then tig welded the threads on the back side of the catch to make it permanent. then painted it to match. i think they were charging like $150 to do it to your lower or like $400 for a completed lower built by them. don't remember exact prices.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:27:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rkbar15:

DD's isn't the only gun shop in NY selling SAFE Act compliant AR-15's.
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Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:

this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.


DD's isn't the only gun shop in NY selling SAFE Act compliant AR-15's.


just using them as an example. there's more than one way to this, and i'm sure anyone with a little knowledge to do the same thing a different way.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:51:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:


no pic, but i looked at it first hand. they eliminated the mag release button/spring, drilled out the the "post" on the mag catch, installed a 10 round mag, and used the modified mag catch along with an allen head screw and then tig welded the threads on the back side of the catch to make it permanent. then painted it to match. i think they were charging like $150 to do it to your lower or like $400 for a completed lower built by them. don't remember exact prices.
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Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
Originally Posted By olds442:
Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
non-detachable is not the same as non-removable. i can remove the magazine from any gun with the proper tools and time. i can remove the magazine from a pump shotgun, lever-action rifle, tube-fed rifle, bolt-action rife, etc etc.

i can make a magazine non-detachable(the wording used in the law).

i can't make one non-removable.

this is how DD's is selling them. if they weren't sure that they wouldn't end up in prison over it, they wouldn't be doing it.

i plan on sacraficing a lower for all my uppers. all my other complete lowers will be out of this state before reg deadline, until this law is repealed(never), or i can join them out of state.

my AR's are not HD weapons. they are range guns and if/and when SHTF scenarios. if the SHTF and all hell breaks loose, i can assemble a lower in about 15 minutes and GTG.

hey Cuomo, my ass.


Do you or anybody have a pic of the non-detachable mag device from DD's?


no pic, but i looked at it first hand. they eliminated the mag release button/spring, drilled out the the "post" on the mag catch, installed a 10 round mag, and used the modified mag catch along with an allen head screw and then tig welded the threads on the back side of the catch to make it permanent. then painted it to match. i think they were charging like $150 to do it to your lower or like $400 for a completed lower built by them. don't remember exact prices.


Does it look like the one I made? You can see the different pics of it on page 1.
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Link Posted: 12/8/2013 1:34:42 PM EST
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DD's maglock
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From that pic, it looks like the same thing, but I would like to see the front.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 1:46:14 PM EST
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that's different from what they had at the Rochester Gun Show in Sept. must be they have refined things a bit and actually made the product available for self installers.

eta: i just ordered one to see what exactly it is. i am still tinkering with my work around, but always looking for a cleaner look, and better way.
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This is good information. There are a lot of different ways and products popping up to lock the magazine in place. It's the least intrusive modification at the moment to avoid registration.

I am still dangling onto hope for an injunction prior to April but It seems less and less likely everyday.
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Originally Posted By Prominus:
This is good information. There are a lot of different ways and products popping up to lock the magazine in place. It's the least intrusive modification at the moment to avoid registration.

I am still dangling onto hope for an injunction prior to April but It seems less and less likely everyday.
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this is exactly it. i'm not registering shit. anything i can't modify easily to be compliant is going out of state before 4/15/14. some may say i am caving in by complying. but i plan on leaving this shithole to fight another day. can't do that from a jail cell, or tied up in court.

hey andy, suck it.
Link Posted: 12/9/2013 3:16:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandDeschain:
that's different from what they had at the Rochester Gun Show in Sept. must be they have refined things a bit and actually made the product available for self installers.

eta: i just ordered one to see what exactly it is. i am still tinkering with my work around, but always looking for a cleaner look, and better way.
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Did you ask them about what documentation they have on file to support the following? When you get it please take a few pics and post them in this thread. TIA

Magazine Lock holds magazine in exactly the same way asyour firearms original magazine catch, but makes it non removeable. Once the firearm has a "fixed magazine" it is no longer classified as an assault weapon, no matter what features are on it, and therfor does not require registration.


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Link Posted: 12/9/2013 7:12:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BushBoar:
I think it's kind of amusing how many people are convinced that a confiscation bill will be passed for those who register, but that their (currently) compliant rifles will be immune.

All meg fed semi autos are next, then all semi auto rifles in general.
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Registration is the first step in the plan
And then they will know where the registered ones are. Those that are compliant would have to be found. What I hear them say, they will never do door to door searches ?
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Link Posted: 12/9/2013 7:51:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gatkeper:

Registration is the first step in the plan
And then they will know where the registered ones are. Those that are compliant would have to be found. What I hear them say, they will never do door to door searches ?
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Originally Posted By gatkeper:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
I think it's kind of amusing how many people are convinced that a confiscation bill will be passed for those who register, but that their (currently) compliant rifles will be immune.

All meg fed semi autos are next, then all semi auto rifles in general.

Registration is the first step in the plan
And then they will know where the registered ones are. Those that are compliant would have to be found. What I hear them say, they will never do door to door searches ?
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I do not think the police will do door to door searches. Not our current police anyways.

Maybe NYC and Long Island though...

And registering will most certainly lead to confiscation.
Link Posted: 12/9/2013 9:44:18 AM EST
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Added to cart to check shipping cost just out of curiosity... $11.66 !!!! I'll pass.
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