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Posted: 10/14/2008 5:18:13 AM EST
Are the rules for AK's the same as they are for AR's here in CA? 16" barrel, fixed mag...etc.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 8:29:22 AM EST
I'm no expert on it, but the AWB here is pretty straight forward. It's either by name or features, but not name AND features. Check the posted topics at the top of the forum for a breakdown of the laws.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 9:54:48 AM EST
Same thing. Either a pistol grip and other evil features and fixed 10 round mag or detachable mag with no grip/evil features.
Link Posted: 10/14/2008 11:04:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By Yaish:
I'm no expert on it, but the AWB here is pretty straight forward. It's either by name or features, but not name AND features. Check the posted topics at the top of the forum for a breakdown of the laws.


If it is banned by name, it's banned.

If it contains a detachable magazine and one or more evil features, it's banned.

The rules for OLL AKs is the same as OLL ARs.
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 9:42:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By leelaw:
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Originally Posted By Yaish:
I'm no expert on it, but the AWB here is pretty straight forward. It's either by name or features, but not name AND features. Check the posted topics at the top of the forum for a breakdown of the laws.


If it is banned by name, it's banned.

If it contains a detachable magazine and one or more evil features, it's banned.

The rules for OLL AKs is the same as OLL ARs.


What about AK pistols? I understand the rule about them having to be single-shot, mag locked & blocked...but what about when building from an 80% flat reciever? I understand for AR pistols they have to be built out of state and transferred through FFL, but that's with a 100% pistol reciever.
Link Posted: 10/15/2008 6:54:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By fpasuncion:

What about AK pistols? I understand the rule about them having to be single-shot, mag locked & blocked...but what about when building from an 80% flat reciever? I understand for AR pistols they have to be built out of state and transferred through FFL, but that's with a 100% pistol reciever.


The build methods for AR and AK pistols are the same.

1. Build from a so-called "80%" receiver (some receiver that is unfinished ot the point where it is not deemed a firearm). Built it to the single-shot exempt dimensions (6.5" bbl, 10.5"OAL, min, IIRC), and install a sled magazine, fixed in place. Register with DOJ.

or

2. Build or purchase a pistol and have it converted into a single-shot pistol that meets the dimensional specifications. Have it sent ot your FFL, and DROS it.

In both cases, once either of the processes described above is done, you may convert it to a sem-automatic pistol, but you MUST have a fixed magazine which holds no more than 10 rounds.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 9:22:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By leelaw:
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Originally Posted By fpasuncion:

What about AK pistols? I understand the rule about them having to be single-shot, mag locked & blocked...but what about when building from an 80% flat reciever? I understand for AR pistols they have to be built out of state and transferred through FFL, but that's with a 100% pistol reciever.


The build methods for AR and AK pistols are the same.

1. Build from a so-called "80%" receiver (some receiver that is unfinished ot the point where it is not deemed a firearm). Built it to the single-shot exempt dimensions (6.5" bbl, 10.5"OAL, min, IIRC), and install a sled magazine, fixed in place. Register with DOJ.

or

2. Build or purchase a pistol and have it converted into a single-shot pistol that meets the dimensional specifications. Have it sent ot your FFL, and DROS it.

In both cases, once either of the processes described above is done, you may convert it to a sem-automatic pistol, but you MUST have a fixed magazine which holds no more than 10 rounds.


When I register with DOJ...What paperwork do I need? What about drop testing? by the way, leelaw...thanks...you're helping out a bunch
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 9:26:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By fpasuncion:

When I register with DOJ...What paperwork do I need? What about drop testing? by the way, leelaw...thanks...you're helping out a bunch


Building it as a single-shot pistol which meets the dimensional requirements is a specific exemption from the drop-list shenanigans.

If you build it from a non-firearm receiver (machine it to completion by yourself, then assemble to legal requirements) you register it with this form: ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf I'd recommend putting your name, city, and a serial number on it, but it's not required.

If you purchase a single-shot AR or AK (FAL? other?) pistol that meets the single-shot exemption requirements, then you just DROS it, and that's it.

Once you DROS, or register it, then you can convert it to a semi-automatic function, but if it's a pistol with the magazine well outside the pistol grip, make sure you have a FIXED ten round (or less) capacity magazine.
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 10:55:44 AM EST
10-4, leelaw...thanks again
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