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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:35:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 5:40:16 AM EST by Chaingun]
ARM USA's Freedom Reporter
August 20, 2004


FINAL WEEK FOR LEGISLATION TO PASS OR FAIL


I spoke with people in the legislators' offices today. These bills could go for vote at any time, although typically the votes occur Tuesdays thru Thursdays. If we defeat these bills now, then they will be DEAD til next year, because the end of the legislative session is August 31st. The most effective measure at this point would be to fax a letter to each of their offices. At the very least, please try to make a few phone calls. We appreciate everyone's help in seeing these bills beaten back - heck if it wasn't for all the pressure we've been putting on them so far, I am 100% certain that they would have been passed already!! Please fax or call again - we need all the help we can get. Remember when writing or faxing to put in BIG BOLD LETTERS UP AT THE TOP the bills you oppose and a request for them to VOTE NO ON BILL #"XX".


AB 50 - 50 caliber ban - goes to Full Senate for vote
AB-50 will most likely be heard this coming week in the full Senate - defeating this bill in the senate is extremely critical as this will be our best chance of beating it. If it passes the Senate, it will go back to the Assembly and they have until August 31st to get it out of the Assembly. Traditionally what they do is stop the clock on the Assembly floor at 5 minutes to 12 on the night of the 31st and just go thru the bills until they get them all done. More than likely, if this comes out of the Senate they will make the effort to get it read in the Assembly. Stopping it in the Senate is very crucial. Please contact your state senator ASAP - contact info is here:
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/legs/sen.shtml


SB 1152 - fingerprint & paper trail for ammo purchases!
It has passed thru all committees and is on the Assembly floor for a vote by the full assembly. It will most likely be heard this coming week. The entire list of assembly members is here:
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/legs/asm.shtml


SB 1140 - Would make it a crime if a minor gains access to your firearms!
It has passed thru all committees and is on the Assembly floor for a vote by the full assembly. It will most likely be heard this coming week. The entire list of assembly members is here:
http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/legs/asm.shtml

NOTE: SB1152 AND SB1140 will both come before the full assembly - so you can kill 2 birds with one stone by faxing opposition to both bills at the same time.


At the VERY LEAST, please contact YOUR assembly person and tell the to VOTE NO. You can find your assembly person's info here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html Be sure to call their Sacramento office, as they are all up there to vote.



This is the last push - please warm up the fax machine and let 'em have it!!! Thank you for all your efforts!!!

In Freedom,
Jolynne
guns@ARMUSA.com
ARM USA
www.ARMUSA.com
www.50BMGstore.com
(714) 520-4600
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 9:54:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 3:50:17 PM EST
Better get your .50 NOW!!! AB50 passed out of the Senate, it's over!
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 3:55:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:11:51 PM EST
If your in the SoCal area, come out to Angeles Range on any 3rd Sunday of the month. You can try mine out or any of the other guys, more fun then a turd that won't flush!
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 5:38:00 PM EST
Still a chance, it goes back to asembly check out http://www.calnra.com/legs.shtml click ab50

www.calnra.com/legs.shtml
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 7:21:54 PM EST
August 23, 2004


AB50 PASSES THRU THE SENATE- One Last Chance to Beat It!


I received an email notifying me of this terrible news - then I confirmed it with people in Paul Koretz's office. AB50 now goes to the full Assembly to be voted on again. These bills could go for vote at any time- PROBABLY TOMORROW. Please fax a letter to each of their offices or at the very least, please try to make a few phone calls. Remember when faxing to put in BIG BOLD LETTERS UP AT THE TOP the bills you oppose and a request for them to VOTE NO ON AB50.

Get the template from our website!!! http://www.50bmgstore.com/beatAB50.htm

YOU CAN USE THE LETTER I'VE CREATED and simply replace the name, address and phone info with your own. Get it from our website - the EASIEST WAY I COULD MAKE IT. These documents contain a fax to every democrat - all you have to do is substitute YOUR info.

I know not everyone has Wordperfect, so I am working on a Microsoft Word version also - I will update the page ASAP. THANK YOU!!!

I have marked all democrats' names below with XXXX so you can concentrate your efforts on calling and faxing those members. Please call the Sacramento offices FIRST, and if you have spare time (what's that?), then fax and call theor local offices(their info is also on the website download the Word document - Assembly member info - http://www.50bmgstore.com/forms/assemblyinfo.doc ).

Name (click for email) District Sac. Phone Local Phone Sac. FAX Local FAX
Greg Aghazarian 26th AD (916) 319-2026 (209) 473-6972 (916) 319-2126 (209) 473-6977
Patricia C. Bates 73rd AD (916) 319-2073 (949) 495-0730 (916) 319-2173 (949) 363-2630
John J. Benoit 64th AD (916) 319-2064 (909) 369-6644 (916) 319-2164 (909) 369-0366
XXXX Patty Berg 01st AD (916) 319-2001 (707) 576-2526 (916) 319-2101 (707) 576-2297
XXXX Rudy Bermúdez 56th AD (916) 319-2056 (562) 864-5600 (916) 319-2156 (562) 863-7466
Russ Bogh 65th AD (916) 319-2065 (909) 790-4196 (916) 319-2165 (909) 790-0479
XXXX Ronald S. Calderon 58th AD (916) 319-2058 (323) 838-5858 (916) 319-2158 (323) 838-0677
John Campbell 70th AD (916) 319-2070 (949) 863-7070 (916) 319-2170 (949) 863-9337
XXXX Joseph Canciamilla 11th AD (916) 319-2011 (925) 372-7990 (916) 319-2111 (925) 372-0934
XXXX Wilma Chan 16th AD (916) 319-2016 (510) 286-1670 (916) 319-2116 (510) 286-1888
XXXX Ed Chavez 57th AD (916) 319-2057 (562) 695-8414 (916) 319-2157 (562) 695-8319
XXXX Judy Chu 49th AD (916) 319-2049 (323) 981-3426 (916) 319-2149 (323) 981-3436
Dave Cogdill 25th AD (916) 319-2025 (209) 576-6425 (916) 319-2125 (209) 576-6426
XXXX Rebecca Cohn 24th AD (916) 319-2024 (408) 369-8170 (916) 319-2124 (408) 369-8174
XXXX Ellen M. Corbett 18th AD (916) 319-2018 (510) 614-0180 (916) 319-2118 (510) 614-2038
XXXX Lou Correa 69th AD (916) 319-2069 (714) 285-0355 (916) 319-2169 (714) 285-1301
Dave Cox 05th AD (916) 319-2005 (916) 349-1995 (916) 319-2105 (916) 349-1999
Lynn Daucher 72nd AD (916) 319-2072 (714) 672-4734 (916) 319-2172 (714) 672-4737
XXXX Manny Diaz 23rd AD (916) 319-2023 (408) 277-1220 (916) 319-2123 (408) 277-1036
XXXX John A. Dutra 20th AD (916) 319-2020 (510) 794-2580 (916) 319-2120 (510) 440-9035
Robert D. Dutton 63rd AD (916) 319-2063 (909) 466-4180 (916) 319-2163 (909) 466-4185
XXXX Mervyn M. Dymally 52nd AD (916) 319-2052 (310) 223-1201 (916) 319-2152 (310) 223-1202
XXXX Marco Antonio Firebaugh 50th AD (916) 319-2050 (562) 927-1200 (916) 319-2150 (562) 927-6670
XXXX Dario Frommer 43rd AD (916) 319-2043 (818) 240-6330 (916) 319-2143 (818) 240-4632
Bonnie Garcia 80th AD (916) 319-2080 (760) 321-8522 (916) 319-2180 (760) 321-8410
XXXX Jackie Goldberg 45th AD (916) 319-2045 (323) 258-0450 (916) 319-2145 (323) 258-3807
XXXX Loni Hancock 14th AD (916) 319-2014 (510) 559-1406 (916) 319-2114 (510) 559-1478
Tom Harman 67th AD (916) 319-2067 (714) 843-4966 (916) 319-2167 (714) 843-6375
Ray Haynes 66th AD (916) 319-2066 (909) 699-1113 (916) 319-2166 (909) 694-1039
Shirley Horton 78th AD (916) 319-2078 (619) 462-7878 (916) 319-2178 (619) 462-0078
XXXX Jerome Horton 51st AD (916) 319-2051 (310) 412-6400 (916) 319-2151 (310) 412-6354
Guy S. Houston 15th AD (916) 319-2015 (925) 606-4990 (916) 319-2115 (925) 606-4488
XXXX Hannah-Beth Jackson 35th AD (916) 319-2035 (805) 564-1649 (916) 319-2135 (805) 564-1651
Rick Keene 03rd AD (916) 319-2003 (530) 895-4217 (916) 319-2103 (530) 895-4219
XXXX Christine Kehoe 76th AD (916) 319-2076 (619) 294-7600 (916) 319-2176 (619) 294-2348
XXXX Paul Koretz 42nd AD (916) 319-2042 (310) 652-4242 (916) 319-2142 (310) 285-5499
Jay La Suer 77th AD (916) 319-2077 (619) 465-7723 (916) 319-2177 (619) 465-7765
XXXX John Laird 27th AD (916) 319-2027 (831) 425-1503 (916) 319-2127 (831) 425-2570
Doug LaMalfa 02nd AD (916) 319-2002 (530) 223-6300 (916) 319-2102 (530) 223-6737
XXXX Mark Leno 13th AD (916) 319-2013 (415) 557-3013 (916) 319-2113 (415) 557-3013
Tim Leslie 04th AD (916) 319-2004 (916) 774-4430 (916) 319-2104 (916) 774-4433
XXXX Lloyd E. Levine 40th AD (916) 319-2040 (818) 904-3840 (916) 319-2140 (818) 902-0764
XXXX Sally J. Lieber 22nd AD (916) 319-2022 (408) 277-2003 (916) 319-2122 (408) 277-2084
XXXX Carol Liu 44th AD (916) 319-2044 (626) 577-9944 (916) 319-2144 (626) 577-2868
XXXX John Longville 62nd AD (916) 319-2062 (909) 388-1413 (916) 319-2162 (909) 388-1176
XXXX Alan Lowenthal 54th AD (916) 319-2054 (562) 495-4766 (916) 319-2154 (562) 495-1876
Ken Maddox 68th AD (916) 319-2068 (714) 668-2100 (916) 319-2168 (714) 668-2104
Abel Maldonado 33rd AD (916) 319-2033 (805) 549-3381 (916) 319-2133 (805) 549-3400
XXXX Barbara S. Matthews 17th AD (916) 319-2017 (209) 948-7479 (916) 319-2117 (209) 465-5058
Bill Maze 34th AD (916) 319-2034 (559) 636-3440 (916) 319-2134 (559) 636-4484
Kevin McCarthy 32nd AD (916) 319-2032 (661) 395-2995 (916) 319-2132 (661) 395-3883
XXXX Cindy Montañez 39th AD (916) 319-2039 (818) 838-3939 (916) 319-2139 (818) 838-3931
Dennis Mountjoy 59th AD (916) 319-2059 (626) 359-8305 (916) 319-2159 (626) 358-5826
XXXX Gene Mullin 19th AD (916) 319-2019 (650) 341-4319 (916) 319-2119 (650) 341-4676
Alan Nakanishi 10th AD (916) 319-2010 (209) 333-5330 (916) 319-2110 (209) 333-5333
XXXX George Nakano 53rd AD (916) 319-2053 (310) 782-1553 (916) 319-2153 (310) 782-2566
XXXX Joe Nation 06th AD (916) 319-2006 (415) 479-4920 (916) 319-2106 (415) 479-2123
XXXX Gloria Negrete McLeod 61st AD (916) 319-2061 (909) 621-2783 (916) 319-2161 (909) 621-7483
XXXX Fabian Nuñez 46th AD (916) 319-2046 (213) 620-4646 (916) 319-2146 (213) 620-6319
XXXX Jenny Oropeza 55th AD (916) 319-2055 (310) 518-3324 (916) 319-2155 (310) 518-3508
Robert Pacheco 60th AD (916) 319-2060 (626) 839-2000 (916) 319-2160 (626) 839-2005
XXXX Nicole Parra 30th AD (916) 319-2030 (661) 334-3745 (916) 319-2130 (661) 334-3796
XXXX Fran Pavley 41st AD (916) 319-2041 (818) 596-4141 (916) 319-2141 (818) 596-4150
George A. Plescia 75th AD (916) 319-2075 (858) 689-6290 (916) 319-2175 (858) 689-6296
XXXX Sarah Reyes 31st AD (916) 319-2031 (559) 445-5532 (916) 319-2131 (559) 445-6006
Keith Richman 38th AD (916) 319-2038 (818) 368-3838 (916) 319-2138 (818) 885-3307
XXXX Mark Ridley-Thomas 48th AD (916) 319-2048 (213) 745-6656 (916) 319-2148 (213) 745-6722
Sharon Runner 36th AD (916) 319-2036 (661) 723-3368 (916) 319-2136 (661) 723-6307
XXXX Simon Salinas 28th AD (916) 319-2028 (831) 759-8676 (916) 319-2128 (831) 759-2961
Steven N. Samuelian 29th AD (916) 319-2029 (559) 243-4192 (916) 319-2129 (559) 243-4196
XXXX S. Joseph Simitian 21st AD (916) 319-2021 (650) 688-6330 (916) 319-2121 (650) 688-6336
Todd Spitzer 71st AD (916) 319-2071 (714) 998-0980 (916) 319-2171 (714) 744-6979
XXXX Darrell Steinberg 09th AD (916) 319-2009 (916) 324-4676 (916) 319-2109 (916) 327-3338
Tony Strickland 37th AD (916) 319-2037 (805) 230-9167 (916) 319-2137 (805) 230-9183
XXXX Juan Vargas 79th AD (916) 319-2079 (619) 409-7979 (916) 319-2179 (619) 409-9270
XXXX Herb J. Wesson 47th AD (916) 319-2047 (323) 290-5105 (916) 319-2147 (323) 290-5127
Patricia Wiggins 07th AD (916) 319-2007 (707) 546-4500 (916) 319-2107 (707) 546-9031
XXXX Lois Wolk 08th AD (916) 319-2008 (707) 455-8025 (916) 319-2108 (707) 455-0490
Mark Wyland 74th AD (916) 319-2074 (760) 631-7670 (916) 319-2174 (760) 631-7666
XXXX Leland Yee 12th AD (916) 319-2012 (415) 557-2312 (916) 319-2112 (415) 557-1178

We are outnumbered, but we may be able to persuade some of our opposition to side with us. How about common sense?

You can listen to the live webcast of the assembly floor session here tomorrow: http://www.calchannel.com/webcast.htm. So send your faxes and tune in.

At the VERY LEAST, please contact YOUR assembly person and tell the to VOTE NO. You can find your assembly person's info here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html Be sure to call their Sacramento office, as they are all up there to vote.


This is our last chance - please warm up the fax machine and let 'em have it!!! Thank you for all your efforts!!!

Never give up!
Jolynne
guns@ARMUSA.com
ARM USA
www.ARMUSA.com
www.50BMGstore.com
(714) 520-4600
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Link Posted: 8/23/2004 7:47:56 PM EST
Maybe one good thing about this, break out all of your unregistered pre-ban AR type rifles. Buy a .50 BMG upper and then register them as a .50, change them back whenever you want and they're still legal, even with those 20 & 30rd mags in them!

Whose got a line on some 80% lowers? I think it might be time to buy a few.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 10:23:57 PM EST
50 shooter -- caliber of an AR lower doesnt matter, the fact that its an AR anything is what makes it illegal.

so it would be a BAD idea to try and register an unregistered AR or to try and make an 80%.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:38:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Garand1911:
50 shooter -- caliber of an AR lower doesnt matter, the fact that its an AR anything is what makes it illegal.

so it would be a BAD idea to try and register an unregistered AR or to try and make an 80%.



There's the 80% with the blocked mag well, those should be legal, and an 80% should be legal also. This has possibilities, and you don't need a 50 upper to do it.

CALL AND FAX NOW, DON'T FORGET FRIENDS AND FAMILY TOO!!!
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:46:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 6:46:48 AM EST by warlord]
Carol Liu is my Assemblyman, I will call her today. I think the field offices also talk to the people in Sacremento, so calling the field office is just like calling the main Sacramento. So for some of us who have to pay the telco charge for calling Sacramento, calling the assemblyman's field office would be the best bet.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 7:12:44 PM EST
Does anyone know where it is, did it pass in the senate?
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 7:32:27 PM EST
AB-50 senate 21-14 60%
SB-1152 senate 22-16 58%
SB1140 no action

Don't know if majority means 51% or 60%, though.

Next stop, Arnold's desk.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 9:54:37 PM EST
Any idea on when these will take effect if passed?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:57:11 AM EST
From what I've heard, you'll have to be in posession on the .50 before Jan 1st and have them registered by Apr 1st. To me this seems impossible, how are they going to notify everyone and then get the forms to have them registered by Apr 1st. I guess that's why they made it Apr. 1st (fools day).
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:40:27 AM EST
We have a better chance with Arnold at least he's a RINO. We'll have to start a new thread with his contact info and one line easy to read selling points.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:11:57 AM EST
Here's some good (bad really) reading to help you write a letter, Fifty Caliber Institute These POS's made sure to screw us, now you know why Kali is so F'ed up!!!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:32:11 AM EST
It's really bad when the cockroaches aren't afraid to come out during daylight. These fucktards in Sacramento need to be tar and feathered.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 10:51:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 12:09:17 PM EST by Chaingun]

But the rules seem to matter very little in Sacramento. Shortly after voting to send the fifty caliber ban to a well-deserved grave, California Democrats called for a "re-vote" and we watched as a handful of Democrats pressed the vote button at their own desk, then calmly walked to the empty desk of another member of the Assembly and voted a second time. This, we learn, is what California Legislators call "Ghost Voting." Nobody there is shocked because "they do it all the time." Ah, I see...




I'm missing something, a vote was taken, some of the senators left, another vote was called, and the ghost voting happened. Why doesn't the assembly person who originally voted NO and left, complain?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 11:16:19 AM EST
Holy crap! You guys in Kali have got a serious problem with ghost voting. Especially if the assembly member you're counting on doesn't hang around for the "real" vote. How did this become accepted? The SC legislature better not be pulling this kind of crap!

-YJ
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 12:01:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chaingun:

Originally Posted By Garand1911:
50 shooter -- caliber of an AR lower doesnt matter, the fact that its an AR anything is what makes it illegal.

so it would be a BAD idea to try and register an unregistered AR or to try and make an 80%.



There's the 80% with the blocked mag well, those should be legal, and an 80% should be legal also. This has possibilities, and you don't need a 50 upper to do it.




I can't figure out if the 50s would be registered the same as AW's or if they'd be registered some other way (destructive devices?)

Who makes an 80% with a blocked mag well?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 9:49:13 PM EST
WE MUST CONTACT THE TERMINATOR AND TELL HIM TO TERMINATE THESE BILLS, IT IS YOUR LAST HOPE!

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633

CALL OR FAX HIM NOW!

SB 1152 IS ESPECIALLY NASTY. WANT TO BUY AMMO? WELL NOW YOU HAVE DE-FACTO AMMUNITION REGISTRATION WHICH IS DEFACTO GUN REGISTRATION. AND YES, YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOUR FINGERPRINTS TO BUY AMMO.

The information demanded by the state on each ammunition purchase includes:

-Date of transaction
-Name, address, and date of birth of the purchaser Driver's license or other ID number, including state of issuance
-Brand, type, and amount of ammunition
-The signature of the customer
-The name of the salesperson
-The right thumbprint of the purchaser
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 11:09:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 8:49:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By 50_Shooter:
From what I've heard, you'll have to be in posession on the .50 before Jan 1st and have them registered by Apr 1st. To me this seems impossible, how are they going to notify everyone and then get the forms to have them registered by Apr 1st. I guess that's why they made it Apr. 1st (fools day).




there will be NO intention to notify everyone of the law, they dont care if you get arrested for a weapons violation because you didnt know the law.
oh sure they will have some money (2 bucks worth) for 10 second commerical at 3am on channel 28 about registering your 50bmg, just so they can say they followed the law and TRIED to notify gun owners.
5 years later some people in kali STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE STATE AWB, how it affects them and that the gun they own is in violation.
the beauty of it (for the DOJ) is that you get arrested, your guns confiscated, the DOJ gets a pat on the back and more funding, so more gun laws can be passed and more law abiding citizens can get arrested.


the 50s will prolly go into the same list as handguns and AWs
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:35:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 2:36:28 PM EST by California_Kid]

Originally Posted By yellowjacket:
Holy crap! You guys in Kali have got a serious problem with ghost voting. Especially if the assembly member you're counting on doesn't hang around for the "real" vote. How did this become accepted? The SC legislature better not be pulling this kind of crap!

-YJ



The problem in the CA legislature is why single-party rule is to be avoided at all costs. Republicans in the CA senate and assembly are a weak 1/3 of the members, and they have very little say in what rules get made or broken.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the CA legislature was 2/3 Republican they'd be pulling some other shit that was just as bad.
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 7:58:06 PM EST
Its the weekend, time to write the snail-mail letters to Arnold. Print a few copies and mail a few out for each bill next week.

Let's do it, Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 12:29:10 PM EST
So did the .50 cal ban pass?
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 6:57:52 PM EST
mfer signed it
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 7:00:01 PM EST
I am so sorry guys.
I am afraid it will get worse and worse.
Next year will be something else.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 7:39:59 PM EST
9/13 7:30 PM: Governor Shwarzenegger signed AB50 into law. Game over!

Plan B: Ferret with an 80% lower receiver, What types of markings does the lower require, SN? Name?

Link Posted: 9/13/2004 9:42:12 PM EST
FUCK'N LIBS...the VAGINA is takeing over the world...dam pussys cant tell the differance between thier dick and thier ass holes
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:07:41 AM EST
Governor Schwarzenneger,

In your own words, from The Terminator:


FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 1:04:17 PM EST
Do I buy new uppers and stocks for my AR, or save to buy a .50 before Jan.?

What do I do?

Need more money!!!
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