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Posted: 12/14/2010 3:19:22 AM EST
looks like it is starting again:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40572312/ns/world_news-americas/

U.S. firearms agents estimate that around 80 percent of the weapons used by Mexican drug traffickers come from the United States, where cartel leaders are hiring Americans with clean records to make the purchases for them. In the past four years, Mexican authorities say they have seized 90,000 weapons from their nation's drug war"
The cartels need their tools of the trade, which are the weapons, and they are coming to the U.S. to get those weapons," William McMahon of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told NBC News



Although U.S. officials say they have recently seized more than 10,000 weapons headed for Mexico, Mexican authorities say more work needs to be done to stem the flow, including better use of a gun tracing program known as eTrace.
That program was announced in Mexico in January 2008 as the cornerstone of efforts to "terminate the illegal shipment of arms to Mexico and reduce the violence they cause on both sides of the border."



Link Posted: 12/14/2010 3:50:06 AM EST
[#1]
Everyone who reads this will drop 21 IQ points and lose 18 brain cells !
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 4:19:05 AM EST
[#2]
Besides, where else are they going to get weapons from? It's not like they have a huge firearms manufacture business in Mexico.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 4:22:28 AM EST
[#3]
And God knows you can pick up a full-auto AK-47 and RPG at your local convenience store...
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 4:23:10 AM EST
[#4]
How about sealing the damn border, that would stop it.  I guess that wasn't mentioned by that liberal rag.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 5:19:51 AM EST
[#5]
I liked Boortz's idea about securing the border. Put 1 mil in an account for 10 Mexican generals who are responsible for 100 miles each and for every person who gets across $100 is deducted. At the end of the year they get whatever is left. How they stop them is up to them.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 5:23:55 AM EST
[#6]
Yes. They come from the US, but were given by the US Government to the Mexican National Government for use in their drug control ten years ago. The corrupt state and local Mexican governments turned around and gave or sold the weapons to the drug cartels. The problem is the corruption in the state and local governments, not the US weapons being smuggled.

Regardless of your point of view, this still sounds like an excellent argument to seal the boarders and stop all trafficking both ways.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 5:45:25 AM EST
[#7]
Quoted:
I liked Boortz's idea about securing the border. Put 1 mil in an account for 10 Mexican generals who are responsible for 100 miles each and for every person who gets across $100 is deducted. At the end of the year they get whatever is left. How they stop them is up to them.


I like that. That is the good form of job out-sourcing.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 6:08:11 AM EST
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I liked Boortz's idea about securing the border. Put 1 mil in an account for 10 Mexican generals who are responsible for 100 miles each and for every person who gets across $100 is deducted. At the end of the year they get whatever is left. How they stop them is up to them.


I like that. That is the good form of job out-sourcing.


1 million aint nothing...shoot 10 million still aint nothing.

I saw a kilo of crack is worth something like $300,000.  (not sure how accurate that is)  IF that is the case they can buy a general or two for just over 3 kilos!!!

I like the idea of removing the fence and just painting a HUGH crosswalk across the entire border.  everyone knows a mexcian will NEVER use a cross walk......

problem solved!
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 6:12:24 AM EST
[#9]
Seal the border. I have long ago done my best to not by Chinese, I'm adding Mexican now. Seal the damn thing up there's nothing that comes from there that I want.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 7:38:26 AM EST
[#10]
Isn't that the same statistic they used last time that ended up getting refuted? I don't have time right now to look up the articles, but you guys know what I'm talking about. That statistic is the percentage of guns THEY SENT BACK TO THE US FOR TESTING that actually came from the US. That is not a percentage of all guns used in crimes in Mexico. Obviously if they find a bunch of full auto AK's they know are from Guatemala, they aren't going to send them to the ATF for a trace.

They just hope that everyone has been distracted by other things and forgotten, so now they are sneaking their bullshit back in while we aren't looking. They know if they ignore facts long enough and keep saying something, the sheep will eventually believe it.

ETA Ok I lied I have plenty of time: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced –– and of those, 90 percent –– 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover –– were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

Link Posted: 12/14/2010 11:48:09 AM EST
[#11]
And everbody wonders why all the anchor babies, thats who to blame they're ferrying them back when they go to see grandma & grandpaw, the cartel leader.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 12:03:16 PM EST
[#12]
Mexico's problems are not our problems.

If they want to keep guns out they need to seal their own boarders. But they won't because they need the money from illegals in the USA.


So essentially "FU mexico"
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 2:48:05 PM EST
[#13]
They have been spouting this shit for years now.

In a way, they are partially correct.  Many gangbangers are using M16s either stolen from the army or given to them by corrupt military personnel.

Those are US made M16s given to the Mexican government by ours.

Of course, the media just skims over that and instead posts about all the full autos and hand grenades they they pick up at gun shows.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 5:25:51 PM EST
[#14]
Awesome, atleast the US economy is still exporting something...I was thinking nothing was made in America anymore
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 6:43:36 PM EST
[#15]
Quoted:
Yes. They come from the US, but were given by the US Government to the Mexican National Government for use in their drug control ten years ago. The corrupt state and local Mexican governments turned around and gave or sold the weapons to the drug cartels. The problem is the corruption in the state and local governments, not the US weapons being smuggled.

Regardless of your point of view, this still sounds like an excellent argument to seal the boarders and stop all trafficking both ways.


This &....

Quoted:
Isn't that the same statistic they used last time that ended up getting refuted? I don't have time right now to look up the articles, but you guys know what I'm talking about. That statistic is the percentage of guns THEY SENT BACK TO THE US FOR TESTING that actually came from the US. That is not a percentage of all guns used in crimes in Mexico. Obviously if they find a bunch of full auto AK's they know are from Guatemala, they aren't going to send them to the ATF for a trace.

They just hope that everyone has been distracted by other things and forgotten, so now they are sneaking their bullshit back in while we aren't looking. They know if they ignore facts long enough and keep saying something, the sheep will eventually believe it.

ETA Ok I lied I have plenty of time: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced –– and of those, 90 percent –– 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover –– were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.



This too...

(double tap just for for telsonman)

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