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Posted: 6/7/2018 2:24:53 PM EDT
What is this? Is it law or just a bill?

From Fox News:

Zero Hedge reported, “Assembly Bill 1668 is where it gets personal. This establishes limits on indoor water usage for every person in California and the amount allowed will decrease even further over the next 12 years. ‘The bill, until January 1, 2025, would establish 55 gallons per capita daily as the standard for indoor residential water use, beginning January 1, 2025, would establish the greater of 52.5 gallons per capita daily or a standard recommended by the department and the board as the standard for indoor residential water use, and beginning January 1, 2030, would establish the greater of 50 gallons per capita daily or a standard recommended by the department and the board as the standard for indoor residential water use …’”
Link Posted: 6/7/2018 10:21:59 PM EDT
Check out these two threads in GD from the last week or so...
Link Posted: 6/7/2018 11:38:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2018 12:01:52 AM EDT by Trollslayer]
General Discussion = more chaff than wheat and not worth my time for serious issues.

For me, 55 gallons per person per day would be a 75% reduction in my water use. We don't waste water, either.
Link Posted: 6/8/2018 11:28:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/8/2018 11:30:01 AM EDT by Trollslayer]
Although my water usage is four times this new standard, I am at my current water conservation goal. As I said, we do not waste water, at least not very much.

I think, and have thought this for a very long time, that California would do well to allow people to irrigate their ornamental gardens with effluent from washing machines and (possibly) showers. There is a concern about bacterial contamination but putting washing machine effluent into an ornamental garden should not be a problem.

I am talking about "grey water" not "brown water".

I would guess this reuse of waste water would save about 25-50% of my water use. However, it is currently illegal to do so.
Link Posted: 6/8/2018 1:17:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer:
Although my water usage is four times this new standard, I am at my current water conservation goal. As I said, we do not waste water, at least not very much.

I think, and have thought this for a very long time, that California would do well to allow people to irrigate their ornamental gardens with effluent from washing machines and (possibly) showers. There is a concern about bacterial contamination but putting washing machine effluent into an ornamental garden should not be a problem.

I am talking about "grey water" not "brown water".

I would guess this reuse of waste water would save about 25-50% of my water use. However, it is currently illegal to do so.
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Nor is it easily done. Rerouting shower and washing machine gray water ain't the easiest thing to do...
Link Posted: 6/8/2018 5:58:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski:
Nor is it easily done. Rerouting shower and washing machine gray water ain't the easiest thing to do...
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Because my home is on a raised foundation, it would actually be quite easy to do. All the drain and waste lines are readily accessible beneath the house.

I would want a hidden (buried) storage tank, so digging the hole would be the worst part of the work. The tanks are inexpensive. If the tanks fills, an overflow connection re-routes/diverts the excess back into the normal waster water path.

I can use an electric pump from the tank out into the irrigation system.

I have a large, very steep hillside that would use the waste water to maintain the sod and plants (it has no food crops). Those plants and trees ensure the stability of the hill during the winter rains, when they come.
Link Posted: 6/8/2018 10:20:56 PM EDT
You've given this some thought...
Link Posted: 6/9/2018 11:53:37 PM EDT
Wow just wow....

My sympathy to you guys in CA.
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 8:32:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2018 1:37:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2018 1:51:03 AM EDT
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Truth!

The emergency spillway needed to be at least as well made (or better) than the regular spillway because, if it was ever used, it would be an EMERGENCY!

California is FUCKED UP!
Link Posted: 6/12/2018 8:25:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2018 8:27:09 PM EDT by HDLS]
How will they know how many people are living in my home?

What if I’m renting out rooms or hosting “immigrants” or homeless?

What about water for pets?
Link Posted: 6/12/2018 9:58:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HDLS:
How will they know how many people are living in my home?
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These people are communists. They will already have a dossier on you and everyone in your home. If you want more than allowed via the last census, you will have to provide additional information regarding the residents.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:46:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HDLS:
How will they know how many people are living in my home?

What if I'm renting out rooms or hosting "immigrants" or homeless?

What about water for pets?
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How much water do we use per day and how about watering the outside.

I have a pool, this will get expensive

I like the idea of "renting" to immigrants, wondering what the rules are?
Link Posted: 7/3/2018 12:23:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/3/2018 12:25:09 PM EDT by Chaingun]
Got the water bill, did a rough calculation and with pool we are just under 55gal per day.

If this gets enacted there's going to be a lot of water stealing going on. Get ready park water spigots
Link Posted: 7/25/2018 12:27:28 AM EDT
So this was just discussed on a local radio station in my town with one of the higher up water authorities. The 55 per person per day breaks down like this. Currently it is only for indoor residential usage. Outdoor/ irrigation including pools are not effected by this bill..........yet. He said don’t be surprised in the near future that outdoor water getting a similar bill. He said he forsees a future of each house having two different meters, indoor and outdoor. Also he said any future landscaping plans you might have for your house that it would be a good idea to look into zero scaping or turf in your front yard. Was that a scare tactic answer, not sure. And then comes the question of “how do they know who lives in my house”. His answer: “this bill is more for the water districts/operators more than it is for the actual home owner. It will be up to the water companies to have an accurate census of its areas and then they will take the total area/ section/ ward whatever your area water usage is and divide it by 55. That answer should come out to the same as the census.” The question of fines came up. He was asked if the fines will be given to the residents? His answer was no, the fines will be accessed to the water companies. Then he was asked will the water companies be allowed to pass down the fines to the consumers. His answer to that: “we are not sure how that will play out yet”
Link Posted: 7/25/2018 9:43:48 PM EDT
What happens when you have guests stay in your home for a week or two, now your water use doubles.
Over your limit, pay a fine, and no more guests ?

I guess when they ask how many live in your home, double the number to be on the safe side.
Link Posted: 7/26/2018 4:33:40 PM EDT
You know , one would think ca is full do to rationing of power and water.

That should be our argument against IAs.
Link Posted: 7/26/2018 6:38:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Garand1911:
What happens when you have guests stay in your home for a week or two, now your water use doubles.
Over your limit, pay a fine, and no more guests ?

I guess when they ask how many live in your home, double the number to be on the safe side.
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Obviously BYOW or steal from the parks
Link Posted: 7/26/2018 7:20:17 PM EDT
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Can you imagine the day where instead of bringing flowers or beer or wine as a guest, you instead bring 10 gallons of water. Wtf is wrong with this state. I mean besides the obvious
Link Posted: 8/8/2018 6:58:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CaseyD35:
So this was just discussed on a local radio station in my town with one of the higher up water authorities. The 55 per person per day breaks down like this. Currently it is only for indoor residential usage. Outdoor/ irrigation including pools are not effected by this bill..........yet. He said don’t be surprised in the near future that outdoor water getting a similar bill. He said he forsees a future of each house having two different meters, indoor and outdoor. Also he said any future landscaping plans you might have for your house that it would be a good idea to look into zero scaping or turf in your front yard. Was that a scare tactic answer, not sure. And then comes the question of “how do they know who lives in my house”. His answer: “this bill is more for the water districts/operators more than it is for the actual home owner. It will be up to the water companies to have an accurate census of its areas and then they will take the total area/ section/ ward whatever your area water usage is and divide it by 55. That answer should come out to the same as the census.” The question of fines came up. He was asked if the fines will be given to the residents? His answer was no, the fines will be accessed to the water companies. Then he was asked will the water companies be allowed to pass down the fines to the consumers. His answer to that: “we are not sure how that will play out yet”
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Our politicians are such idiots. How do they expect to meter both onsite domestic and irrigation(in order to bill separately) when all they know about is their meter and that is it. There is nothing in the Cal plumbing code that requires you to to separately meter private water(anything past AHJ meter). I will make all my water "Irrigation water" if this actually comes to pass. It is nice being a utility contractor sometimes.
Link Posted: 8/9/2018 3:10:36 AM EDT
I am four times higher than the 55 gal/person/day goal. If I were able to recover every drop of grey and brown water for use in my garden, it would still not be enough to meet that goal.
Link Posted: 8/9/2018 11:07:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By KPog:
Our politicians are such idiots. How do they expect to meter both onsite domestic and irrigation(in order to bill separately) when all they know about is their meter and that is it. There is nothing in the Cal plumbing code that requires you to to separately meter private water(anything past AHJ meter). I will make all my water "Irrigation water" if this actually comes to pass. It is nice being a utility contractor sometimes.
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Originally Posted By KPog:
Originally Posted By CaseyD35:
So this was just discussed on a local radio station in my town with one of the higher up water authorities. The 55 per person per day breaks down like this. Currently it is only for indoor residential usage. Outdoor/ irrigation including pools are not effected by this bill..........yet. He said don’t be surprised in the near future that outdoor water getting a similar bill. He said he forsees a future of each house having two different meters, indoor and outdoor. Also he said any future landscaping plans you might have for your house that it would be a good idea to look into zero scaping or turf in your front yard. Was that a scare tactic answer, not sure. And then comes the question of “how do they know who lives in my house”. His answer: “this bill is more for the water districts/operators more than it is for the actual home owner. It will be up to the water companies to have an accurate census of its areas and then they will take the total area/ section/ ward whatever your area water usage is and divide it by 55. That answer should come out to the same as the census.” The question of fines came up. He was asked if the fines will be given to the residents? His answer was no, the fines will be accessed to the water companies. Then he was asked will the water companies be allowed to pass down the fines to the consumers. His answer to that: “we are not sure how that will play out yet”
Our politicians are such idiots. How do they expect to meter both onsite domestic and irrigation(in order to bill separately) when all they know about is their meter and that is it. There is nothing in the Cal plumbing code that requires you to to separately meter private water(anything past AHJ meter). I will make all my water "Irrigation water" if this actually comes to pass. It is nice being a utility contractor sometimes.
That is a typical BS dodge they use while the legislation is being promoted and discussed. It is intended to allay the fears and concerns most people will have with this restriction. It will NOT appear in the final legislation.

Do they intend a jobs program to install duplicate water meters in every user site the entire State?

Do they intend there to be no green lawns and gardens, no residential shade trees, no hillside erosion control plants in the entire State?

On the flip side of the coin, they are the single biggest wasters of water I have ever seen. Broken dams, broken water mains*, etc.

* I don't know if this is true, but I heard/read that reduced water consumption caused higher pressures in the water mains and contributed to many pipes bursting and subsequent massive losses of water. Seems far-fetched to me but that rumor is out there.
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