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Posted: 10/4/2004 7:32:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 2:41:42 AM EST by VA-gunnut]
It looks like we will be holding two seperate classes this year, if enough members are interested. A Phase I class that will indenticle to last years three day class ( 1 day pistol+2 day carbine) and a Phase II class ( 1 day pistol+2 day carbine) that is designed to build on the skills learned in last years class. The Phase II class will also be open to anybody with past tactical school expierence, but members who attended last years class will get first shot at the available slots. Both classes can have a maximum of 14 students. I asked Blackwater for all available dates in spring and fall 2005. This is an attempt to avoid the summer heat of last years class. To run both classes at the same time will will need both of Blackwaters carbine ranges, so there are only a few open dates. I have listed the available dates below. I will pass on any new info as its becomes available.

Available Dates For Coarses:
Spring:
April 13,14,15 2005.
May 4,5,6 2005.
Fall:
October 5,6,7 2005.
November 9,10,11 2005.


Edited to add: discussion on 2004 class:AfterActionReport
(va-gunnut)
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 8:10:21 PM EST
Kick ass! It doesn't matter to me when they are, just get a date selected so I can make sure to keep the schedule clear.

With a little luck I can do the phase I in the spring and the phase II in the fall.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:14:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 12:36:25 AM EST by Va_Dinger]
Phase I class - same as last year.

1.)Day One:
Welcome brief
Characteristics of the pistol
Fundamentals of shooting the pistol
Ammunition and ballistics
Load/Unload/Press check
Ready positions
Tactical/retention reload
Clearing malfunctions
Multiple shots on multiple targets
Speed reloads

(2.)Day two:
Characteristics of the carbine
Fundamentals of shooting the carbine rifle
Zeroing procedures
Load/Unload/Press check
Barrel sight relation
Ready positions
Tactical/retention reload
Clearing malfunctions
Facing movements
shooting positions

(3.)Day three:
Shooting around barricades
Shooting moving targets
Shooting moving targets around barricades
Adverse angles
Sight management drills
Shooting on the move
Pistol transition
Percision shooting
Shooting through different meduim

Equipment required:
Carbine rifle, sling, 4-6 mags, Carbine mag holder(tactical vest, harness, chest rig, etc.), weapon cleaning gear, Pistol, pistol holster, 3-5 pistol mags, pistol mag holder, eye+ear protection. Seasonal protective clothing depending on time of year for coarse. Coarse is held during any weather condition. Rain gear is suggested in any season.

Ammunition required:
600 rounds of pistol ammo per student.
1200 rounds of carbine ammo per student.

Phase II - Working on it
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 2:42:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 2:53:27 AM EST
I'm in for Phase II - October
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:10:34 AM EST
I would also prefer October.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:12:04 AM EST
I am very much interested in this for Next year (saving my Pennies).
What are the Costs for the Phase I looking like?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:18:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:19:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:47:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Ammunition required:
600 rounds of pistol ammo per student.
1200 rounds of carbine ammo per student.



Bring WAY more......



Especially pistol ammo

Sorry Shivan, I had to do it However, you are right. I went through 700 rounds of 9mm and at least 1300 of 5.56.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:49:54 AM EST
I'm in for Phase 1, whenever. If it can work out, I like Hoplophile's idea of doing phase 1 in the spring, phase 2 in the fall, allowing guys to catch up.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:51:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:06:14 AM EST
I'm in for Phase II - October.

For all of the Phase I guys, heed the advice on extra ammo. The course requirements should be considered MINIMUM quantities. We all burned through A LOT of ammo during the June course.

- Bill
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:33:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:38:18 AM EST
Would this be a 100 grit coarse or a rifle course?

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:41:45 AM EST
I'd probably be in for an April Phase I date.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:47:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hallmark_Ent:
Would this be a 100 grit coarse or a rifle course?






Good catch!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 8:48:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
There is one problem with doing it that way, there would only be 4 extra slots in the Phase II class, if everyone who attended in June comes back out.



True enough. I'll take whatever I can get.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:22:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 3:21:28 PM EST by thebomber]
April or May Phase one for me. Definite.

Bomber
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:38:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By PrivateJoker:
I am very much interested in this for Next year (saving my Pennies).
What are the Costs for the Phase I looking like?



The initial quote I just received from Blackwater is $675 per student, same as last year. Blackwater is raising there prices for 2005, but it looks like we started planing early enough to keep the 2004 prices.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:41:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By Subzero:
I'm in for Phase 1, whenever. If it can work out, I like Hoplophile's idea of doing phase 1 in the spring, phase 2 in the fall, allowing guys to catch up.



There is one problem with doing it that way, there would only be 4 extra slots in the Phase II class, if everyone who attended in June comes back out.



Since its so early in the planning I will ask about holding one Phase I class in the spring and two Phase II classes in the fall. That way more guys would be brought up to speed quickly. We could have one hell of a get together in the fall with two phase II classes running at the same time.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:50:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 2:34:28 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:46:05 PM EST
PHASE II- OCTOBER
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:48:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Since its so early in the planning I will ask about holding one Phase I class in the spring and two Phase II classes in the fall. That way more guys would be brought up to speed quickly. We could have one hell of a get together in the fall with two phase II classes running at the same time.

Now you're talking!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:58:13 PM EST
Phase II in October or November is good for me. A year away does suck, but it would probably be nicer if we aren't sweating to death.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:30:42 PM EST
Phase I in the spring looks good to me.

I'll know how it will shake out after this move is done.

TR
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:51:47 PM EST
For Phase 2

I could swing both, just means no days off this year for me from school. Right now I would prefer spring.

John

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:01:27 PM EST
Tag interested. I'd fly out for it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:37:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 5:41:39 PM EST by lonewolfman007]
2 for spring phase 1 and 2 for phase 2 in Oct. Just tell me where to sign and and send the money.We are there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:07:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 2:55:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By sjauch:
Phase II in October or November is good for me. A year away does suck, but it would probably be nicer if we aren't sweating to death.



A year away does have it's benefits, like saving up and paying in cash this time around, build a new rifle will take time too. It is well worth the wait and we'll probably get together a few times before then.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:56:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 4:58:39 PM EST by lonewolfman007]
Hey Va_ Dinger, THANK YOU for getting this together again.
When do you think you will be able to find out about 2, phase 2's in Oct. It would be really great to be able to get that. 28 friends doing what they love to do.
How much sweeter can it get.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:56:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Originally Posted By PrivateJoker:
I am very much interested in this for Next year (saving my Pennies).
What are the Costs for the Phase I looking like?



The initial quote I just received from Blackwater is $675 per student, same as last year. Blackwater is raising there prices for 2005, but it looks like we started planing early enough to keep the 2004 prices.



Good Deal! I want to be on the Phase One spring list (I gotta get the bug in the wife's ear now )
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 11:48:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By lonewolfman007:
Hey Va_ Dinger, THANK YOU for getting this together again.
When do you think you will be able to find out about 2, phase 2's in Oct. It would be really great to be able to get that. 28 friends doing what they love to do.
How much sweeter can it get.



I should know more in about a week.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 3:27:00 PM EST
Put me down for phase 1 in the spring. Sounds like a good time.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:00:27 PM EST
im intrested in at least the spring phase one and if i can afford it i am intested in Phase II. Where is this going to be Town and state?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:18:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:47:57 PM EST
when do you have to know by if we are going to attend?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:14:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 7:04:45 PM EST
I'm definitely interested in the Spring Phase I. I'm about 30 minutes from blackwater so it works out perfect for me. still in the process of building my first AR (just waiting on the lower), this will be perfect for me to get some good training with it.
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 7:18:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2004 7:19:54 PM EST by Va_Dinger]

Originally Posted By roscoe-p:
I'm definitely interested in the Spring Phase I. I'm about 30 minutes from blackwater so it works out perfect for me. still in the process of building my first AR (just waiting on the lower), this will be perfect for me to get some good training with it.



Sounds great.
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 7:22:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 2:20:03 AM EST by Va_Dinger]
Update (10/16/04) - still working on locking dates and range availability.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 6:45:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/17/2004 6:46:13 PM EST by Va_Dinger]
Okay guys, I need suggestions for the Phase II class. I would like to hear from the guys who attended this years class. What would you like to see covered this year in the phase II class? I will be speaking with Blackwater again tomorrow.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:04:11 AM EST
Low-light, and night shooting w/ pistol and rifle.
Maybe some close in handgun, like doing a quick draw and fire from waist level.
Unknown distance range.
Maybe some CQB type stuff, room clearing etc.
Weapon retention

5 days instead of 3
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:24:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Since its so early in the planning I will ask about holding one Phase I class in the spring and two Phase II classes in the fall. That way more guys would be brought up to speed quickly. We could have one hell of a get together in the fall with two phase II classes running at the same time.



I like the sound of this! April and Oct sound great to me, but whatever the group decides.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 4:42:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:06:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 3:19:43 AM EST
Wow Rob that is a nice list you came up with.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:22:03 AM EST
later the better for me , but I am in again
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:25:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
Here are a few of the things I've already passed along to dinger.

I also brought up the idea of doing some room clearing excercises. Paul has told me that Blackwater will not allow any live fire in the shoot houses until we want to do a phase 3 class. I figured even if we could do some dry runs through rooms on the the third day, just to prepare for a phase 3 class would be great. I think some force on force time with simunitions would be great too.




Denfinately, some dry runs.
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