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Posted: 9/14/2004 12:59:03 PM EST
From an online article on the website of the Riverside Press Enterprise today:

"The only effect it (the expiration of the Fed ban) has now (in California) is that gun owners now can buy 15-bullet magazines instead of 10-bullet magazines and bring them into California, Haynes said."


WTF? Did I miss something?

According to Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta, we can go get 15-round magazines and bring them into the state. Well, I'm leaving tonight, 'cause Ray Hanes said it was OK!

www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_assault14.a0e64.html
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 1:08:05 PM EST
I think not. They don't know what they preach. Never did, never will.

Plus, I need more 30s for my AR, I'll even settle for 20s.

15s for my Beretta, I have plenty of.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 4:53:44 PM EST
Cool
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 5:01:19 PM EST
That guys is a freaking idiot. Do 2 seconds worth of research before you open your big mouth.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:05:31 PM EST
I like Ray Haynes. I just contacted him with some questions about AB-50

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MONDAY MORNING MEMORANDUM
By Assemblyman Ray Haynes
September 13, 2004

The Duty Of The People

The American Revolution began over tax abuses. The colonists decried taxation without representation, saying that whenever a government abused its taxing power "...it is [the people's] right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security."

Indeed, the recall momentum can be traced to the illegal increase of the car tax by Governor Davis, an act so abusive that people returned to that great American tradition of peaceful revolution to remove, for the first time in California history, a sitting governor.

Not long ago, I visited the town of Perugia in Italy. On the wall above the dais of the Town Council of Perugia is a metal instrument with Etruscan writing on it, commemorating the elimination of a tax by the then King of Perugia in the third century before Christ. 2400 years ago, this Etruscan king eliminated a tax, and they are still celebrating the fact in Italy. The historical evidence is clear, whenever a government respects its citizens with fair and honest tax laws and burdens, the leaders of that government are celebrated. Whenever those leaders become abusive of that power, they are removed from office, either peaceably or otherwise.

Which makes the recent actions of the California Franchise Tax Board
(FTB) disturbing. Since the inception of our current income tax system, it has been voluntary in the sense that you fill out your own tax forms, calculate the tax you owe, and then send it in. If the government doesn't agree with you they can dispute it through the audit process.

FTB wants to change that. The board has tried to take over the on-line tax preparation business through legislation for the last several years. FTB has tried to pass legislation that would require you to use a computer tax program they prepared if you want to file your taxes over the computer. Right now, several companies offer relatively inexpensive programs that help you prepare your taxes, ask you questions to aid you in taking deductions, and then calculate the tax. This system maintains the benefits of the voluntary compliance system, where private companies profit from aggressively helping you keep your taxes as low as possible.

FTB has tried to put them out of business. The FTB has claimed that they could increase tax revenue by billions of dollars if they did your taxes for you with their program. The legislature previously balked on these attempts. But, two weeks ago, under cover of the press of business in the legislature, FTB was successful in getting a bill passed that creates a "voluntary" tax preparation program. If you file the Form 540EZ, the FTB will prepare your taxes for you, and send you the refund if you are owed one, or send you a bill if you owe. If you don't like it, you have to appeal.

It is the first step to a complete government takeover of the entire tax-preparation business. Think about it-if there is a question about whether you deserve a deduction, do you think a government tax collector is going to give you the benefit of the doubt, like your accountant or tax-preparer does now? Of course not. That revenue agent is going to say you don't deserve the deduction, and, if you don't like it, you can appeal. These tax agents expect to increase the tax revenue by billions of dollars without one change in the tax law.

It is an abuse worthy of King George. It is not a stamp or tea tax, but it will prove just as onerous. But we can fight it by choosing not to participate. If you get their notice, say thanks, but no thanks. Until then I would recommend that you write and complain about what they are trying to do, all under the guise of making our life "easier". It is the duty of the people to keep a wary eye on how their government works. Maybe, just maybe, those bureaucrats will change their minds.

Link Posted: 9/14/2004 11:02:16 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:06:20 AM EST
Obviously, you cannot legally bring a 15-round magazine into CA. This just goes to show you how confusing and stupid the whole situation is. Even the politicians don't know what's legal and illegal.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:14:37 AM EST
I'm under the impression that if you owned magazines PRIOR to the 10-round
limit, you may keep them.

So who's to say that you didn't own that 30 round mag prior to the ban?

I guess if the mag has a date of mfg and the date it was made was AFTER
the 10-round limit, "You're busted!"

Am I correct?

Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:36:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By lonewolf223:
I'm under the impression that if you owned magazines PRIOR to the 10-round
limit, you may keep them.

So who's to say that you didn't own that 30 round mag prior to the ban?

I guess if the mag has a date of mfg and the date it was made was AFTER
the 10-round limit, "You're busted!"

Am I correct?



Generally magazines have no markings that can prove date of manufacture.

The only way to prove you violated the ban on importing or manufacturing them would be to catch you in the act, say driving in from Nevada with new mags and a receipt in your hand.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 7:01:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By California_Kid:

Originally Posted By lonewolf223:
I'm under the impression that if you owned magazines PRIOR to the 10-round
limit, you may keep them.

So who's to say that you didn't own that 30 round mag prior to the ban?

I guess if the mag has a date of mfg and the date it was made was AFTER
the 10-round limit, "You're busted!"

Am I correct?



Generally magazines have no markings that can prove date of manufacture.

The only way to prove you violated the ban on importing or manufacturing them would be to catch you in the act, say driving in from Nevada with new mags and a receipt in your hand.



Call the CA DOJ and they'll tell you it's YOU who is responsible to PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE and PROVE that you owned the mags before the ban. I called BS, how can the government say guilty until proven innocent? He acted like _I_ was the mistaken one here.. almost as if CA DOJ operates how it wants, when it wants and knows the CA courts will usually back up whatever they do or atleast turn a blind eye *cough* CA DOJ taking legally owned Rob-arms M96's *cough*, *cough* CA DOJ trying to put a couple in prison for years for having 10 tracer rounds, to cover up embarrassement that they didn't find what they were really looking for *cough*.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:12:09 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:52:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By New_Pup_101:

Plus, I need more 30s for my AR, I'll even settle for 20s.





I prefer the 20s. Great for shooting prone.
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