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Posted: 12/31/2013 6:03:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2013 6:03:59 PM EST by 34ID11B]
PDQ Ambi Bolt Release

Hmmmm......
Wondering.
Concern of course would be weakening of the receiver, but I am thinking that while the lower on it's own might be weaker, when supported by the upper it'd probably be OK.
Might have to try one.

What do y'alls think?

It appears as if the HK416A5 has some sort of something similar.
Link Posted: 12/31/2013 6:32:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By 34ID11B:.

What do y'alls think?
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That you need a centralized thread for your AR build





I'm not really caught up with all the ambi-control stuff... Seems like a big selling point for the overly tactical crowd. I've played around shooting left handed and never had an issue with my reloads YMMV.
Link Posted: 12/31/2013 6:35:24 PM EST
I think you need a kick in the nuts, so there.
Likely won't actually spend the money on it, but curious.

Now, post some of that shit-talk you were making about booger.
pppphhhhhttttt.
Link Posted: 12/31/2013 6:57:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 34ID11B:
I think you need a kick in the nuts, so there.
Likely won't actually spend the money on it, but curious.

Now, post some of that shit-talk you were making about booger.
pppphhhhhttttt.
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I love it when you talk dirty


I'd never shit talk booger, he's good people... Unlike you
Link Posted: 12/31/2013 7:03:01 PM EST
Shouldn't a young guy like yourself be out partying on New Year's Eve?
Oh, what, your life sucks as much as mine.
HA! BITCH!
Link Posted: 12/31/2013 7:11:01 PM EST
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Shouldn't a young guy like yourself be out partying on New Year's Eve?
Oh, what, your life sucks as much as mine.
HA! BITCH!
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We'll if you'd pay attention to my Facebook posts, you'd know that I worked 15 hours and have to work in the morning

I'd rather be making money than being out tonight spending it.... Plus I'm thinking about making my brother go pick me up some more beer. The 6er wasn't enough.
Link Posted: 1/1/2014 2:41:48 AM EST
As cool as that product looks I just don't see the advantage why not spend $25 at any local gun shop and buy the magpul one you won't have to mod your receiver also
Link Posted: 1/1/2014 6:48:17 AM EST
I have two Magpul B.A.D levers sitting in my parts bin.

The way I see it, unless you're going to set up ALL of your AR's that way, it just creates confusion when you need/want to run the platform.

I'll send you one to try if you like, just PM me your address. If you like it, I'll make you a hell of a deal, if not, send it back.
Link Posted: 1/1/2014 8:18:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SamW:
I have two Magpul B.A.D levers sitting in my parts bin.

 The way I see it, unless you're going to set up ALL of your AR's that way, it just creates confusion when you need/want to run the platform.

I'll send you one to try if you like, just PM me your address. If you like it, I'll make you a hell of a deal, if not, send it back.
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Agree totally with the bold part!  I've gone as far as putting the same trigger in every gun as well.  I'm lefty and I've found that using my trigger finger to release the bolt after a bolt lock reload works very well for me.  The only ambi part I use is an ambi safety.  I use my thumb to switch to "fire" and my trigger finger to switch back to "safe".

Here is video of me from last summer using the techniques I mentioned...This is in no way a claim that it is the correct method as I am only a civilian shooter it is for entertainment purposes only...lol
Shooting drill

Link Posted: 1/1/2014 12:19:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JoelAC89:
I'm not really caught up with all the ambi-control stuff... Seems like a big selling point for the overly tactical crowd. I've played around shooting left handed and never had an issue with my reloads YMMV.
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Don't get too caught up thinking of stuff like this as "ambidextrous."  Simply not the case.  This particular product (and some others like so-called "ambi" charging handles) have benefits for right handed shooters.

Due to the design of the AR, locking the bolt open to clear a malfunction is overly complicated.  The "army way" is to grasp the magwell with your left hand while depressing the bolt catch with your thumb, and use your right hand over the top of the gun to open the action.  Note that can be difficult to do this with the rifle fully shouldered, depending on whether you use a standard non-extended charging handle and your optic setup.

An ambi charging handle will let you easily keep the gun shouldered, because you no longer have to reach the latch on the opposite side of the gun.  My Rainier Raptors have me awfully spoiled in this regard, and I find myself grasping for a latch that isn't there like a 'tard on my AR that doesn't have one.

The PDQ, BAD, and other modernized rifles will let you keep the gun shouldered as well as keep your firing hand in place, since you use your right hand to activate the bolt catch while you use your left hand to manipulate a standard charging handle.

I tried a BAD once, and found that it wasn't worth the malfunctions it can cause.  A failure to lock back on empty is a bigger problem in my book than a complicated malfunction clearing procedure - empty mags happen a lot more than double and triple feeds (unless you use crap magazines.)

I would be wary of the PDQ for the same reason, although it possibly has the advantage over the BAD due to reduced weight/inertia.  My guess on the reason why the BAD and other similar devices cause malfs is down to the added weight.  While the magazine spring is strong enough to engage the bolt catch with the added weight when you're manipulating the gun manually, there is too much inertial for the spring to overcome when the system is operating at full speed after firing a shot.  This same issue could plague the PDQ and I don't want to hack up a receiver to find out.  Note that the pic posted of HK's take on the same idea utilizes a much thinner right-hand control.  I would have to guess they did that to keep the added weight/inertia down.

Nevermind that the standard M16/M4 has worked just fine for decades in combat, and we're all trying to give these rifles features they simply weren't designed for.  Ambi charging handles, IMO, don't increase  the odds of a malfunction happening but they do introduce training scars when you get spoiled like I have.
Link Posted: 1/1/2014 6:07:57 PM EST
If all your rifles have an item, its not a training scar, its just how to operate your rifles.
Link Posted: 1/1/2014 9:07:11 PM EST
I use these on all my rifles and they have a ar10 version as well.  Similar to the magpul bad, but much nicer quality and all one piece so no screws to come loose.

phase 5 tactical
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If all your rifles have an item, its not a training scar, its just how to operate your rifles.
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True enough but I've failed at that first bit.  $75/ea is a hard pill to swallow.  If the price went back down to $50 or so (what my first one cost) I'd probably do it.  As it is now, I have three Raptors (two AR15 and one AR10) and two BCM non-ambi.  At some point, you gotta stop spending money on charging handles.
Link Posted: 1/2/2014 6:04:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SamW:
I have two Magpul B.A.D levers sitting in my parts bin.
The way I see it, unless you're going to set up ALL of your AR's that way, it just creates confusion when you need/want to run the platform.
I'll send you one to try if you like, just PM me your address. If you like it, I'll make you a hell of a deal, if not, send it back.
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Would you be interested in a trade?
I have an ambi safety that I just don't really care for; the lever on the right hand side hits my hand.
Not sure what brand it is but I bought it from the Gander Mountain in Dayton, OH and it was in a Brownells bag.
Link Posted: 1/3/2014 5:02:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2014 5:03:03 AM EST by SamW]
Will send PM shortly.
Link Posted: 1/3/2014 4:22:27 PM EST
Cool.
Link Posted: 1/3/2014 4:33:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 34ID11B:
Cool.
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Greg, you have never been cool!
Link Posted: 1/3/2014 8:02:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts:


Greg, you have never been cool!
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Originally Posted By 34ID11B:
Cool.


Greg, you have never been cool!

Glad I'm not the only one to think that...
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