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Posted: 1/25/2013 12:53:30 PM EDT
Local guy has a gen 3 Glock model 20sf for $500. Comes with the box and 2 mags.

I've always kind of wanted a hand cannon, but am I nutty for wanting to expand my caliber cache with this relative ammo shortage going on?
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 12:57:06 PM EDT
Buy it they are fun.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:00:04 PM EDT
you'll shoot you fucking eye out kid. don't do it.

have him PM me though....
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:22:00 PM EDT
Get it already.

Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:39:24 PM EDT
Alright you bastards. Just what I needed to hear.

Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:43:32 PM EDT
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:44:08 PM EDT
What, you kidding? If you're a 10mm, 45 GAP or .357 SIG shooter, you're shittin' in tall cotton right now.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:45:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
What, you kidding? If you're a 10mm, 45 GAP or .357 SIG shooter, you're shittin' in tall cotton right now.


This was my thought. You couldn't beg, borrow, or steal 9mm. You can find all the 10mm you want locally.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 1:48:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ISED8U:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
What, you kidding? If you're a 10mm, 45 GAP or .357 SIG shooter, you're shittin' in tall cotton right now.


This was my thought. You couldn't beg, borrow, or steal 9mm. You can find all the 10mm you want locally.


And run out of 10mm ammo? Buy a .40 or .357 barrel for it.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 2:10:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TeeRex:
Buy it they are fun.


Yep.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 3:15:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2013 3:21:44 PM EDT by Gelgoog]
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

Link Posted: 1/25/2013 3:22:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2013 2:27:39 AM EDT by BallisticTip]
Yes it is a 6 inch KKM barrel, legal to hunt with in Ohio.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 4:01:00 PM EDT
10mm is best millimeter
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 4:09:41 PM EDT
No I will not talk you out of a 10mm. Get it.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 4:22:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/n8656k/10mmSigMauserM2.jpg


Tell me more about that gun. Capacity, cost, size comparison vs a G17 or G19?

Link Posted: 1/25/2013 6:18:37 PM EDT
I will not talk you out of getting something awesome
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 9:49:18 PM EDT
I might try to talk you out of a giant block of a firearm (Glock) but I wouldn't try to talk you out of a 10mm.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 11:44:52 PM EDT
Its stupid.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 11:46:43 PM EDT
It's awesome. And to reloaders it's not overly expensive either.
Link Posted: 1/25/2013 11:57:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MarcW:
It's awesome. And to reloaders it's not overly expensive either.


Amen... just don't lose your brass!
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 12:16:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/n8656k/10mmSigMauserM2.jpg

I remember reading about the Mauser m2 in .45. I had no idea they made a 10!
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 1:29:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WantsAnRRA:
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/n8656k/10mmSigMauserM2.jpg

I remember reading about the Mauser m2 in .45. I had no idea they made a 10!

They don't. The .40 is just easily convertible to 10mm because it's a large frame.
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 9:08:50 AM EDT
Go get it. 10MM are fun. Plus a barrel change to 40 cal is great to have.
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 5:15:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR18:
Go get it. 10MM are fun. Plus a barrel change to 40 cal is great to have.



This. GET IT!

Link Posted: 1/26/2013 6:03:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


This is what the internet is for, sir. I've never had issues buying 10mm ammo, either practice or carry.
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 6:10:13 PM EDT
Cost and availability of ammo!
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 11:40:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pat701:
Cost and availability of ammo!


Nah, ammo is easy. Right now it's cost and availability of reloading components.
Link Posted: 1/26/2013 11:49:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2013 11:51:48 PM EDT by nathan408]
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


+ 1 and I wouldn't call a 10 mm a hand cannon, the 40 S&W is known as a light 10. The 40 S&W shoots the same bullets and the 40 ammo is easier to find.
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 4:42:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


This is what the internet is for, sir. I've never had issues buying 10mm ammo, either practice or carry.


I've been having problems finding it. "Sold out" and "out of stock" are the inventory status I've seen way too much of...

I haven't been out shooting mine as getting replacement ammo seems to be an issue. I hate to use it all up and not have anything left.
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 5:04:43 AM EDT
sgammo has PPU in stock for 20/box. its weak but cheap
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 9:45:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BlueMR2:
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


This is what the internet is for, sir. I've never had issues buying 10mm ammo, either practice or carry.


I've been having problems finding it. "Sold out" and "out of stock" are the inventory status I've seen way too much of...

I haven't been out shooting mine as getting replacement ammo seems to be an issue. I hate to use it all up and not have anything left.


Reloading maybe?
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 12:12:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
Reloading maybe?


I don't trust myself enough to reload. Outside of my safety comfort zone.

Link Posted: 1/27/2013 1:07:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BlueMR2:
Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
Reloading maybe?


I don't trust myself enough to reload. Outside of my safety comfort zone.



Its easier than loading a magazine. Pick up EVERY 10mm case you find then, save em for later. Educate yourself.
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 1:17:53 PM EDT
I bought a 10 mm Friday. You should get one too. Mine was a colt though.
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 1:26:43 PM EDT
I wish I could talk you out of it, but I've been wanting to pick up a Glock 29 for a little while, although I'd settle for a Glock 20. I say if the price is right, buy it.

If I don't have the willpower to stop myself, how am I going to stop you? LOL
Link Posted: 1/27/2013 3:27:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WantsAnRRA:
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/n8656k/10mmSigMauserM2.jpg

I remember reading about the Mauser m2 in .45. I had no idea they made a 10!


They did not. When they made them in .40, they simple used the same frame as the .45 and only changed the slide and barrel while putting a spacer in the mags. This means it has a .45 acp magwell that gives you the extra space for the long 10mm cases, and all you have to do is have the barrel throated and take out the spacer in the mags and wala a 10mm. It might have been a cost saving measure to use the .45 frame but it inadvertedly made it the easiest 10mm conversion out there, and with the over engineered nature of the Mauser M2 means that it is tough enough to handle even the hottest 10mm loads, while its thick rotating barrel means it soaks up the recoil (feels like a regular .40), and is dead nuts accurate. Plus you can get plenty of cheap trigger time on the gun by having a spare .40 barrel you can drop in and practice with.

I would say it is roughly the size of a Glock 26. 10 round mags.

Link Posted: 1/28/2013 8:03:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/n8656k/10mmSigMauserM2.jpg


Holy crap! Is that a rechamber job? I've only ever seen one in .45!
Link Posted: 1/28/2013 8:18:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tenmikemike:
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Get it already.

http://flhrider.com/Webfiles/pics/G20.JPG


Is it just me or does your pistol have a chubby?

If you want someone to dissuade you, then I am not your man.

Nothing beats a compact 10mm that weights about the same as a glock but shooters much softer and is more accurate, and can switch between 40 and 10mm without any mods besides a simple barrel change.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/n8656k/10mmSigMauserM2.jpg


Holy crap! Is that a rechamber job? I've only ever seen one in .45!


If you buy the .40 S&W model all you have to do is ream out the barrel, nothing else has to be done. The gun is already stronger then just about any other 10mm platform on the market (think ruger P-series on steroids).
Mauser could not have set out to build a better 10mm even if they wanted to. A 10mm that you are willing to carry and carries well sure beats a 10lb brink that gets left at home.
Link Posted: 1/28/2013 11:20:54 PM EDT
I sure wish there was another readily available option in 10mm apart from the Glock (although, I'm NOT trying to get that old argument started again).
Link Posted: 1/29/2013 6:21:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nathan408:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


+ 1 and I wouldn't call a 10 mm a hand cannon, the 40 S&W is known as a light 10. The 40 S&W shoots the same bullets and the 40 ammo is easier to find.


That's like saying .38 spl is just a "light" .357 mag.

Originally Posted By Will_Power:
I sure wish there was another readily available option in 10mm apart from the Glock (although, I'm NOT trying to get that old argument started again).


There is: EAA Witness. I strongly recommend avoiding the Wonderfinish models as those seem to have problems with the slide cracking. The match, elite, etc have better triggers anyway. I have the standard model polymer and have shot some seriously hot loads through mine and have no signs of a crack yet. It's also recommended to replace the recoil spring with a Wolff 22 lb.


You probably shouldn't get into 10mm unless you've got money to piss away on ammo or you reload. If you reload, it really isn't any more expensive than any other pistol and defensive ammo is about the same cost too. The greatest strength of 10mm in my opinion, is the versatility it offers. You can load 165 gr Gold Dots at 1,400 fps for a really flat shooting and effective personal defense/urban carry load and with just a change of magazine have 220 gr hard cast at 1,200 fps for large animal defense. Available bullets range from 135 gr to 230 gr.
Link Posted: 1/29/2013 7:36:02 AM EDT
I kinda want one too. I have never fired a 10mm, been around someone who has one, nor even finger-fucked one at the LGS, but I am intrigued by it.
Link Posted: 1/30/2013 5:44:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2013 5:51:36 PM EDT by SDGlock23]

Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Originally Posted By nathan408:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


+ 1 and I wouldn't call a 10 mm a hand cannon, the 40 S&W is known as a light 10. The 40 S&W shoots the same bullets and the 40 ammo is easier to find.


That's like saying .38 spl is just a "light" .357 mag.


You probably shouldn't get into 10mm unless you've got money to piss away on ammo or you reload. If you reload, it really isn't any more expensive than any other pistol and defensive ammo is about the same cost too. The greatest strength of 10mm in my opinion, is the versatility it offers. You can load 165 gr Gold Dots at 1,400 fps for a really flat shooting and effective personal defense/urban carry load and with just a change of magazine have 220 gr hard cast at 1,200 fps for large animal defense. Available bullets range from 135 gr to 230 gr.

Comparing the 40/10mm to the 38/357 Mag is a poor choice. If the 10mm operated at almost twice the pressure as the .40 then it would be an accurate comparison, but it doesn't.

I would agree that unless one reloads they should stay away from the 10mm, but with ammo these days (or the lack thereof), that can be said of any cartridge just about. I'd disagree that it's as cheap to reload for than the 9/40/45. I don't know about you, but I can pick up free 9/40/45 brass any day of the week. 10mm? Not so much, I've reloaded for years and probably haven't picked up 100 pcs of 10mm brass total compared to literally hundreds of pounds of 9/.40/.45.

Can't really argue that the 10mm is versatile, it is, but the .40 can shoot every bullet the 10mm can. And yes I loaded for the 10mm for years (to Underwood levels and beyond) but I found the .40 to be so close to the 10mm when loaded warm that it's not worth the extra cost to load for, the .40 brass is free and stronger too. The 10mm is a good cartridge though, even if it is a wee bit over-hyped by some (you know, the uneducated 10mm is a .41 Magnum kind of guys).

BTW Underwood makes good ammo, but they use over book max charges of 800x for the 10mm, I've weighed them. I'm not saying that's completely wrong, but I am saying that it's over pressure. Too often people defending the 10mm tell others to buy "real" or "warm" 10mm ammo, which more often than not is also over pressure.
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 12:14:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SDGlock23:

Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Originally Posted By nathan408:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Pain to find ammo. And if they get there way and no more online orderds is be sol on 10mm here.


+ 1 and I wouldn't call a 10 mm a hand cannon, the 40 S&W is known as a light 10. The 40 S&W shoots the same bullets and the 40 ammo is easier to find.


That's like saying .38 spl is just a "light" .357 mag.


You probably shouldn't get into 10mm unless you've got money to piss away on ammo or you reload. If you reload, it really isn't any more expensive than any other pistol and defensive ammo is about the same cost too. The greatest strength of 10mm in my opinion, is the versatility it offers. You can load 165 gr Gold Dots at 1,400 fps for a really flat shooting and effective personal defense/urban carry load and with just a change of magazine have 220 gr hard cast at 1,200 fps for large animal defense. Available bullets range from 135 gr to 230 gr.

Comparing the 40/10mm to the 38/357 Mag is a poor choice. If the 10mm operated at almost twice the pressure as the .40 then it would be an accurate comparison, but it doesn't.

I would agree that unless one reloads they should stay away from the 10mm, but with ammo these days (or the lack thereof), that can be said of any cartridge just about. I'd disagree that it's as cheap to reload for than the 9/40/45. I don't know about you, but I can pick up free 9/40/45 brass any day of the week. 10mm? Not so much, I've reloaded for years and probably haven't picked up 100 pcs of 10mm brass total compared to literally hundreds of pounds of 9/.40/.45.

Can't really argue that the 10mm is versatile, it is, but the .40 can shoot every bullet the 10mm can. And yes I loaded for the 10mm for years (to Underwood levels and beyond) but I found the .40 to be so close to the 10mm when loaded warm that it's not worth the extra cost to load for, the .40 brass is free and stronger too. The 10mm is a good cartridge though, even if it is a wee bit over-hyped by some (you know, the uneducated 10mm is a .41 Magnum kind of guys).

BTW Underwood makes good ammo, but they use over book max charges of 800x for the 10mm, I've weighed them. I'm not saying that's completely wrong, but I am saying that it's over pressure. Too often people defending the 10mm tell others to buy "real" or "warm" 10mm ammo, which more often than not is also over pressure.


I think the 10mm is a really cool round. However, I enjoy the 40 caliber much better. Ammo is cheaper and much more available than 10mm and has less recoil. The 40 has enough power for what I do which is ccw. If and when I feel the need for more power I use the good old .45acp in 1911 flavor. OP, if you have the cash to spend, want to get into reloading too, then by all means get the 10mm and have fun. I'm not going to talk you out of a 10mm.
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 12:51:11 PM EDT
If you don't want it, I'll take it. My g-20 needs a friend.

TXL
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 1:04:48 PM EDT

Do it. That's a great price IMO. Just do it. Eat ramen for the next month.
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 1:38:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SDGlock23:
I'd disagree that it's as cheap to reload for than the 9/40/45. I don't know about you, but I can pick up free 9/40/45 brass any day of the week. 10mm? Not so much, I've reloaded for years and probably haven't picked up 100 pcs of 10mm brass total compared to literally hundreds of pounds of 9/.40/.45.

By the time my cases need to be replaced I've reloaded them so many times that the cost per shot is close to zero.

the .40 can shoot every bullet the 10mm can.

That's just plain false.
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 1:59:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MarcW:
Originally Posted By SDGlock23:

the .40 can shoot every bullet the 10mm can.

That's just plain false.


how so?
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 2:27:52 PM EDT
I just got one for $500 w/3 mags and glock night sights. Less than 2 years old.
Link Posted: 1/31/2013 2:28:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pat701:
Cost and availability of ammo!


Prvi 10mm is cheap.
Link Posted: 2/1/2013 9:38:25 AM EDT
$$$$$ Ammo
Link Posted: 2/1/2013 10:04:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BigRedDog:
Originally Posted By MarcW:
Originally Posted By SDGlock23:

the .40 can shoot every bullet the 10mm can.

That's just plain false.


how so?

Because the longer case obviously can accept a longer bullet and still leave room for powder. 180 grain deep cavity hollow points or 200 grain FMJ is about the most you can safely fit in a .40, whereas 10mm has no problems with 200 grain hollow points and cast bullets up to 230 grains.
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