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Posted: 10/5/2007 8:51:02 PM EDT

Ok so a buddy and I are having a debate on how Sig Sauer is actually pronounced...is it sig (Sour) or Sig (Sayer)? or something else entirely?

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:52:42 PM EDT

[#1]

Sour

Posted: 10/5/2007 8:56:15 PM EDT

[#2]

/\

What he said.

...and for the next question...

it is Heckler and coke (Hoch)

Posted: 10/9/2007 9:46:40 AM EDT

[#3]

There may be some regional dialects, but I generally say SIG Sauer like this: "Cig Sow-er".

As I understand German, SIG in German is pronounced like "Seeg", like "seek" with a "g" sound at the end.

As for HK, Heckler in German is still Heckler, but Koch is pronounced like "cough" without the "f" sound at the end, or "Heckler and Cou". There is no "k" sound at the end of German words. In English, "Koch" is pronounced like "coke".

Posted: 10/10/2007 7:00:12 PM EDT

[#4]

nice...
Bill

Posted: 10/11/2007 9:50:19 AM EDT

[#5]

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As for HK, Heckler in German is still Heckler, but Koch is pronounced like "cough" without the "f" sound at the end, or "Heckler and Cou". There is no "k" sound at the end of German words. In English, "Koch" is pronounced like "coke".

Wrong. The German "ch" here is a guttural sound, and is not ignored as you make it out to be (saying "cou"[sic] is leaving off the "ch" entirely). Additionally, German words can (and do) end in a "k" sound; z.B., krank u. Kleiderschrank.

People need to stop trying to approximate sounds in different languages which have no analog to one another. There is no English equivalent to the "ch" in German.

The correct way to pronounce it is "Heckler und Koch". If you can't pronounce the German, stick to "HK" or "H&K".

And anyone who speaks either English or German who honestly has problems pronouncing "Sauer" seriosuly needs to work on their speech skills. (Considering English adopted - among others - the German word "Sauerkraut", you should be able to get a reasonable pronounciation down without a problem)

Posted: 10/11/2007 10:17:37 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As for HK, Heckler in German is still Heckler, but Koch is pronounced like "cough" without the "f" sound at the end, or "Heckler and Cou". There is no "k" sound at the end of German words. In English, "Koch" is pronounced like "coke".

Wrong. The German "ch" here is a guttural sound, and is not ignored as you make it out to be (saying "cou"[sic] is leaving off the "ch" entirely). Additionally, German words can (and do) end in a "k" sound; z.B., krank u. Kleiderschrank.

People need to stop trying to approximate sounds in different languages which have no analog to one another. There is no English equivalent to the "ch" in German.

The correct way to pronounce it is "Heckler und Koch". If you can't pronounce the German, stick to "HK" or "H&K".

And anyone who speaks either English or German who honestly has problems pronouncing "Sauer" seriosuly needs to work on their speech skills. (Considering English adopted - among others - the German word "Sauerkraut", you should be able to get a reasonable pronounciation down without a problem)

Exactly. Thank you.

Posted: 10/11/2007 12:52:04 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As for HK, Heckler in German is still Heckler, but Koch is pronounced like "cough" without the "f" sound at the end, or "Heckler and Cou". There is no "k" sound at the end of German words. In English, "Koch" is pronounced like "coke".

Wrong. The German "ch" here is a guttural sound, and is not ignored as you make it out to be (saying "cou"[sic] is leaving off the "ch" entirely). Additionally, German words can (and do) end in a "k" sound; z.B., krank u. Kleiderschrank.

People need to stop trying to approximate sounds in different languages which have no analog to one another. There is no English equivalent to the "ch" in German.

The correct way to pronounce it is "Heckler und Koch". If you can't pronounce the German, stick to "HK" or "H&K".

And anyone who speaks either English or German who honestly has problems pronouncing "Sauer" seriosuly needs to work on their speech skills. (Considering English adopted - among others - the German word "Sauerkraut", you should be able to get a reasonable pronounciation down without a problem)

Please accept my apology for butchering the German language so badly. The above rule I was trying to describe was told to me by someone who speaks fluent German. I have even heard Germans pronounce "Koch" in the manner I described.

Because I seem to have been so far off the mark, please describe for us Great Unwashed how to pronounce "Koch" in German with the proper accent and emphasis. It is not pronounced "coke" in German. If you can't do that, maybe you should work on your people skills. It would be a shame for someone with your intellect not to share your knowledge with the rest of us. Have a nice day.

Posted: 10/11/2007 1:38:44 PM EDT

[#8]

as Walkure said, there is no real analgous pronunciation in English to the 'ch' in 'Koch'. on the surface, the pronunciation is basically a softer version of a gargle or clearing of the throat. a little more airy without quite as much emphasis on the 'c' as there is on the 'h'. the pronunciation uses the back/middle of the tongue on the roof of the mouth to partially cut off the air passage of the sound to cause a kind of a saliva-laden vibration.

think of pronouncing it like the English 'ch' construction (as in 'chart'), but use the middle or back of the tongue as opposed to the tip of the tongue, and pronounce it more softly. think of it almost like a soft 'k'.

that's about as simply as i can describe it.

and if you really want to get down to it, please say 'H and K' instead of 'HK'. it's more proper.

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