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Posted: 7/19/2008 1:44:12 PM EDT
and couldn't afford a kimber , springfield,or para ord. what options does that leave?

or should i look for a high power clone to fit the steel gun void?

any ideas? i know lama made one. i wish i woulda got one of the surplus star bm's way back when.

thanks
2D2C
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 1:49:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 1:51:22 PM EDT by 22LR]
hi cap, low cap, no cap?

new, used?

you say you want a 1911, but then will settle for a BHP. 1911 = BHP ?????

cant afford is what? how much?
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:06:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22LR:
hi cap, low cap, no cap?

new, used?

you say you want a 1911, but then will settle for a BHP. 1911 = BHP ?????

cant afford is what? how much?


Settle? The Browning is one great pistol , it's not settling or compromising at all IMO.

-JC
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:08:35 PM EDT
Para-Ordinance 18-9 (I think is the model number)...hi-cap 9mm 1911
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:28:37 PM EDT
If you're not willing to spend the extra cash, get a .45.

The 1911 was not designed for the 9x19mm round. Switching a 1911 to 9mm is not a simple swap, with differences in both frame and slide components, all requiring extensive tuning. 1911s in 9x19 have a significant reputation for being extremely finicky without work. 9mm 1911s are also less in demand, further increasing their prices. The only signifcant demands in 9mm are competition guns (a la STI and others) and carry pieces (a la Springfield's EMP). There simply isn't a big enough market to try to put together a run-of-the-mill 9mm 1911; the only options are going to be on the higher end of the spectrum.

Contrast this with the .45s, where you can get an excellent, accurate, dead-reliable pistol for $600. It's just that the demand is there.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:31:45 PM EDT
i would prefer single stack and used. i guess my price range would be $300-$400.

i have:
glock 26
ruger p95
walther p1

and i am considering a steel framed, single action in my existing caliber.

it's looking like a star bm would fit the bill. they are running $250 and up on gb.

whatever happened to the armscorp 9mm? i read about them a few yrs ago but never saw one for sale.

thanks
2D2C
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:54:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 2:56:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2DARK2C:
i would prefer single stack and used. i guess my price range would be $300-$400.

i have:
glock 26
ruger p95
walther p1

and i am considering a steel framed, single action in my existing caliber.

it's looking like a star bm would fit the bill. they are running $250 and up on gb.

whatever happened to the armscorp 9mm? i read about them a few yrs ago but never saw one for sale.

thanks
2D2C


with your price range, it will limit you and you are aware of it.

you can try looking for LLAMAs. i dont have one so dont know about how reliable they are. I do want their 22LR version tho.

If you were willing to spend a couple hundred more, i have seen used Colt 1991A1 in that area, but not often.

good luck in your search.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 3:24:00 PM EDT
If you just want a single-stack 9mm on the cheap, get a P6. They're still to be found at very affordable prices. And it's a friggin SIG for goodness sake.

Keep in mind, though, that almost all of your options (including the P6) are NOT steel-framed. Most are aluminum-alloy frames. The CZ (in the standard 75/75B variant) is one of the few that is all-steel.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 5:00:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2DARK2C:
and couldn't afford a kimber , springfield,or para ord. what options does that leave?

or should i look for a high power clone to fit the steel gun void?

any ideas? i know lama made one. i wish i woulda got one of the surplus star bm's way back when.

thanks
2D2C


Blasphemy. God JMB never meant for the 1911 to be made in any caliber other than .45. That includes 10mm.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 7:12:49 PM EDT
Look for a used BHP, or a clone. Much better idea than the 1911 platform bent to 9mm.


Link Posted: 7/19/2008 10:05:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 10:06:30 PM EDT by PA452]

Originally Posted By Walkure:
The 1911 was not designed for the 9x19mm round. Switching a 1911 to 9mm is not a simple swap, with differences in both frame and slide components, all requiring extensive tuning. 1911s in 9x19 have a significant reputation for being extremely finicky without work.


My experience supports this. I had a Kimber Pro-Carry II in 9mm a while back and sold it. It was more than just finicky, it was downright unreliable.

In the end, I decided I like my CZs a lot better anyway. In fact, I seem to come to that conclusion with most all handguns.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:20:56 AM EDT
thanks for all the insight.

2D2C
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:21:57 PM EDT
Rock Island Armory is rumored to be introducing a 9mm later this year. Their other entry level 1911s seem to get good reviews.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 2:01:46 PM EDT
In that price range I would shop around for a used Springfield.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 5:14:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hunter0924:
In that price range I would shop around for a used Springfield.


That is how I ended up with a 9mm 1911. Too cheap to pass up. Good gun too, especially after I converted it to 9x23 with a ramped barrel. Working on smoothing it out and polishing out the pitting.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:40:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Retic:

Blasphemy. God JMB never meant for the 1911 to be made in any caliber other than .45. That includes 10mm.


Kind of funny, b/c JMB originally designed it for a caliber similar to 38 super, not 45 acp. The 45 came later, during his bid for a military contract.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 12:55:47 PM EDT
In that price range, I would look for a Star.

ranburr
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 3:42:11 PM EDT
In your price range, you'll probably need to consider used (or very used).

I have a Springfield Loaded Target, stainless steel, in 9mm. It's one of only two 1911's that I've owned that has never had a single problem. I would highly recomend the Springfield 9mm 1911. However I bought mine brand new 3-4 years ago for a LOT more than your price range.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 7:25:32 PM EDT
quit being cheap!!!! try a CZ they rock for the price!!! and way more accurate Than a BHP...Just my Opinion....only bad thing is price of factory mags
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