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Posted: 2/19/2006 4:10:30 PM EDT
I would like to get into the 1911 pistols. I am tired of these plastic poly pos pistols. I have had experience with one 1911 frame, but with the way I shoot the barrel wore down in no time. It was a Norinco 1911 that I had bought new for $332 and no tax. I had the choice between a springfield and the Norinco. The springfield was only about $60 more bucks, I bought the norinco. I regret my decision every day. I would like to get back into a 1911 but I have a limited budget so no kimbers, para's, or les baer. I would like your two cents. Please.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:22:05 PM EDT
Check out Springfield's "GI" model. They can be had for 4-500 bucks, sometimes less if you look hard enough.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:29:45 PM EDT
clasky, i have actually handled one. they are great feeling but i was kind of thinking about the taurus 1911.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:30:27 PM EDT
does anyone know about the new taurus 1911's
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:35:13 PM EDT
Springfield "mil-spec" 1911, not the GI model.

I think so highly of it I use it as my carry gun about 1/2 the time.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:37:43 PM EDT
I bought a Charles Daley 1911, and thought I was getting a good deal, but the slide stop comes out after one 6-8rds, I have a larger slide stop on order, and hopefully it will fix the problem. I don't know if this is a common problem with the CD 1911s or not, but it shoots well when it shoots, and they are cheap.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:40:51 PM EDT
what about rock river arms 1911's

I have herd nothing but good about their ar15's
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:42:54 PM EDT
I think the RRs are on the high side though
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:45:16 PM EDT
i've saw one at the local gun show for about $350 nib
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:57:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 4:59:10 PM EDT by rizzo1318]
RRA's Basic Carry is a good choice, but I thought they were a little more expensive. I have had a few different 1911s, from Colts to Kimbers, Springfields to Paras, and for an inexpensive 1911 that handles well and shoots well, I would go Springfield. I use a Springfield GI Champion for my truck gun and have never had any problems with it.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:00:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
what about rock river arms 1911's

I have herd nothing but good about their ar15's



If Kimber is over your budget, forget RRA.
The Springfield Mil-spec is probably your best bet.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:00:36 PM EDT
And make sure you don't confuse Rock River Arms with Rock Island Armory. Two totally different animals - the RIA should be around $300. RRA probably double that.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:00:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
i've saw one at the local gun show for about $350 nib

A RR?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:06:45 PM EDT
o sh*t my misteak i mean rock island
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:08:11 PM EDT
so how about those ria's any good or are they a pos
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:20:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
so how about those ria's any good or are they a pos



They guy who runs Adco says he's sold about 2 dozen with no complaints.

Says they're a pretty good gun, for the money.

I've seen many other supporting comments from RIA owners. You are probably pretty safe with one. I don't own one, but they seem pretty solid to me.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:20:07 PM EDT
thanks for the insight guys
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:25:32 PM EDT
The thing of it is, for the $350 or so to get an RIA, for about a hundred more, you could get a Springfield. Hell, I'd sell you my Springfield GI if you're interested.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:29:55 PM EDT
Wee've had three (now four-I think) threads on the RIA's here in the last two weeks. The Smiths and "guru's" generaly refer to them as poorly made or POS type guns. The owners seem split, but many really seem to like them. Keep in mind the term "for the money" comes up often.

Research the first two pages or so of this forum and you'll find more.

As far as "for the money" goes, the Springfield Armory Mil Spec may be the best deal going. (This is slightly different than the GI model, also a great buy.... for the differences here, see Hobbs informative post on the Springfield board).

You've already been sorry you went cheap once. Are you wanting to do it again? The Norinco's were generally considered a decent gun at a good buy. The Springfield is better. The RIA isn't.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:35:22 PM EDT
for a starter, the RIA wouldn't be a bad choice, if you wanted to learn to do mods on a 1911 it would be a great starter, or keep the basic GI looks...it's a decent pistol, i like mine, my Kimber shoots better, you can tell a difference, but for a 1911 to knock around, abuse and shoot the hell out of it, you can't go wrong. you will definitely get your moneys worth out of it.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:05:57 PM EDT
Can't go wrong with the Springer.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:44:11 PM EDT
Yeah, keep in mind that any advice I hear about the RIAs is usually also followed by, "You get what you pay for."

Prsonally, I can get Springfield GIs around here for around $429. For the price difference, I'd probably go with the Springfield. (Granted, when faced with that choice, I opted for a Colt model 80 that the same shop had for $500)

The RIAs look and feel 'OK' but the Springfield is nicer and, IMO, worth the price difference.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:14:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 9:17:01 PM EDT by thphilli]
If I were you, I would try and pick up a Sistema Colt Modelo 1927. It is a Colt, either military or police issue, produced in Argentina on Colt equipment, by Colt trained workers. Colt licenced their 1911A1 design to Argentina to produce in 1927. I picked mine up for 425. It accepts anything an original Colt 1911A1 does, because it is an EXACT copy of it. They shoot great and I have not read anything negative about them. They are getting hard to find though, which I figure means they will be worth more shortly. If you want a gun with a warranty, then go with the springfield. I disliked greatly the flat black finish on the springfield, and loved the shiny black finish that the Sistema has.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 7:55:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 7:57:03 AM EDT by skpp108]
There is a new Hi Standard 1911 GI style out now too. Don't really know anything about it except from what I just read on m1911.org, and that is its a Phillipine made deal with the usual admonitions of you get what you pay for. I'd go with the Springfield GI, or try to find a deal on something used-

PS- i think the HS retails for mid to high $300. I just saw one at Gander Mountain but I can't remember-
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 8:01:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
The springfield was only about $60 more bucks, I bought the norinco. I regret my decision every day.




WHY? Norincos came with the hard chromed barrel, and the frames/slides have a pretty good reputation.

Aside from them being a commie built gun, I've never heard bad about them.

My Norinco is the most reliable 1911 I have. I'm curious what problems you had with yours.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 11:03:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 1:20:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
The springfield was only about $60 more bucks, I bought the norinco. I regret my decision every day.




WHY? Norincos came with the hard chromed barrel, and the frames/slides have a pretty good reputation.

Aside from them being a commie built gun, I've never heard bad about them.

My Norinco is the most reliable 1911 I have. I'm curious what problems you had with yours.




+1 Bought one as my first 1911 (a less common nickel plated one at that) and I sold it, because I bought into the "cheap" and Commie hype. Commie, yes, but cheap no. I regret selling it every day.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:56:32 PM EDT
Yeah! That's what I'm talking about. Those things are running at a premium of their original price!
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:05:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clasky:
Check out Springfield's "GI" model. They can be had for 4-500 bucks, sometimes less if you look hard enough.





+1.

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Link Posted: 2/22/2006 5:12:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
I have had experience with one 1911 frame, but with the way I shoot the barrel wore down in no time.



Whay way do you shoot? What do you mean by the barrel wearing down?
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:21:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
I have had experience with one 1911 frame, but with the way I shoot the barrel wore down in no time.



Whay way do you shoot? What do you mean by the barrel wearing down?



1911 barrels don't last forever. My Colt 1991-A1 original barrel lasted about 8 or 9 thousand rounds. It is still completely functional, but shooting quarter sized objects from 10 yards away is a thing of the past.

You can just watch the accuracy drop off once you start getting in that 10k round count range.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:23:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sta1treeman:
I bought a Charles Daley 1911, and thought I was getting a good deal, but the slide stop comes out after one 6-8rds, I have a larger slide stop on order, and hopefully it will fix the problem. I don't know if this is a common problem with the CD 1911s or not, but it shoots well when it shoots, and they are cheap.



I have two CD 1911s, and never had any problem with either one.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:26:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Trumpet:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By cqbgod:
The springfield was only about $60 more bucks, I bought the norinco. I regret my decision every day.




WHY? Norincos came with the hard chromed barrel, and the frames/slides have a pretty good reputation.

Aside from them being a commie built gun, I've never heard bad about them.

My Norinco is the most reliable 1911 I have. I'm curious what problems you had with yours.




+1 Bought one as my first 1911 (a less common nickel plated one at that) and I sold it, because I bought into the "cheap" and Commie hype. Commie, yes, but cheap no. I regret selling it every day.



Same here my Norinco Comander is a darn good gun .

I'd say Springfield nowadays
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:32:22 AM EDT
I've got five Norinco 1911's. One's a Commander and the other four are Government Models. Yeah, the overall quality varies from gun to gun but they are all serviceable pistols.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:35:13 AM EDT
SA GI model
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:36:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 7:39:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 7:40:02 AM EDT by Winston_Wolf]
... Is that "cheap beginners (comma) 1911" or "cheap (comma) beginners 1911"
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 8:03:28 AM EDT
For the money spent you cannot beat a Mil Spec Springfield......forget about all the others you are mentioning and just get the Springfield.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 8:28:39 AM EDT
If you were to hold out for a used Norinco , you can shoot cheap Wolf Type ammo . Chromed chamber and tube . I dont feel the least bit bad about doing it .
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 8:30:48 AM EDT
Here's something I just heard from a guy at Quantico Arms. I have a flyer from them and they have the Springfield GI model on sale for $402.00, which is an unbelievable price. So I give them a call and the guy says they are sold out of this model, of course.

Now the bad news, according to the salesman, is that Springfield's next batch of WWII models will be shipped with a flap holster and will be about $100.00 more than they do now.

If this is true, now is probably the time to buy a GI model if you can find one. I know Sportsman’s Warehouse has been out of stock on these pistols for awhile.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 8:42:20 AM EDT



Originally Posted By markm:

You can just watch the accuracy drop off once you start getting in that 10k round count range.



Thats not cool. Could be barrel fit. They should last longer.


Originally Posted By cqbgod:
clasky, i have actually handled one. they are great feeling but i was kind of thinking about the taurus 1911.



Skip the Taurus. Skip the RIA. Get the Springfield.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 8:54:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:


Originally Posted By markm:

You can just watch the accuracy drop off once you start getting in that 10k round count range.



Thats not cool. Could be barrel fit. They should last longer.




Hmmm... one of the 1911 gunsmiths said I was lucky to get the 8-9k that I did get out of it. Barrel fit is fine. It shoots as accurate as a Glock right now and is still totally functional, but I was just spoiled on being able to "drive tacks" with the thing.

One of these days I'll get around to having a match barrel fitted for it.

I've never understood why they all don't run chromed barrels. I love that about my Norinco.


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