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Posted: 8/17/2004 11:54:30 AM EST
Are the Glock .45's know for kabooms or just the .40's. I've been giving the Glock 36 some serious thought but if it is prone to failure I will probably pickup a Springfield Armory .45 instead. Currently I own a Glock 26 and it has been a fantastic gun.


Thanks in advance.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 12:27:27 PM EST
Nasty rumors. Both the .45 and .40 Glocks are safe. The kBs that everyone refers to are people that were shooting reloads in their Glocks and got a round with a double charge. I have owned both the .40 and .45 Glocks. Both were safe as safe could be.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 12:37:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/17/2004 12:41:59 PM EST by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 12:38:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 1:40:12 PM EST
Steve @ ADCO has a G21 with over 100K through it and most of it reloads. Go figure.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 4:02:46 PM EST
Holy shit......the pics in those links are amazing. I need to give this some more thought.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 11:04:32 PM EST
Give me any brand and I will come up with pics and a story about how bad of a pistol they are.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 11:08:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 11:52:25 PM EST
I believe the only time Glocks explode is when crappy ammo is used
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:29:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:44:44 AM EST
scary isn't it
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:16:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By twonami:
I believe the only time Glocks explode is when crappy ammo is used



is hornady XTP crappy ammo?

is federal hydrashock crappy ammo?

45's have blown with both.

mike



But who knows what was shot in the gun before it blew up on that good ammo. Some earlier bad ammo could have weakened the chamber.

Look, all I am saying is that any gun company will have its detractors. Ipersonally have it out for Springfield Armory. Is my hating on SA unfair. Oh, for sure! I think Glock seems to have more vocal detractors, due to the popularity of the Glock. I have owned several Glocks in a multitude of calibers. I never once worried about a kB!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:33:37 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:25:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 1:28:52 PM EST by twonami]
Aren't there also a heck of a lot more Glocks than SA .45 in civilian service work. The other problem is also dirty guns, my friend who is a NYC cop says most cops he knows don't keep their weapons clean and some should be ashamed at the shape some of their pistols are in.
Being a relative newby in the world of guns I thought I just throw out what I do know. I always keep my guns clean and try to only shoot well manufactured ammo. I do have a Ruger P94DC chambered for .40 but I've never owned a .45 but I would like to own one soon.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:28:43 PM EST


Who wants my piece of shit !!!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:39:56 PM EST
I know a guy who's daughter had a Glock 22 (.40 S&W) "Kaboom" in her hands.

No injury except for a little numbness and stinging for a few days.....

Factory Winchester ammo (Don't remember the bullet type, though...)

(I own 2 Glocks: M21 and M17. I've shot about 1500-2500 rounds through them: all lead hard-cast reloads. NEVER a problem....)



Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:47:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
my g30 kb'd on factory ammo. Pretty much got a big FU from glocks customer service department. Wouldn't own another one if it was given to me.

look here
gun zone

this was mine
www.thegunzone.com/glock/g30kb.html

mike


Quoting from the article..."Very few lead rounds were fired."
>LEAD<---HELLO----
GLOCK-23
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:13:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Give me any brand and I will come up with pics and a story about how bad of a pistol they are.



OK.............. ED BROWN.




I'm still WAITING!!!!




apples and oranges


how many guns does ed crank out a year?

how much do ed's guns cost?

i agree this is a little worrisome, but ALL the MAJOR manufacturers go kaboom now and then.

actually, kaboom was the 1st thing that went through my mind when i took a g37 apart. those chamber walls are friggin thin. with a higher pressure round than an acp, a bunch of those are gonna blow up.

assuming glock sells any.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:15:38 PM EST
I'm skeptical about this, does anyone have figures on how often this happens? I have 2 Glock 21's and a Glock 36 and have never had any problems that weren't ammo related. The Philadelphia police carry Glock 22's and I talked to someone in their arms room and he's never heard if this happening. I've also heard complaints about every MAJOR gun manufacture and their custumer service. Nothing new. And I'm not a hard core Glock person. I love all my handguns.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:52:49 PM EST
I personally have shot 3000 rounds of lead reloads through my G19. Another friend has approx 100,000 rounds of almost all lead through his G21. As long as you shoot good quality hardcast bullets there is absolutely nothing wrong with lead ammo in a Glock.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 5:09:19 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 7:22:22 PM EST
Now I'm getting nervous cause I have about 500 rounds of Cabelas .40 remanufactured ammo left that shot great the other day.
I have put 100 rounds through my Glock 35 with not a single problem and another 200 rounds through my Ruger P94 with an occasional jam, should I dump the rest of the ammo or just use it in my Ruger?
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 4:55:18 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/19/2004 6:42:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Give me any brand and I will come up with pics and a story about how bad of a pistol they are.



Try it with Sig P220. Lots of them out there.

Good luck

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 4:13:45 PM EST
How few(lead) rounds were fired?
Enough to have caused a weakness in the chamber before you cleaned it.
Not arguing.Just want all the info I can get.
In the .40s,is it a certain bullet weight or brands of ammo?...165s,180s./Federal,Honaday...
Has a study been compiled on these factors?It would be interesting to see if there is a pattern.
My brother ,who is a retired police officer,said they had a 9mm kb at the range.It was determined that it was the ammo and according to him the ammo maker coughed up some cash.Don't know who the ammo maker was.
I like my Glock for carry because of it's simplicity.It's ready when I'm not.
GLOCK-23
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 4:29:41 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/20/2004 7:21:41 PM EST
All I can say is wow....I have several thousand rounds through my 30 without a hitch. A firearms instructor that I know has well over 50K through his 21. Have they been able to give any info out about possibly running down the problems???
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 7:36:48 PM EST
Portland OR police bureau is de-authorizing the Glock 21 due to KB's. I'm sure you can find info on a google search it's been in the local newspaper and tv news a couple times.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:14:51 PM EST
They had 2 kb's now they're switching to 9mm.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 4:02:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Let me ask again. How many glocks have blown with after market barrells? That should tell them something.



There was a post on Glocktalk a few months ago where a poster had a KB with a KKF barrel. I tried searching but couldn't find his post but I remember seeing the pics. The caliber was a .40 and he WAS shooting reloads. He believed the cause was a double-charge,

Link Posted: 8/21/2004 4:09:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By u-baddog:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Give me any brand and I will come up with pics and a story about how bad of a pistol they are.



Try it with Sig P220. Lots of them out there.

Good luck




I don't have pics 'cause it was several years ago, but my friend had a P220 that wouldn't function for shit. Tried two gunsmiths and the Sig factory. Nothing helped.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 1:17:02 PM EST
Any gun with bad ammo will KB....


J
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 2:29:09 PM EST
WOW!!!!!!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 2:34:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 2:50:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Aim4MyHead:
Any gun with bad ammo will KB....
img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/jrhack79/hkKB.jpg

J


Holy shit and ouch. Anyone seen a steel frame M1911 KB? I'd like to see a pic, I've never heard of it but inevitably someone has...??
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:36:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:41:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Aim4MyHead:
Any gun with bad ammo will KB....
img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/jrhack79/hkKB.jpg

J



HOLY KABOOMING HKs BATMAN!!!! Geeze....
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:49:44 PM EST
Does the owner of that HK still have a hand?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 5:13:55 PM EST


The gun had about 100 or so hard cast alloy rounds. AFter i found it might be an issue i had the gun professionally cleaned to insure any deposits had been removed. These were LOW pressure target rounds uning about 4.2 gr of hp38 under a 185gr bullett. VERY light.



I must have missed something somewhere. Last account I had, the ammo was factory. Now they are reloaded, low pressure target rounds - or were these the lead rounds you were shooting prior to the 'incident' with factory ammo?

Who does professional cleaning and is this a service you always use?

Randy
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:19:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By mikepenn33:
They had 2 kb's now they're switching to 9mm.



2 kb's?

Did they say what caused them? How big of a department is this?
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 3:36:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 3:39:53 AM EST by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:51:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By twonami:
Now I'm getting nervous cause I have about 500 rounds of Cabelas .40 remanufactured ammo left that shot great the other day.
I have put 100 rounds through my Glock 35 with not a single problem and another 200 rounds through my Ruger P94 with an occasional jam, should I dump the rest of the ammo or just use it in my Ruger?



Which model you got? The P-series will eat any ammo you can find.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:52:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By u-baddog:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Give me any brand and I will come up with pics and a story about how bad of a pistol they are.



Try it with Sig P220. Lots of them out there.

Good luck




How about the Ruger P90 in .45 or the P91/P944 in .40 cal? Show some pics and stories on those.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:55:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

Originally Posted By u-baddog:

Originally Posted By Spartan24:
Give me any brand and I will come up with pics and a story about how bad of a pistol they are.



Try it with Sig P220. Lots of them out there.

Good luck




I don't have pics 'cause it was several years ago, but my friend had a P220 that wouldn't function for shit. Tried two gunsmiths and the Sig factory. Nothing helped.



But, to relate to the question at hand, did it blow up?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:36:53 AM EST
I think most of the KBs come from Glocks that fire slightly out of battery. Don't reload, keep it clean....damn clean, don't chamber the same round more than two times, and check the function of your weapon often and you'll be fine. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with a Glock (and I'm an HK guy).

A switch to 9mm from .45 or .40 is crazy. LEOs left 9mm and .38 special for a reason. The only reason you shoot at someone is to stop them quickly. I don't think a center mass 9mm round has that ability. If they don't trust Glock in anything larger than 9mm, it's time to find a new brand.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:08:17 AM EST
Agreed
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:08:03 PM EST
Kool Aid anyone?
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 10:37:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 10:43:19 PM EST by AR15fan]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
my g30 kb'd on factory ammo. Pretty much got a big FU from glocks customer service department. Wouldn't own another one if it was given to me.

look here
gun zone

this was mine
www.thegunzone.com/glock/g30kb.html

mike



Interesting. You admitted, but glossed over the use of lead ammo. Then admit that 1) you were not present for the kB, and 2) the shooter that actually had the kB doesnt even know what kind of ammo he was using, or if it were standard pressure or (+P).

KB's happen, for sure. I'm just not sure what causes them. one thing that i know will cause them is a severly leaded brl, or overpressure 40SW ammo loaded with too short an OAL. which can occur with factory ammo through administrative handling.
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