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Posted: 10/19/2001 9:52:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 3:58:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 5:00:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/19/2001 4:55:09 PM EDT by cpermd]
CorBon 200 +P.
Kills pigs very well.
Link Posted: 10/19/2001 5:37:34 PM EDT
From everything I have looked at the 185gr. +P's are the way to go.

If you like those silly 45's anyway.
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 8:53:42 AM EDT
I use the +P 230 gr. Cor-Bons. Might try the Rem. Golden Sabers too. Never heard any complaints... yet...
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 9:01:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/20/2001 10:23:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2001 12:24:18 PM EDT
+P HydraShok
Link Posted: 10/23/2001 2:35:26 PM EDT
Hydrashock or 6gr Unique behind 225gr LTC.
230 gr FMJ works better than most people think.
Link Posted: 10/26/2001 10:05:29 PM EDT
I keep Hydrashocks loaded, but like Bearlaker said, bet that 230 grain FMJ would hurt like all hell.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 6:57:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2001 6:52:10 AM EDT by BKVic]
Ive read a couple of articals on records kept by the FBI on handgun shootings and they say that a good .380 hollowpoint does more damage then .45 hardball. But I bet it still would hurt like hell!


BKVic
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 8:49:51 AM EDT
I disagree with the FBincineration.
Consider mass.
Special Forces, I have read(in gun rag"American Handgunner"), use Olin Corp. Match Hardball.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 10:54:13 AM EDT
While I was at Thunder Ranch, this topic came up. Most of the instructors believe that 230 gr. FMJ ammo is the best in a 1911.

It feeds well, ejects well, and is battle proven. If it is good enough for Clint Smith, it is good enough for me.

I now keep Federal AE .45's in my home defence pistols.

Live Free
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 12:11:31 PM EDT
The only reason the military sticks with ball ammo is because they are required to by treaty. I forget the name of it but it governs this type thing.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 2:16:39 PM EDT
NATO treaty.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 4:24:26 PM EDT
Geneva convention?
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 5:20:29 PM EDT
Corbon 230 gr JHP +P.......After all it's YOUR ASS your betting on.
Link Posted: 10/27/2001 6:51:29 PM EDT
My personal rule of thumb is...

4" or less barrel = 200gr +P
4" or more barrel = 230gr

I keep 200gr +P GoldDots in my carry gun.

Bradd
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 4:53:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fishman_P97DC:
Geneva convention?



Yeah, that's it.
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 4:43:19 AM EDT
http://www.pistolsmith.com

Look in the pass the ammunition section.

David DiFalbio has done an excellent job in testing multiple .45 ACP bullets in various weights and JHP configurations. His favorite (and now mine) is the Win Ranger Talon, not to be confused with their SXT line. My previous favorite was Federal's HS but with David's testing the famed Hydrashok design did NOT expand as often as promised. He has pictures. The Ranger Talon looks absolutely UGLY when expanded. Check it out, it's good reading.
Link Posted: 11/14/2001 10:11:33 AM EDT
Speer Gold Dots 230 grain. The only way to go.
Link Posted: 11/14/2001 11:42:25 AM EDT
"The only reason the military sticks with ball ammo is because they are required to by treaty. I forget the name of it but it governs this type thing."

The Hague (The Geneva Convention deals mainly with treatment of prisoners).


Link Posted: 11/22/2001 8:34:43 PM EDT
The Law of Armed Conflict is the treaty that states you can only use ball ammunition in war. Us military folks have to get briefed on it every year.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 1:00:46 PM EDT
The Hague convention prohibited the use of hollow point, "dum-dum", or ammo designed to create inhumane damage. If I recall correctly the US didn't sign the Hague treaty but still abides by it.

I carry Speer 200gr GD +P ammo in my steel Commander but the fmj stuff probably does all we mere mortals require.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 9:53:37 AM EDT
I carry Hydrashok in both of my .45s

Jamie
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:52:22 PM EDT
Like Wave said..."winter is coming" and as Mr. Ayoob pointed out "a hollow point becomes a roundnose in heavy clothing". Also Wave, check lube for cold weather use. I was showing a Springfield to a potential buyer and it took a long time to get the slide to rack, from a cold car to a warm room...maybe the freezer would simulate conditons? I leave the firing pin dry in sub freezing temperatures. The best ammo in the world is useless in a "frozen" firearm. In your line of work, dangerous. Out in the cold too long, you dont need any surprises. 2 cents, well spent, I hope.
Link Posted: 11/25/2001 4:55:23 AM EDT
Not all HP's are rendered ineffective by heavy clothing. You have to find the ones that expand ever after heavy clothes. I used to work in our Sheriffs office property & evidence section. I have seen lots of bullets recoved from human bodies and there are quite a few that have been said to be ineffective when in real life they are. 230 gr .45 Hydra shoks do work in flesh. The only ones i avoid are the ones that fragment really bad (lightweight[165] +P). I have tested 100's of rounds myself and compared them to what I have seen in real life shootings. In .45 in a 4 inch or better barrell, 230, 200, or 200 +P. In a smaller barrell, 185 or 185 +P. I have found the Remington Golden Sabres work extremely well, even after heavy clothes. And yes, the old 230 Black Talon, aka Ranger Talon, are awesome. OUt of a 4 inch or longer barrell, 230 Golden Sabres or Black Talons are almost identical in their performance. I have 230 Ranger Talons in my Sig P220 and 230 Golden Sabres in my 1911.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 5:07:27 PM EDT
easy answer: Evan Marshall's data from actual police shooting shows the Fed 230 hydroshock to be the BEST one shot drop round in an auto pistol. Next best was the Rem Golden Sabre. Best round overall was the Rem/Fed 125 grn JHP .357, though.
230 Hydroshocks sits in my sig 220.
Link Posted: 12/22/2001 7:13:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By anothergene:
Mr. Ayoob pointed out "a hollow point becomes a roundnose in heavy clothing".



Masaad Ayoob says a lot of things.

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