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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:58:18 PM EDT
It seems 9mm has obviously resurged, bigger than ever. .45 will always be around.  .40 is cheaper than I've ever seen right now.  I wonder if it will stick around with any popularity long term.  

What once made the .40 popular has now been narrowed with ammo  advancements.  IMO

What do you guys think?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:02:59 PM EDT
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You're not gonna get the limited guys to shoot production, so there's always that...
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why would they do that?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:09:28 PM EDT
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NTSA

You have people who will stick with 40 for several reasons... to expensive to buy a new firearm, believe it fits them better, believe it is better, and LE departments that already are committed.

Who cares what caliber people choose all service caliber pistol rounds are pea shooters and suck for stopping power.  I hope 40 sticks around and drops in price because options are great to have.  Next panic 40 and 357 will be everywhere and 9 will be impossible to find.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:10:43 PM EDT
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I'd shoot Limited minor before Production. Keeping 87 magazines on your belt sucks.

40 may be the unpopular cartridge these days, but it isn't going to die off completely. Too many guns out there.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:12:03 PM EDT
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If 10mm hasn't died, 40 is not likely to die anytime soon.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:17:32 PM EDT
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The .40 will always be available, or available as long as we are still using brass cased handgun ammunition.

It takes a lot for a cartridge to actually go away.  For example, the .41 Magnum is still here, though its original reason for being has been mostly forgotten.

I still shoot my 9x23mm Winchester pistol, now there is an unsuccessful cartridge, at least in terms of sales.

Cartridges some times even come back from the grave.  Look at the .44-40,  and .44 Russian, for example.

You might not be able to shoot a .40 cheap in the future, but you will be able to shoot it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:27:21 PM EDT
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I have both, .40 and 9MM CZ's.  I regularly carry the .40 P07.  I can't leave something that shoots groups like that with those kick ass 135 grain hollow points at home.

Thirteen rounds in a Compact is pretty darned good, in my opinion.

And, I'm old enough to have been working, carrying, shooting the first time "they" said a 9MM was equal to a .45 acp.  Back in the early 80's when the "new" bullets made the 9mm the best carry gun in the world.  All the "science" proved it.  Computer modeling, shooting bullets into clay/ballistic media, interviews with emergency room/trauma doctors.  And I'm old enough to remember how that turned out and resulted in the 10mm and then the .40 S&W.

Who knows.  Maybe "they" got it right this time.  At least they keep trying.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 6:56:52 PM EDT
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"Next panic 40 and 357 will be everywhere and 9 will be impossible to find."
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:24:16 PM EDT
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.40 is dying, it will end like the .41 and 10mm 

ps... 6.8 spc is dying too...

deal with it it 
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:42:28 PM EDT
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My HK USPc .40 shoots too well to ever let it go, plus having that third round around covers all ammo shortage basis.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:48:16 PM EDT
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If .40 becomes so unpopular that it gets cheaper than 9mm ammo, you damn well better believe I am grabbing one of those ~$300 G22's that are out there.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 7:57:02 PM EDT
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.40 S&W uber alles!
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:16:27 PM EDT
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I like 40 and intend to keep one around for a long time to come. I reload all my calibers so ammo availability doesn't bother me but I expect it will be on the shelves in the coming decades for sure.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:26:33 PM EDT
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I live in the country with a lot of gun people.  Most don't use the internet to search FBI testing of handgun rounds.  They still think .45>.40>9mm.  I feel this is probably common across the country.  And I still carry my G23.4 most often because I feel it best suits my situation.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:33:48 PM EDT
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45 GAP is pretty useless in real life...it's still around....
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 8:47:51 PM EDT
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I like my p226 in 40. It's not going anywhere. I also like my 10mm. It's here to stay as well. Hell the other day at sportmans warehouse they had 357 sig and 41 mag on the shelf. The only pistol cartridge I couldn't find was 327 mag. They even had 32-20.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:17:18 PM EDT
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.40 is dying, it will end like the .41 and 10mm
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.40 is dying, it will end like the .41 and 10mm
Which only means neither are dead.    The .41Mag, it's true, exists mostly as a nichey handgun hunting cartridge, but it ain't dead.

The 10mm AUTO is, and has been, clearly in resurgence, and is nowhere close to being dead. More guns are being chambered in 10mm today than ever before, and more ammo-makers are producing  real (full-throttle) 10mm loads than ever before.

ps... 6.8 spc is dying too...
Okay, maybe.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:52:26 PM EDT
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The .41 / .40 parallel is true I think.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:03:06 PM EDT
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The .40 will always be available, or available as long as we are still using brass cased handgun ammunition.

It takes a lot for a cartridge to actually go away.  For example, the .41 Magnum is still here, though its original reason for being has been mostly forgotten.

I still shoot my 9x23mm Winchester pistol, now there is an unsuccessful cartridge, at least in terms of sales.

Cartridges some times even come back from the grave.  Look at the .44-40,  and .44 Russian, for example.

You might not be able to shoot a .40 cheap in the future, but you will be able to shoot it.
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I'm in my 40's, and don't know the story. Maybe I'm too young.   What gives on the .41 mag?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:34:47 PM EDT
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. I have no idea why people put so much credence in the recent FBI switch to 9 mm, nor why it's become so hip and trendy to talk about its demise while it is still in fact the most popular LE round.

The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 10:51:45 PM EDT
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I'm in my 40's, and don't know the story. Maybe I'm too young.   What gives on the .41 mag?
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Back in 1964, the 41 Remington Mag was introduced as the "perfect" police/self-defense cartridge; the 357 was deemed by some (i.e. Elmer Keith & Bill Jordan) to be too weak and the 44 Remington Mag too much...the 41 fell in between and, oddly enough, had ballistics/energy similar to the 10mm which would be introduced about 20 years later.
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 11:01:58 PM EDT
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.41 mag was never as popular as 40

I have dies, and plenty brass for 40, 41mag, and 6.8

there will be shitloads around here when I expire.







Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:03:41 AM EDT
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S.  * * * The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round.
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S.  * * * The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round.
That last is true, but it's not really what sold L.E. on switching over to the 40S&W when it was introduced in 1990.

The key selling point was that the new .40 cartridge took low-end 10mm-"stopping power" (initially, 180gns @ 980fps) and stuffed it into a 9mm-sized pistol with roughly the same mag capacity (12rds - 15rds) as a 9mm.

There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P.
Remember, in bullet-weights from 150gns up to 180gns, your *standard* factory .40. ammo is indistinguishable from watered-down 10mm ammo with a bullet of the same weight.  Thus, any truly ".40+P" ammo, in terms of fps/fpe output, would be an undiluted 10mm load. That much pressure would likely KABOOM! the shorter .40 case.

That's also why most commercial ammo companies don't sell "hot-rodded" .40 ammo, despite what reloaders and some boutique ammo-makers try to achieve.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:15:27 AM EDT
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No plan to get rid of my .40's.  Issued a 22 and have a personal owned 23.  Still a very good round no matter what the bashers say. Last ammo shortage 40 was about all you could find around my area and sometimes couldn't even find it !
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:20:54 AM EDT
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Back in 1964, the 41 Remington Mag was introduced as the "perfect" police/self-defense cartridge; the 357 was deemed by some (i.e. Elmer Keith & Bill Jordan) to be too weak and the 44 Remington Mag too much...the 41 fell in between and, oddly enough, had ballistics/energy similar to the 10mm which would be introduced about 20 years later.
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I'm in my 40's, and don't know the story. Maybe I'm too young.   What gives on the .41 mag?
Back in 1964, the 41 Remington Mag was introduced as the "perfect" police/self-defense cartridge; the 357 was deemed by some (i.e. Elmer Keith & Bill Jordan) to be too weak and the 44 Remington Mag too much...the 41 fell in between and, oddly enough, had ballistics/energy similar to the 10mm which would be introduced about 20 years later.
.41 Mag was chambered in N-Frames. That is why it never became popular as a police cartridge. If it was chambered in K-Frames or a L-Frame (not invented yet) then it would have done well.

10mm Auto had the same problem. Guns are too big. 

The .40 S&W has succeeded because it does the job in a 9mm size gun.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:06:28 AM EDT
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Lots of .40 S&W guns out there. Many more LE turn-ins coming to market. It'll be around longer than we will. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:18:48 AM EDT
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.40 S&W will cease to exist when companies stop making guns for it. 

Today.... companies like Beretta, HK, and Sig are still designing new products in .40 and releasing them to market. If the .40 was dead then those companies wouldn't be wasting time and resources for a market that doesn't exist. 
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:23:57 AM EDT
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If I were a betting man I'd wager uspsa will change the rules regarding minimum bullet diameter to qualify for limited major within a decade. I think they will have to begin at least allowing 9 major to qualify in order to stay a relevant division.

Enough manufacturers have already begun to curtail 40 cal offerings as it is and I don't see it getting better any time soon
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:25:00 AM EDT
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.40 is dying, it will end like the .41 and 10mm 

ps... 6.8 spc is dying too...

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10mm is not dying, if anything just the opposite.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:47:17 AM EDT
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If I were a betting man I'd wager uspsa will change the rules regarding minimum bullet diameter to qualify for limited major within a decade. I think they will have to begin at least allowing 9 major to qualify in order to stay a relevant division.

Enough manufacturers have already begun to curtail 40 cal offerings as it is and I don't see it getting better any time soon
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You're not gonna get the limited guys to shoot production, so there's always that...
If I were a betting man I'd wager uspsa will change the rules regarding minimum bullet diameter to qualify for limited major within a decade. I think they will have to begin at least allowing 9 major to qualify in order to stay a relevant division.

Enough manufacturers have already begun to curtail 40 cal offerings as it is and I don't see it getting better any time soon
LOL

Sig, HK, and Beretta just released new models in .40

P320, APX, and the VP40

Steyr has their M and L series.

CZ makes just about everything they have in a .40 also.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 10:40:28 AM EDT
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I love my 40s.

Police tradeins are cheap and lighty used.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 11:23:26 AM EDT
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. I have no idea why people put so much credence in the recent FBI switch to 9 mm, nor why it's become so hip and trendy to talk about its demise while it is still in fact the most popular LE round.

The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P.
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40 is falling out of favor with police and if 9mm hasn't taken the lead yet I expect it will soon.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 11:35:59 AM EDT
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I think there is a fair chance of this happening.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 12:19:34 PM EDT
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The only approved duty sidearm in our agency is the Glock 22. 23, and 27 and will not change any time soon.
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I wouldn't mind if all scoring was minor in USPSA.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:31:06 PM EDT
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I'd shoot Limited minor before Production. Keeping 87 magazines on your belt sucks.

40 may be the unpopular cartridge these days, but it isn't going to die off completely. Too many guns out there.
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Major scoring is the only reason I own a handgun in .40.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 1:38:51 PM EDT
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Sig, HK, and Beretta just released new models in .40

P320, APX, and the VP40

Steyr has their M and L series.

CZ makes just about everything they have in a .40 also.
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Available models is not the same as production numbers.

And you can bet your ass nearly every single major manufacturer is producing less individual units chambered in 40 across the board.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 2:02:56 PM EDT
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Main reason I do as well.  I keep a couple 40 cal Glocks around in the event of 9mm shortages though...and also because they were a cheap excuse for a new gun.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:19:41 PM EDT
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I love my 40s.

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I'm going with this and .40 is a solid caliber; best of both worlds. Cheap guns and a short 10mm
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:43:32 PM EDT
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. I have no idea why people put so much credence in the recent FBI switch to 9 mm, nor why it's become so hip and trendy to talk about its demise while it is still in fact the most popular LE round.

The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P.
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.40 S&W actually operates at the same pressure as 9mm and less pressure than 9mm +P.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 4:45:05 PM EDT
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.40 S&W actually operates at the same pressure as 9mm and less pressure than 9mm +P.
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But it will always be limited because many of the guns it's fired in weren't meant for 40.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:17:16 PM EDT
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I think looking at Federal website, they gave 40 and 45 HST the same ammo advancements as 9mm.
Heavy for caliber HST in 9mm, 40 and 45
Heavy Clothing
9mm HST 147 gr. 12.5''/.69
40 HST 180 gr. 12.5''/.80
45 HST 230 gr. 13.5''/.87
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:26:28 PM EDT
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This and do people really think it's going to die off? I mean really? Who believes that with so many guns out there in the caliber, it's not going anywhere. I really can't believe people actually post this question across multiple boards weekly...
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:41:17 PM EDT
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.40 is still pretty popular and going nowhere. I just bought 1000 rounds of it for .22 cents per round. It's a great median between 9mm and 45acp. I would be more concerned with .357 Sig.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:46:46 PM EDT
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It's taken me a few thousand rounds but I'm finally getting used to .40.

The brass mag well and frame weight helped though.  
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:47:28 PM EDT
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40 HST is my defensive choice.  It expands much more than the 9mm offering.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:55:42 PM EDT
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I swore I wasn't buying any more.40s, just hanging onto my M&P 40 and G22, but I traded into a P229 in .40 this evening
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:55:51 PM EDT
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I hope it sticks around, I just got a new HK VP40
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:02:14 PM EDT
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I have zero need for the .40, but it's not going anywhere.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:15:43 PM EDT
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NTSA

You have people who will stick with 40 for several reasons... to expensive to buy a new firearm, believe it fits them better, believe it is better, and LE departments that already are committed.

Who cares what caliber people choose all service caliber pistol rounds are pea shooters and suck for stopping power.  I hope 40 sticks around and drops in price because options are great to have.  Next panic 40 and 357 will be everywhere and 9 will be impossible to find.
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Any agency who is buying new guns isn't going with .40 - as agencies replace aging pistol stocks, they will be swapping out to 9mm. FBI led the nationwide switch to .40 and they'll lead the switch to 9mm. A Glock rep I spoke to said he expects .40 to be dead for most LE agencies within 10 years, becoming the new .41 magnum.
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