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Posted: 8/20/2004 7:49:25 AM EST
What do you like best?
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 7:51:39 AM EST
Full frame:
Glock 21
Sig P220
HK USP Expert

In that order. For a compact/CCW piece, Glock 30 or 36.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:05:34 AM EST
p220

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:18:41 AM EST
If it isn't a 1911 my only other choice would be a Sig P220
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:18:58 AM EST
Tough question.

I think the HK has better quality and functionability.

The Sig is very good, but fits my hand better.

So what parameters are you looking for in "like best?"
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:24:30 AM EST
Your opinons on:
Reliability
Accuracy
Fit and Finish
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:26:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:33:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By mikepenn33:
Your opinons on:
Reliability
Accuracy
Fit and Finish



I'd have to go with the H&K USP45f or USP45c for all those categorys.

However, if you wanted to save a ton of money the G21 can be found for around $500 and after seeing what Steve @ ADCO has put his through I'd have no problem buying one.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:40:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 8:40:45 AM EST by HardShell]
I have shot all of the above and would be happy with any of them. I voted S&W because (1) I've had my 645 for years, have always shot well with it, and have never had any problems with it, and (2) I figured I would be the only one here to vote that way.


That being said, I held the new Ruger .45 for the first time a couple of weeks ago (haven't shot one yet) and if it shoots as good as it looks & feels...
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:21:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By mikepenn33:
Your opinons on:
Reliability
Accuracy
Fit and Finish



Thanks, mike.

I voted HK.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:24:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 10:25:42 AM EST by norman74]
Best for what? Strictly firepower and reliability, I'll take the Glock. Accuracy I'll take the Sig.

Best of both worlds? CZ97.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:28:58 AM EST
The 220 is great but since it doesn't fit my hand I had to go HK. I think it's a tie between these two as far as the best. Capacity and controls go to the HK hands down. I can use the levers (except slide release) without changing my grip and 12 .45's is just cool.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:49:56 AM EST
I voted for Sig because I like that smaller .45 they make, the P245.

If I couldn't carry a 1911, but needed a .45, I would like to try the P245.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 11:48:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 11:50:37 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 12:21:00 PM EST
Glock 21.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 12:53:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2004 4:40:53 AM EST by _DR]
Although I carry a P220 and love it dearly, more Operators use this:


Edited to have a picture of the intended weapon, a MK23. _DR
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:19:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By _DR:
Although I carry a P220 and love it dearly, more Operators use this:

www.hkpro.com/usptactical.jpg



They do?
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:21:53 PM EST
I'll have to get back to you on this...

I have a USP45F and just yesterday, I picked up a P220... damn that thing feels nice in my hands.. I can't wait to take 'er out and give it a go!

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 2:08:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 2:12:48 PM EST by MaverickMkii]
HK .45F or SIG 220.

I was surprised how HK .45F handled compared to G21. After playing with my 1911 I came to realize I HATE glock's grip angle and the grip itself. HK 45F was indeed blocky but I liked the grip better than G21. Also it seemed my hand wraped more comfortably around it.

Funny I used to say that I loved Glocks before I bought the Kimber. Now I'm not even going to bother look if it is not as skinny as the 1911.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 2:24:21 PM EST
P220, I carry one 5 days a week. I do however much prefer a 1911 and wouldnt even own the sig if I could carry my Govt model at work. Too many stories of G21's having KBs. Locally Portland police have reportedly de-authorized the G21 for that reason.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 2:51:11 PM EST
Sig or HK
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 2:55:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 2:55:50 PM EST
Sig
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 4:14:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Although I carry a P220 and love it dearly, more Operators use this:

www.hkpro.com/usptactical.jpg



They do?



Here we go again!!
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 4:24:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 5:39:28 PM EST
Glock 21
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 9:48:32 PM EST
I voted SIG
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:49:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
I never think to ask the operator if they are armed when I call them ...



I do, but only to remind the operator that the P220 I picked up used in perfect shape was $1700 less.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 4:32:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/21/2004 4:41:57 AM EST by _DR]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
I never think to ask the operator if they are armed when I call them ...



sorry, that was supposed to be a picture of a MK23. I fixed the pic

"On May 1, 1996 the first MK23 pistols were delivered to the U.S. Special Operations Command for operational deployment, making the MK23 the first caliber .45 ACP pistol to enter U.S. military service since the venerable Government Model 1911."
full article

Link Posted: 8/21/2004 7:20:54 AM EST
MK23

Assuming you don't have to conceal it ;-)

1700 less? How the hell did you get a Sig for free? I dont know anyone who has paid that much for a mk23...
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 8:59:57 AM EST
Just traded in one of my Glock 21's for a Sig 220ST RAIL.
""
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 10:48:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By mikepenn33:
Just traded in one of my Glock 21's for a Sig 220ST RAIL.
"www.lux55.com/penn/sig.jpg"



Dude that is so sweet.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 11:04:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By mikepenn33:
Just traded in one of my Glock 21's for a Sig 220ST RAIL.
"www.lux55.com/penn/sig.jpg"



Dude that is so sweet.


RGR that!.. Only step better is the LTT model., GotM4 has one and its sweet......udog
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 11:11:17 AM EST
If not 1911 Sig P220 Sport.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 12:06:00 PM EST
SIG P220!

Joe
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 1:48:58 PM EST
I swear by the Ruger P90. I now have two in stainless. I got my second after I used my first for thousands of rounds. It has never failed me, I have nothing but praise for this gun. I carry it every day and have used it. I use gold dot hollow points in them both, but have put all makes of ammo through them at the range, even the cheap Wolf.
And the price beats a lot of other makes.....WELL DONE RUGER...I have several of there guns including rifles...I love my Mini 30 and both my 10/22's.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 8:25:09 PM EST
HK
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 8:45:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
I never think to ask the operator if they are armed when I call them ...



sorry, that was supposed to be a picture of a MK23. I fixed the pic

"On May 1, 1996 the first MK23 pistols were delivered to the U.S. Special Operations Command for operational deployment, making the MK23 the first caliber .45 ACP pistol to enter U.S. military service since the venerable Government Model 1911."
full article




Having them in the inventory and using them are two entirely different things. Just because some bureaucrat with spending authority liked them, doesn't mean "more operators" use them.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:11:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
MK23

Assuming you don't have to conceal it ;-)

1700 less? How the hell did you get a Sig for free? I dont know anyone who has paid that much for a mk23...



Just being sarcasic re: you can pick up a used 220 in 95%+ shape for about $400 while a Mark23 is something like $2,100MSRP, IIRC. I know people pay below MSRP.....

Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:21:54 PM EST
H-K USP fullsize
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:54:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By Adam_White:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
I never think to ask the operator if they are armed when I call them ...



sorry, that was supposed to be a picture of a MK23. I fixed the pic

"On May 1, 1996 the first MK23 pistols were delivered to the U.S. Special Operations Command for operational deployment, making the MK23 the first caliber .45 ACP pistol to enter U.S. military service since the venerable Government Model 1911."
full article




Having them in the inventory and using them are two entirely different things. Just because some bureaucrat with spending authority liked them, doesn't mean "more operators" use them.



I wasn't going to go there, but that's exactly right.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:48:20 AM EST
I'm surprised no one mentioned the SIG P245..I have shot one...I really like that little gun..


Ok, I'm going to buck the trend...Beretta Cougar 8045...

Small enough for CC, big enough to control recoil. Rotating barrel helps soften recoil and aids in reliablity.

My Cougar has been ultra reliable, not once failing due to the gun. Only failure was a a squib round that was the ammos fault, not the gun.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:54:13 AM EST
The H&K IMHO is closest to the 1911 in operation and grip so if you can't go 1911, go with the closest.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:08:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By norman74:

Originally Posted By Adam_White:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
I never think to ask the operator if they are armed when I call them ...



sorry, that was supposed to be a picture of a MK23. I fixed the pic

"On May 1, 1996 the first MK23 pistols were delivered to the U.S. Special Operations Command for operational deployment, making the MK23 the first caliber .45 ACP pistol to enter U.S. military service since the venerable Government Model 1911."
full article






Having them in the inventory and using them are two entirely different things. Just because some bureaucrat with spending authority liked them, doesn't mean "more operators" use them.



I wasn't going to go there, but that's exactly right.



OK just shoot me down in flames!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:25:18 AM EST
sig, hands down, easily
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:24:59 PM EST
HK USP fullsize....did the Sig thing, wasnt overly impressed.

The HK fit the bill perfectly and I love it dearly. Id trust my life to it anyday.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:33:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 6:46:54 PM EST by _DR]

Originally Posted By dravisar:
HK USP fullsize....did the Sig thing, wasnt overly impressed.

The HK fit the bill perfectly and I love it dearly. Id trust my life to it anyday.


I have both a USP full size (UPS9 SD) and Sig full size (P220).
They each have their own personality, I love them both. Especially in light the fact that they both have the German proof marks on them from the firearm proof houses.
Nothing against the domestic gun industry, but those proof marks mean you really can trust your life with them. It's too bad we don't have such stringent industry standards here in the US.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:45:23 PM EST
HK USP.45, fullsize or compact.
SIG 220 or 220ST
Tough choice.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 1:02:30 AM EST
SIG 220
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:45:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By dravisar:
HK USP fullsize....did the Sig thing, wasnt overly impressed.

The HK fit the bill perfectly and I love it dearly. Id trust my life to it anyday.


I have both a USP full size (UPS9 SD) and Sig full size (P220).
They each have their own personality, I love them both. Especially in light the fact that they both have the German proof marks on them from the firearm proof houses.
Nothing against the domestic gun industry, but those proof marks mean you really can trust your life with them. It's too bad we don't have such stringent industry standards here in the US.

www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/5-3.jpg




That looks like a Walther P99, not a Sig or HK.
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