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Posted: 1/15/2015 12:36:24 PM EST
I really like the 1911, and I want to like it enough to buy one. The problem for me is that my hands are too big for the single stack grip (yes, I've tried a Hogue). I'd love to pick up a double stack, 2011, whatever we are calling them, but STI is out of my price range and in all my research into the matter it seems I read enough problems with the 2011 that I can't bring myself to take a chance on the other manufacturers that I'll be fortunate enough to not have any problems. Why is it apparently so difficult to make a reliable double stack? I've been told that it comes down to the choke point at the top of the mags, but I'm wondering if this is only a mag issue, why hasn't this been solved?
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 1:06:57 PM EST
We push the STI mags and gun close to max (sometimes over) so they require some keen up keep. example we take a stock STI magazine, and relace everything but the tube (which we polish and rebend) just to get an extra 3 or 4 rounds in the gun. murder on the magazine springs.

I had a SA high cap that would run like a raped ape untill the frame would cracked.

My STI Ltd gun just has had zero problems once I placed an eftec extractor in the gun. Needed for reloads as factory fed 180 ran just fine.

I would look more at a STI in 45 using non modified mags as your base point as this model will work just fine.
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 2:46:30 PM EST
Sorry if this is off topic, but I did not know there was a problem. Does anybody know if RIA double stacks are reliable? I've often been tempted by the GI double stack.
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 3:00:41 PM EST
It is nothing to see a STI 2011 with 60,000 - 100,000 rds through it...not many guns made that can truly make the barrel a wear item. I have one of the first STI 2011's made that still runs like a "raped ape", as Gregory K put it.
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Originally Posted By Quackhead69:
It is nothing to see a STI 2011 with 60,000 - 100,000 rds through it...not many guns made that can truly make the barrel a wear item. I have one of the first STI 2011's made that still runs like a "raped ape", as Gregory K put it.
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I don't doubt that STI makes a great handgun. I would love to have one, but like I said...Out of my price range.
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 9:52:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
One of the keys to auto pistol reliability is the magazine...and there's no Sig or Beretta or H&K to put the money into making a good high-quality double stack 1911 magazine.
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Mec-Gar could probably take care of that.
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 10:13:01 PM EST
My friend and I bought 2 para p14's at the same time with 2 numbers off on the serial number. His ran great. He carried it everyday. It was worn, dirty and disgusting, but it still ran. Mine was pristine and didn't run well at all. Go figure.

You can always sell whatever you buy if your not satisfied with it. I'd get one that fits well and try it out.
Link Posted: 1/15/2015 11:27:06 PM EST
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I have an ATI FX45 Fatboy(the all steel non light weight version) and after re-hauling the most of the guts in the gun, she runs like "a raped ape"! It is a 3" gun so I had to replace the recoil assembly (I use either Kimber or Colt, I have heard great things about STI's) as well as the extractor. I also use Mec-Gar P14 (Para double stack 14 round) magazines. As long as I stay on top of replacing the recoil assembly she works flawlessly.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 12:05:43 AM EST
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It is not difficult to make a reliable double stack 1911. There are many out there. Unfortunately nearly all are STIs or the even costlier SVI. Apparently it is difficult to make one in your price range however. 1911s are more costly because more machining is involved in their manufacture. STIs are made in USA.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202574
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Link Posted: 1/16/2015 2:02:35 PM EST
you could try para the grip on a para is even larger than STI's. (or para copy)

I wear a 14 ring and my palm is about +4" wide and my hand is a bit over 8" long. I have no problems using a 1911 w/ S&A funnel installed.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 5:12:40 PM EST
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I don't think it's a question of reliability, I think that they've just not taken off to a great degree so most makers just don't bother with them....I've had 4 Kimber "Poly" high caps, ( actually, the first was a Bul/Kimber), and 3 ran great out the box. The Ultra Ten 2 ran after several hundred rounds...
They pop up on GB for between $500 and $600. I would avoid the "Ten" series and look for the earlier Polymer or Bul versions...



This Pre 2 compact stainless runs great, 14 round Mecgar mags run around $29 from CDNN.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 6:55:09 PM EST
Make the grips thicker.

All you have to do is countersink the screws to mount them further and make sure the thumb safety clears.
Other than that there is not really any limit.

Watch the mag release also.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 7:28:14 PM EST
Para figured this out a while ago. Their guns are cheap and run fine.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 8:13:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
I don't doubt that STI makes a great handgun. I would love to have one, but like I said...Out of my price range.
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well....quit fartin around on ARFCOM, get a second job and get what you really want


Link Posted: 1/16/2015 8:53:58 PM EST
My 2011's run fine, its the mags that I abuse the shit out of that give me fits!
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well....quit fartin around on ARFCOM, get a second job and get what you really want

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/derek45/media/1911/IMGP4267.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/1911/IMGP4267.jpg</a>
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Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
I don't doubt that STI makes a great handgun. I would love to have one, but like I said...Out of my price range.


well....quit fartin around on ARFCOM, get a second job and get what you really want

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/derek45/media/1911/IMGP4267.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/1911/IMGP4267.jpg</a>

Next month, I'll have a Tactical 5.0 (DS) on order.
Link Posted: 1/16/2015 9:26:13 PM EST
Rock River is said to have a few announcements at SHOT
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:35:08 AM EST
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Rock River is said to have a few announcements at SHOT
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Rock river or rock island?

RIA already has several 2011 models. Their 9mm tactical looks pretty nice, IMO.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:00:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Middlelength:
Para figured this out a while ago. Their guns are cheap and run fine.
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That has been my experience, having owned 2 P14s. One has more than 10-15k thru it, and I am the 3rd owner.
They do get some bad ones thru though, and judging by the guys I shoot USPSA with, so do STI.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:12:05 PM EST
My para-ord double stack works just fine. I haven't had any reliability issues with it.

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 12:15:32 PM EST
Quality cost $.I own over 30 handguns including glocks, m&p's xd's, and other 1911's. I do not trust any of them 100%.The only compleatly reliable, all the time everytime pistols i own, are my 2011's.
My last SV had over 90,000 rounds through it, and my limcat custom has over 30,000.These are the the most reliable pistols you can buy period.The reason they are so expensive, is also the reason they are so reliable, precise machining, and labor intensive hand fitting.
Alot of cheaper options are available including para, and rock island, but the reliablity just isnt there.
My advice, is to sell off the guns you dont need, or work the extra hours, and have one built by a reputable smith, then try to wear it out.Life is too short not to own one of these functioning works of art.Do yourself a favor and check out limcat custom.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:57:31 PM EST
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well....quit fartin around on ARFCOM, get a second job and get what you really want

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/derek45/media/1911/IMGP4267.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/1911/IMGP4267.jpg</a>
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Originally Posted By Derek45:
Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
I don't doubt that STI makes a great handgun. I would love to have one, but like I said...Out of my price range.


well....quit fartin around on ARFCOM, get a second job and get what you really want

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/derek45/media/1911/IMGP4267.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/1911/IMGP4267.jpg</a>


That is a sweet looking piece. I've never seen a trigger like that though, what is it?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:30:06 PM EST
Look for a used STI, they are worth it. Sell other things or save up money by cutting back in other area.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:43:36 PM EST
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Dawson precision is running a sale on demo STI pistols starting Monday.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:11:05 AM EST
someone should make a double stack 1911 frame that takes Glock 21 mags or just buy a glock 21.I like to remind my self that I can carry 2 8rd wilson mags in a double stack pouch wich lets me carry more ammo than a double stack mag...just more frequent reloading in a single stack 1911.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:14:40 AM EST
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That is a sweet looking piece. I've never seen a trigger like that though, what is it?
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http://www.sviguns.com/4008.php




Link Posted: 1/18/2015 9:56:56 AM EST
There are some nice deals to be had on a quality 2011, even brand new...http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=463896104

For what its worth, I would go with a factory new pistol from a quality manufacturer like a STI shown above...While you can save a few bucks w/
a used version, you can never know for sure if it will run correctly or if its been abused or tampered with in some way that will cause you more
problems down the road, etc...Buying factory new will you help avoid these Issues for your hard earned dollars...

Shopping around may produce even bigger savings and if your willing to use the Internet as a shopping guide you may be able to snag a great
deal...

Good Luck.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 6:38:47 PM EST
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That is a sweet looking piece. I've never seen a trigger like that though, what is it?
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Originally Posted By Derek45:
Originally Posted By Copperjacket:
I don't doubt that STI makes a great handgun. I would love to have one, but like I said...Out of my price range.


well....quit fartin around on ARFCOM, get a second job and get what you really want

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/derek45/media/1911/IMGP4267.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/derek45/1911/IMGP4267.jpg</a>


That is a sweet looking piece. I've never seen a trigger like that though, what is it?
STI's glass filled nylon trigger
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