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Posted: 9/4/2003 7:14:58 PM EDT
I'm looking to buy a 1911. I don't want to spend more that $600. I like the Springfield MilSpec. Thinking of buying one. I like the HiViz sights so I don't have to wear my reading glasses. I heard the gun was reliable.

Anybody have any comments on this gun or suggest another gun?

Thanks.....
Link Posted: 9/4/2003 10:00:47 PM EDT
For $600 you can buy a nice Kimber or Colt as well. Springfield mil-specs are normally in the $450 range, sometime a bit less.

Their mil-spec comes with a two-piece barrel. While certainly useable, it won't win you any bullseye matches.

I replaced my barrel with a Wilson NM barrel, it now shoots better than a Gold Cup!

Kimbers are decent guns but they put a lot of stuff on theirs that I neither want nor wish to pay for.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 1:37:43 AM EDT
Should be able to pick up one of the new roll marked Colt 1991A1's for about $550 +/-. I think it is the best 1911 going right now.
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 2:46:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rob96:
Should be able to pick up one of the new roll marked Colt 1991A1's for about $550 +/-. I think it is the best 1911 going right now.



Hello,

I've heard someone else recommend that gun. Do you happen to have a link for that gun? Why do you think it's pretty good?

Thanks....
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 3:34:27 PM EDT
I wouldn't put all my faith in Colt as the end-all, be-all of 1911s. They've been hit or miss on quality for 30 years or so. Some are darn fine 1911s, some are worse than Charles Daly's.
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 4:01:46 PM EDT
I've heard Smith and Wesson has a nice looking 1911. Anybody seen any of those up close?
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 4:12:12 PM EDT
I have three Colt's and all three are excellant weapons.


COLT

Link Posted: 9/5/2003 4:17:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 4:29:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Montag:
I've heard Smith and Wesson has a nice looking 1911. Anybody seen any of those up close?




Nice but overpriced, IMO.
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 5:37:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2003 5:43:19 PM EDT by thedr13]
Hey ....
Check around... The Springfield 1911A1 Loaded is worth looking into. Retails for $828.00 on their website. I found one for $649.00 OTD. I've had it for almost a year now and it is ,by far, the best 1911 I've ever owned.
IMO, it would be worth spending alittle more,than $600.00, but not much more, for a Springfield "FULLY LOADED".
Check out their web and then shop around locally for a deal. You Will Not Be Dissappointed!!!
My 2 cents.....but you can bank on it!!! Maybe worth $.04.

thedr
PS. Mine is the Stainless steel model....
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 6:04:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By Montag:
I've heard Smith and Wesson has a nice looking 1911. Anybody seen any of those up close?




Nice but overpriced, IMO.



I hear you can get them for $699 even though the retail is $900 plus.. They've had good reviews. Why do you think it's too much?
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 6:08:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedr13:
Hey ....
Check around... The Springfield 1911A1 Loaded is worth looking into. Retails for $828.00 on their website. I found one for $649.00 OTD. I've had it for almost a year now and it is ,by far, the best 1911 I've ever owned.
IMO, it would be worth spending alittle more,than $600.00, but not much more, for a Springfield "FULLY LOADED".
Check out their web and then shop around locally for a deal. You Will Not Be Dissappointed!!!
My 2 cents.....but you can bank on it!!! Maybe worth $.04.

thedr
PS. Mine is the Stainless steel model....




Hello,

Thanks for the recommendation. I did take a look at them. They are nice too. I really liked the black stainless PX9152L... I believe the lowest I've seen for that was around $700. Price is starting to get up there now....
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 7:40:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Strangelove:

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By Montag:
I've heard Smith and Wesson has a nice looking 1911. Anybody seen any of those up close?




Nice but overpriced, IMO.



I hear you can get them for $699 even though the retail is $900 plus.. They've had good reviews. Why do you think it's too much?



I'm hesitant on the S&W since I heard it's the first 1911 they've made.
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 8:51:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2003 11:44:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Strangelove:

I hear you can get them for $699 even though the retail is $900 plus..
Have you SEEN one for $699?


They've had good reviews. Why do you think it's too much?
For the same reason I think Rolls Royce's are overpriced. You can buy as good a gun as a S&W 1911 for several hundred dollars less.


Link Posted: 9/5/2003 11:46:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By meltdown:

I'm hesitant on the S&W since I heard it's the first 1911 they've made.




Dude, 1911s ain't brain surgery. S&W has long had the better gun designers on their team, Sigma's excluded.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 2:48:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By Strangelove:

I hear you can get them for $699 even though the retail is $900 plus..
Have you SEEN one for $699?

Yes, I have seen one for that price. I think the normal street prince is $749 but it was on sale for $699. I just double checked and it's there.


They've had good reviews. Why do you think it's too much?
For the same reason I think Rolls Royce's are overpriced. You can buy as good a gun as a S&W 1911 for several hundred dollars less.

I'm all ears fellow Jarhead. Let me know what you think would do the job...



Link Posted: 9/6/2003 2:55:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2003 3:22:04 AM EDT by Strangelove]

Originally Posted By MickeyMouse:
I like my SPringfield Loaded. Paid < $500. used. Good used avoids paper trail if that is important and the money you save buys some ammo to improve your skill.




What model did you get? Was it stainless? There is a local guy selling a Springfield PI9132L which retails new for $822. I know that's not the new street price. I believe that is around $700 or so. What do you think a used version would be worth seing as he wouldn't have to sell it at Gunbroker and there would be any associated fees?

I really didn't want to buy anything shiny though. Even though they look nice. I guess it's the leatherneck in me always wondering when I'm going to have to take to the hills if the shit hits the fan. I really didn't want to broadcast my location if you know what I mean.

It would be nice to be paperless in case Feinstein becomes dictator....

Thanks
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 5:00:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 4:06:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Strangelove:
I'm all ears fellow Jarhead. Let me know what you think would do the job...




A Kimber for $650 would seem to be as good or better deal than the S&W 1911 for $900.

If you can indeed get a S&W for $699, that would seem to be a real good price for them. Or is the price dropping because the demand isn't there?

Understand, I'm not slaming the S&Ws, I'm simply saying they're overpriced at their current $850-900 range.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 4:08:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2003 4:24:03 PM EDT by thedr13]

Originally Posted By Strangelove:

Originally Posted By MickeyMouse:
I like my SPringfield Loaded. Paid < $500. used. Good used avoids paper trail if that is important and the money you save buys some ammo to improve your skill.




What model did you get? Was it stainless? There is a local guy selling a Springfield PI9132L which retails new for $822. I know that's not the new street price. I believe that is around $700 or so. What do you think a used version would be worth seing as he wouldn't have to sell it at Gunbroker and there would be any associated fees?

I really didn't want to buy anything shiny though. Even though they look nice. I guess it's the leatherneck in me always wondering when I'm going to have to take to the hills if the shit hits the fan. I really didn't want to broadcast my location if you know what I mean.

It would be nice to be paperless in case Feinstein becomes dictator....

Thanks



I bought the S/S Springfield because I love the look of it as well as the ease of maintenance. Also stainless won't rust even if neglected.
I also removed the sharp pointed original grips on mine and put on the Pachmyer "American Legend" grips. They are the ones that are wood with the rubber insert with finger grooves. Great feel and a help for a positive grip.
It also looks GREAT!

thedr
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 9:54:32 PM EDT
Go to www.1911fourms.com

There is a recall out on the S&W 1911s already.

However, if you want a millspec gun, the Phillippine made Armscors sold either as Armsocors or as Rock Islands sell for about $325. They are extremely reliable guns that most of the posters have been happy with right out of the box. Which draws many irate comments from Kimber and Springfield owners.

There is one odd thing noticed about the Philippine guns. The more expensive you get, the more fancy features you add, the more expensive finish you buy, the less happy owners seem to be. But as long as you stick to a GI spec parkerized 5inch 1911A1 they seem to be as good as any gun of that type on the market.
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 2:05:16 AM EDT
If you go to the 1911 forum, you will see that most people think these are the best 1911's Colt has ever put out. For the most part, the only complaints you will see, will be in regards to finish blemishes. Reliability problems are far more when you read the Kimber and Springfield sections. Colt is truly putting out a great pistol these days.
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 3:55:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:
I replaced my barrel with a Wilson NM barrel, it now shoots better than a Gold Cup!



BobCole....Will check out this barrel for my Mil-Spec. Did you do anything to the trigger for a lighter pull?? If so, what did you do??
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 2:23:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2003 2:27:57 PM EDT by ALAN308]
I have a colt 1991a-1 and a s.a. mill spec.

first, to answer your question, yes, and no.

If you find a new colt 1991 that appears to be fitted well, buy it. If you get tired trying to find one, buy a s.a. mill spec, under 500.00. You can have the action sweetened a bit and have sights installed.

BTW, Colt is building another run of stainless guns right now. It will be interesting to see if they have responded to s.a.'s releasing so many better fitted guns reciently. I'll have another 1991a-1 stainless if they are.
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 10:26:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By alpo:
BobCole....Will check out this barrel for my Mil-Spec. Did you do anything to the trigger for a lighter pull?? If so, what did you do??



No, not for a lighter pull. I had a STI trigger installed because I have large hands & the long trigger fit me better.

Sear still has the same factory pull & all that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 10:30:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
However, if you want a millspec gun, the Phillippine made Armscors sold either as Armsocors or as Rock Islands sell for about $325. They are extremely reliable guns




The Armscorp 1911s that I have shot were both a POS. The owner had both full size & compact & even he couldn't make them run. I think the front sight flew off of one of them.

When is the last time the Philippines produced a quality gun?
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 11:27:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2003 12:56:52 AM EDT by ArmdLbrl]

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
However, if you want a millspec gun, the Phillippine made Armscors sold either as Armsocors or as Rock Islands sell for about $325. They are extremely reliable guns




The Armscorp 1911s that I have shot were both a POS. The owner had both full size & compact & even he couldn't make them run. I think the front sight flew off of one of them.

When is the last time the Philippines produced a quality gun?



Right now.

I don't know what your buddy thought he bought but it goes counter to literally dozens of posts over there on 1911forums.

The evidence is just too overwhelming.
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45524
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44407
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45167
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47961
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50440
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49742
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40243
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23460&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51241
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52925
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53071
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54487
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57121

Meanwhile we have the following:
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57533
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56027
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25112
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57400
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57372
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57167
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57511
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57539
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57262
www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55330

So you can see that being a "name brand" and costing more does not equate with not being a POS.


Link Posted: 9/8/2003 12:07:32 AM EDT
I only own 2 1911's, a Colt Gold Cup and a Springfield MILSPEC. I'm happy with them both.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 8:31:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wave:
Dan Wesson's have been good to me so far...



These are fine guns for the money. They would be my choice in a 1911 in that price range.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 8:44:40 AM EDT
The S&W 1911 goes for $699-$729 at a half dozen different gun shops in my area. I got mine for $599, but I doubt you'll be able to duplicate that feat.

At $700 it's as good as any comparably priced Kimber or SA

Dan Wesson makes an excellent gun for the money. I've been very happy with my Guardian Duce.

My favorite local shop has a used SA Milspec available for $379 that has a long trigger and an action job. They sell them brand new for $399. Good basic gun that you can customize to your own tastes without laying out a lot of money up front.

I keep trying to talk myself out of buying one of the loaded black stainless Springfields. So far rationality has won out, but sometimes, late at night, I hear it calling my name ...



Link Posted: 9/8/2003 8:53:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
I don't know what your buddy thought he bought but it goes counter to literally dozens of posts over there on 1911forums.



First of all, he's not "my buddy", he's only someone I saw at the gun range.

Secondly, I have no idea what he "thought he bought". When a gun won't run & the front sight flys off, that's NOT a quality gun in my book.

As for the 1911 forums, good for them. Let them buy all their cheap guns, I'll stick to quality.
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 7:57:40 PM EDT
I have the parkerized Springfield Loaded. I couldn't be happier with it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 9:49:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedr13:

Also stainless won't rust even if neglected.




Wholly incorrect, sir. Stainless will indeed rust & rust solid if given the opportunity.
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 7:45:59 PM EDT

under $600 find a real GI 1911. They are made with quality exceeding SA guns. They have forged frames unlike Auto-ordanance, they are cheaper than new production Colt Mil-specs. I know a guy who's 1911 saved his life several times in Vietnam and then he took it home in a duffle bag and it saved his butt in Chicago. He still has his issue 1911. And it still works and shoots about 4inches from a bench at 25yds.

The SA loaded isn't mil-spec at all (take a look at the grip frame and compare it to a GI 1911- it is built to a totally different spec with angled cocking serrations as well) GI guns have vertical cocking serrations and a lanyard loop MSH. You won't find a 2 piece POS barrel in a GI gun but you might in SA guns.

"Dude, 1911s ain't brain surgery. S&W has long had the better gun designers on their team, Sigma's excluded."

If you want a 1911 with a redundant safety and external extractor and warning labels on the frame go right ahead. S&W made a deal with the government in an attemt to screw us I made a deal with me (NO S&W GUNS).


And real SS doesn't rust (like the kind Ruger uses (408 ordanance grade SS) the only reason SA's will rust is because they use low grade SS (probably 316).

The reason high grade SS is a bad idea for 1911's is that it galls badly (IE FRAME RAILS) Chrome is a great 1911 friendly finish it might cost $150 but it doesn't gall.


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