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Posted: 9/2/2005 5:28:55 PM EDT

Are these 45 cal anygood for personal protection my para has no feed problems with them?

Posted: 9/3/2005 6:43:53 AM EDT

[#1]

The Silvertip was one of the very First expanding loads available for .45ACP

It's been around for over 25 yrs. at least .

It's pretty much equivalent to the current .40 S&W 180 gr. loadings , in so far as
velocity and energy are concerned.

But of course you START with a Bigger bullet

I still keep a few boxes on hand for my 1911.
If you have a commander or Shorty 1911 , it's a good choice to ensure some expansion
and a higher velocity than ball ammo.

Posted: 9/3/2005 7:30:36 AM EDT

[#2]

thanks do u think its as good as corbons stuff?

Posted: 9/3/2005 10:13:21 AM EDT

[#3]

The 185 grain bullet has a LOW sectional density, especially once it mushrooms. Its penetration will be poor.

For most purposes, you're better served with a 230 grain hollow point.

Posted: 9/3/2005 3:36:04 PM EDT

[#4]

I have just shot a couple of the new 160gr DPX Corbon made for compacts. They worked perfect in my P-10 Para Accurate and less recoil than my PPK/S The DPX is designed to penetrate deeper than normal HP This is a non +P you can get 185DPX +P

Posted: 9/7/2005 4:09:42 PM EDT

[#5]

The 185gr Silvertips in .45 are decent in some respects. If the guy is wearing a t-shirt, the round will stay inside of his torso. If the person is wearing denim or a sweatshirt, the front of the HP deforms and turns into hardball.
Sources: At a range we did alot of testing of these against different barriers and clothing. A coroner who reported 19 of 20 shootings he had that involved a .45 Silvertip round, he recovered the bullet from the torso.

Posted: 9/8/2005 4:05:56 PM EDT

[#6]

I have seen the results of three local shootings (2 LEO, 1 civilian) with this load...two never expanded at all, and one expanded only a little on one side...all 3 remained in the body cavity...two 5in. barreled M645 S&W's and one 1911...all three BGs were DRT with one round each at close ranges, but placement was excellent. I would not use it if I had a better / more up to date load to select from, but recoil is light and feeding is slick. I much prefer a 230gr. standard velocity JHP.

Posted: 9/11/2005 4:52:39 AM EDT

[#7]

KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CORBONS 230 +P STUFF ITS EXPENSIVE BUT LOOKS NASTY?

Posted: 9/11/2005 4:53:23 AM EDT

[#8]

Sorry for caps

Posted: 9/11/2005 7:07:49 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I have seen the results of three local shootings (2 LEO, 1 civilian) with this load...two never expanded at all, and one expanded only a little on one side...all 3 remained in the body cavity...two 5in. barreled M645 S&W's and one 1911...all three BGs were DRT with one round each at close ranges, but placement was excellent. I would not use it if I had a better / more up to date load to select from, but recoil is light and feeding is slick. I much prefer a 230gr. standard velocity JHP.

the two unexpanded bullets stayed in the body? were the shots at a funny angle, or just straight through the chest-to-back?

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:25:20 PM EDT

[#10]

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I have seen the results of three local shootings (2 LEO, 1 civilian) with this load...two never expanded at all, and one expanded only a little on one side...all 3 remained in the body cavity...two 5in. barreled M645 S&W's and one 1911...all three BGs were DRT with one round each at close ranges, but placement was excellent. I would not use it if I had a better / more up to date load to select from, but recoil is light and feeding is slick. I much prefer a 230gr. standard velocity JHP.

the two unexpanded bullets stayed in the body? were the shots at a funny angle, or just straight through the chest-to-back?

One at a right to left angle (as if facing the bad guy), and the other straight-on front to back...I have seen both actual bullets...not just the autopsy photos...both stayed in the body cavity, but the front to back one was just under the skin. These rounds have low penetration and low...relatively...velocity. All in all, not a great load, I think, but they have very low recoil and feed very well...a very important consideration, especially years ago when the number and sophistication of "modern" loads for the .45 was not what it is today.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:59:24 PM EDT

[#11]

Double post

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:11:20 PM EDT

[#12]

My recommendation is gold dot or ranger 230 gr.

Silvertips are old tech. I found a box of those with my dads super vels. Obviously i had to replace his defensive ammo.

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:18:58 PM EDT

[#13]

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KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CORBONS 230 +P STUFF ITS EXPENSIVE BUT LOOKS NASTY?

Looks dont have a damn thing to do with it.

Get a standard velocity load in 230gr. Gold Dots and Winchester Ranger SXTs are outstanding. Plain old cheap 230gr ball will give you a practice load that will feel the same and with a similiar point of impact. The 1911 was designed and built to run a 230gr bullet at around 850fps. People fuck with that combination all the time and then bitch about 1911 un-reliability.

Be smart, shoot well, shoot often.

Posted: 9/12/2005 7:07:48 AM EDT

[#14]

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I have seen the results of three local shootings (2 LEO, 1 civilian) with this load...two never expanded at all, and one expanded only a little on one side...all 3 remained in the body cavity...two 5in. barreled M645 S&W's and one 1911...all three BGs were DRT with one round each at close ranges, but placement was excellent. I would not use it if I had a better / more up to date load to select from, but recoil is light and feeding is slick. I much prefer a 230gr. standard velocity JHP.

the two unexpanded bullets stayed in the body? were the shots at a funny angle, or just straight through the chest-to-back?

Not unusual at all. Skin is very tough, and it takes about as much force to penetrate the skin as it does to go through a few inches of muscle.

Posted: 9/13/2005 4:07:55 PM EDT

[#15]

If you wanted to go lighter because of recoil or expansion, there are better choices in 185gr.

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