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Posted: 9/30/2011 1:29:41 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2011 2:17:32 PM EST


While the M9 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, this batch is bought under FMS for other countries.

FMS is a program where allied nations buy US military equipment through the DoD at the DoD price. The Army is the proponent agency for the M9, so it's the agency that buys them for allies at the Army cost.
Link Posted: 9/30/2011 2:56:11 PM EST


I only hear this from Army Times (not an official DA source) and here on AR15.com every few months. Wishful thinking on both parts but nothing to do with reality.

Link Posted: 9/30/2011 3:32:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ross:


While the M9 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, this batch is bought under FMS for other countries.

FMS is a program where allied nations buy US military equipment through the DoD at the DoD price. The Army is the proponent agency for the M9, so it's the agency that buys them for allies at the Army cost.

Who else is buying the things? Between the Glock, CZ75, and Browning Hi Power, that seems to cover the sidearms for every NATO country around.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 6:32:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 6:33:52 AM EST by Ross]
Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Ross:


While the M9 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, this batch is bought under FMS for other countries.

FMS is a program where allied nations buy US military equipment through the DoD at the DoD price. The Army is the proponent agency for the M9, so it's the agency that buys them for allies at the Army cost.

Who else is buying the things? Between the Glock, CZ75, and Browning Hi Power, that seems to cover the sidearms for every NATO country around.


The Beretta announcement specifically refers to Afghanistan and other allies. It's rare that aid programs like FMS are used for NATO nations. NATO, etc. can usually drive their own bargins that make more sense for them, and any NATO nation would buy direct from Italy which is a NATO nation. When Turkey bought the Beretta 92, they had Beretta set up a factory there. That's a much bigger economic impact than just getting a good price on M9's. Beretta makes all the Stoeger Cougers there now, so Turkey made out much better overall. Belgium assembled locally the F-16's it bought from General Dynamics.

FMS is a form of aid. Most first-line allied nations, like NATO, Australia, ROK, etc. don't fall under "aid" programs. Those are usually direct buys with a great deal of political backing from the source nation.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 1:12:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ross:
Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Ross:


While the M9 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, this batch is bought under FMS for other countries.

FMS is a program where allied nations buy US military equipment through the DoD at the DoD price. The Army is the proponent agency for the M9, so it's the agency that buys them for allies at the Army cost.

Who else is buying the things? Between the Glock, CZ75, and Browning Hi Power, that seems to cover the sidearms for every NATO country around.


The Beretta announcement specifically refers to Afghanistan and other allies. It's rare that aid programs like FMS are used for NATO nations. NATO, etc. can usually drive their own bargins that make more sense for them, and any NATO nation would buy direct from Italy which is a NATO nation. When Turkey bought the Beretta 92, they had Beretta set up a factory there. That's a much bigger economic impact than just getting a good price on M9's. Beretta makes all the Stoeger Cougers there now, so Turkey made out much better overall. Belgium assembled locally the F-16's it bought from General Dynamics.

FMS is a form of aid. Most first-line allied nations, like NATO, Australia, ROK, etc. don't fall under "aid" programs. Those are usually direct buys with a great deal of political backing from the source nation.

Ah, so it's something in Afghanistan?

I thought that the ANA and police forces were being supplied with S&W Sigmas?
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:50:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 2:52:47 PM EST by Ross]
Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Ross:
Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Ross:


While the M9 isn't going anywhere anytime soon, this batch is bought under FMS for other countries.

FMS is a program where allied nations buy US military equipment through the DoD at the DoD price. The Army is the proponent agency for the M9, so it's the agency that buys them for allies at the Army cost.

Who else is buying the things? Between the Glock, CZ75, and Browning Hi Power, that seems to cover the sidearms for every NATO country around.


The Beretta announcement specifically refers to Afghanistan and other allies. It's rare that aid programs like FMS are used for NATO nations. NATO, etc. can usually drive their own bargins that make more sense for them, and any NATO nation would buy direct from Italy which is a NATO nation. When Turkey bought the Beretta 92, they had Beretta set up a factory there. That's a much bigger economic impact than just getting a good price on M9's. Beretta makes all the Stoeger Cougers there now, so Turkey made out much better overall. Belgium assembled locally the F-16's it bought from General Dynamics.

FMS is a form of aid. Most first-line allied nations, like NATO, Australia, ROK, etc. don't fall under "aid" programs. Those are usually direct buys with a great deal of political backing from the source nation.

Ah, so it's something in Afghanistan?

I thought that the ANA and police forces were being supplied with S&W Sigmas?


Maybe they figured out just how much those suck.

Maybe the Afghanis finally sold off the last of the Sigmas to the Taliban.

The linked announcement specifically mentions Afghanistan, but also mentions "other U.S. allies around the world". It doesn't mention how many are going to whom.
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