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Posted: 7/31/2011 10:43:17 PM EDT
TRP or TLE...Springfield or Kimber? WHich is the best of these two?
Link Posted: 7/31/2011 11:43:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2011 11:43:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 12:24:18 AM EDT
TRP. I have owned numerous Kimber's. With the exception of my Warrior, every Springfield I currently own, puts them to shame. Fit, finish, craftsmanship and customer service of Springfield Armory is currently way better than Kimber.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 2:56:48 AM EDT
TRP.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 3:38:17 AM EDT
TRP. No question and I've owned both - hence the screen name.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 4:28:20 AM EDT
trp.
out of five people i know w/kimbers, only one swears BY it.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 5:33:39 AM EDT
Any idea as to why LAPD swat as well as SIS went with Kimber over Soringfield??....
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 5:45:34 AM EDT
Well not the same reason FBI went with SA over Kimber, or was it?
Both will work well. Of the 2 I would chose SA.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 12:37:48 PM EDT
Even if everything was the same(fit, finish, price), I'd go with Springfield everytime. Why pay for a product whose company only stands by that product for a year? Springfield will stand behind that TRP for LIFE. Plus stories I've heard of SA's customer service are amazing. If/when I buy another 1911, it will be another Springer to go with my GI Champ. Unless I get a killer deal on a VBOB or can find a 10mm CBOB.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 12:57:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Well not the same reason FBI went with SA over Kimber, or was it?
Both will work well. Of the 2 I would chose SA.


What reason??
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 1:25:56 PM EDT
TRP is my vote.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 1:42:16 PM EDT
Another vote for the TRP. For obvious reasons...
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 3:41:05 PM EDT
I narrowed it down to these two and then discovered Dan Wesson Valor and bought it. You can find one for the same price as the trp and used ones pop up for 12-1300.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 3:57:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JC77:
I narrowed it down to these two and then discovered Dan Wesson Valor and bought it. You can find one for the same price as the trp and used ones pop up for 12-1300.

You can get a used TRP for less than that. Both are great guns.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 4:21:52 PM EDT
TRP

Springfield has the best customer service.

Link Posted: 8/1/2011 5:02:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2011 5:03:05 PM EDT by coregon]
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Well not the same reason FBI went with SA over Kimber, or was it?
Both will work well. Of the 2 I would chose SA.


What reason??


I know this wasn't directed at me, but i thought I would share my experience.

For several years I never subscribed to the Kimber vs Springfield debate. I had multiple weapons from each manufacturer and loved them all. There is actually a thread in this sub-forum when I finally got a full rail TRP Operator, where I took a picture of the TRP with my Warrior.

About 6 months ago, I had 3 Kimber 1911s (Warrior, SIS, Custom TLE II). After buying the SIS brand new, I had an extractor break which damaged several internal parts after 14 months and only 1k rounds. I call Kimber and they are explainging to me what they can do about it, yada-yada. After giving them the Serial# and other info, they find out that I have had the weapon for 12+ months, or longer than their 1-year warranty (which I wasn't aware of at this time). I was shut down, couldn't get a returned phone call, passed from everyone from their Sales VP to the damn night Janitor. I even offered to pay the labor charges at Kimber Custom Shop if they would supply the parts. Negative, nothing was done. Needless to say, 2 weeks later I had sold all 3 of my Kimber pistols and never intend on owning one again. Do problems happen? Sure, I'm not oblivious or ignorant of that. But I refuse to stand behind a company that won't stand behind their product, much less their clientele. I expect to have much better craftsmanship and pride in a product that I pay $1500-ish for. We're talking semi-custom 1911 $$$ range.

With all that being said, I have 5 SA 1911s (3 of which are TRPs, which I think are the top of the scale in terms of production pistols) and I have never had a single issue with any of them. 13k rounds through my most used piece. I am so confident in both the tool and the manufacturer that I am starting the process of having their Custom Shop build me a Custom Professional.

YMMV.

ETA: I also want to mention that I have pistols from other manufactueres, including: Smith and Wesson, STI, Rock Island and Colt. I didn't want anyone to wave the "fanboy" flag, though I am a fan of SA.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 5:46:17 PM EDT
I either read you post this somewhere else or someone else had a very similar experience. It was enough that I knocked Kimber out of my choices.

Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Well not the same reason FBI went with SA over Kimber, or was it?
Both will work well. Of the 2 I would chose SA.


What reason??


I know this wasn't directed at me, but i thought I would share my experience.

For several years I never subscribed to the Kimber vs Springfield debate. I had multiple weapons from each manufacturer and loved them all. There is actually a thread in this sub-forum when I finally got a full rail TRP Operator, where I took a picture of the TRP with my Warrior.

About 6 months ago, I had 3 Kimber 1911s (Warrior, SIS, Custom TLE II). After buying the SIS brand new, I had an extractor break which damaged several internal parts after 14 months and only 1k rounds. I call Kimber and they are explainging to me what they can do about it, yada-yada. After giving them the Serial# and other info, they find out that I have had the weapon for 12+ months, or longer than their 1-year warranty (which I wasn't aware of at this time). I was shut down, couldn't get a returned phone call, passed from everyone from their Sales VP to the damn night Janitor. I even offered to pay the labor charges at Kimber Custom Shop if they would supply the parts. Negative, nothing was done. Needless to say, 2 weeks later I had sold all 3 of my Kimber pistols and never intend on owning one again. Do problems happen? Sure, I'm not oblivious or ignorant of that. But I refuse to stand behind a company that won't stand behind their product, much less their clientele. I expect to have much better craftsmanship and pride in a product that I pay $1500-ish for. We're talking semi-custom 1911 $$$ range.

With all that being said, I have 5 SA 1911s (3 of which are TRPs, which I think are the top of the scale in terms of production pistols) and I have never had a single issue with any of them. 13k rounds through my most used piece. I am so confident in both the tool and the manufacturer that I am starting the process of having their Custom Shop build me a Custom Professional.

YMMV.

ETA: I also want to mention that I have pistols from other manufactueres, including: Smith and Wesson, STI, Rock Island and Colt. I didn't want anyone to wave the "fanboy" flag, though I am a fan of SA.


Link Posted: 8/1/2011 8:01:31 PM EDT
I own a TLE and I vote for TRP.
Link Posted: 8/1/2011 11:33:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JC77:
I either read you post this somewhere else or someone else had a very similar experience. It was enough that I knocked Kimber out of my choices.

Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Well not the same reason FBI went with SA over Kimber, or was it?
Both will work well. Of the 2 I would chose SA.


What reason??


I know this wasn't directed at me, but i thought I would share my experience.

For several years I never subscribed to the Kimber vs Springfield debate. I had multiple weapons from each manufacturer and loved them all. There is actually a thread in this sub-forum when I finally got a full rail TRP Operator, where I took a picture of the TRP with my Warrior.

About 6 months ago, I had 3 Kimber 1911s (Warrior, SIS, Custom TLE II). After buying the SIS brand new, I had an extractor break which damaged several internal parts after 14 months and only 1k rounds. I call Kimber and they are explainging to me what they can do about it, yada-yada. After giving them the Serial# and other info, they find out that I have had the weapon for 12+ months, or longer than their 1-year warranty (which I wasn't aware of at this time). I was shut down, couldn't get a returned phone call, passed from everyone from their Sales VP to the damn night Janitor. I even offered to pay the labor charges at Kimber Custom Shop if they would supply the parts. Negative, nothing was done. Needless to say, 2 weeks later I had sold all 3 of my Kimber pistols and never intend on owning one again. Do problems happen? Sure, I'm not oblivious or ignorant of that. But I refuse to stand behind a company that won't stand behind their product, much less their clientele. I expect to have much better craftsmanship and pride in a product that I pay $1500-ish for. We're talking semi-custom 1911 $$$ range.

With all that being said, I have 5 SA 1911s (3 of which are TRPs, which I think are the top of the scale in terms of production pistols) and I have never had a single issue with any of them. 13k rounds through my most used piece. I am so confident in both the tool and the manufacturer that I am starting the process of having their Custom Shop build me a Custom Professional.

YMMV.

ETA: I also want to mention that I have pistols from other manufactueres, including: Smith and Wesson, STI, Rock Island and Colt. I didn't want anyone to wave the "fanboy" flag, though I am a fan of SA.




I've been reading stories like this practically weekly about Kimber CS on another forum. I have however read a couple stories where Kimber has stepped up and taken care of similar situations. It's a crap shoot though. So far, there's nothing in Kimber's lineup that I've coveted enough to roll those dice. I'm not much of a gambling man and I prefer a sure thing.
Link Posted: 8/2/2011 8:00:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JC77:
I either read you post this somewhere else or someone else had a very similar experience. It was enough that I knocked Kimber out of my choices.

Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Well not the same reason FBI went with SA over Kimber, or was it?
Both will work well. Of the 2 I would chose SA.


What reason??


I know this wasn't directed at me, but i thought I would share my experience.

For several years I never subscribed to the Kimber vs Springfield debate. I had multiple weapons from each manufacturer and loved them all. There is actually a thread in this sub-forum when I finally got a full rail TRP Operator, where I took a picture of the TRP with my Warrior.

About 6 months ago, I had 3 Kimber 1911s (Warrior, SIS, Custom TLE II). After buying the SIS brand new, I had an extractor break which damaged several internal parts after 14 months and only 1k rounds. I call Kimber and they are explainging to me what they can do about it, yada-yada. After giving them the Serial# and other info, they find out that I have had the weapon for 12+ months, or longer than their 1-year warranty (which I wasn't aware of at this time). I was shut down, couldn't get a returned phone call, passed from everyone from their Sales VP to the damn night Janitor. I even offered to pay the labor charges at Kimber Custom Shop if they would supply the parts. Negative, nothing was done. Needless to say, 2 weeks later I had sold all 3 of my Kimber pistols and never intend on owning one again. Do problems happen? Sure, I'm not oblivious or ignorant of that. But I refuse to stand behind a company that won't stand behind their product, much less their clientele. I expect to have much better craftsmanship and pride in a product that I pay $1500-ish for. We're talking semi-custom 1911 $$$ range.

With all that being said, I have 5 SA 1911s (3 of which are TRPs, which I think are the top of the scale in terms of production pistols) and I have never had a single issue with any of them. 13k rounds through my most used piece. I am so confident in both the tool and the manufacturer that I am starting the process of having their Custom Shop build me a Custom Professional.

YMMV.

ETA: I also want to mention that I have pistols from other manufactueres, including: Smith and Wesson, STI, Rock Island and Colt. I didn't want anyone to wave the "fanboy" flag, though I am a fan of SA.




I've posted this in another thread in the 1911 Forum, so I am sure that's where you saw it
Link Posted: 8/2/2011 1:34:01 PM EDT
Thread needs some gun porn



carry on Gentlemen....
Link Posted: 8/2/2011 6:23:51 PM EDT
Another +1 for the TRP
Link Posted: 8/2/2011 8:22:03 PM EDT
I've had to thin the herd a little, or a lot actually. Got rid of my Kimbers and my Nighthawk....still have my TRP though.

I vote TRP.
Link Posted: 8/3/2011 12:09:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2011 12:10:28 PM EDT by mstennes]
I HAD, 3 Kimbers, two went back for repairs in under a month, and under 500 rounds, one of those two went back twice for the same problem. I now own no more Kimbers, nor would I rely on one to save my life. Each episode dealing with Kimber was terrible, I swaer, they were trying to put me off on the CDP until the warrenty ran out, it was the one that went back twice. I also own Colt, Springfield, Wilson, Nighthawk, and a Remington
ETA, Sorry Op forgot TRP all the way
Link Posted: 8/3/2011 1:00:54 PM EDT
One more for the record...

Link Posted: 8/3/2011 1:52:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2011 1:59:39 PM EDT by efpeter]

Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Any idea as to why LAPD swat as well as SIS went with Kimber over Soringfield??....


Firing pin safety? I believe Springfield was eliminated right off the bat because they have a 70 series style firing system.



Get the Springfield. I have never owned a Kimber, but I have never had a problem with my TRP. Very happy with it.



eta....





Link Posted: 8/4/2011 11:24:02 AM EDT
My answer is as follows.......





-Tim
Link Posted: 8/4/2011 1:38:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2011 1:41:30 PM EDT by atram6]
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Any idea as to why LAPD swat as well as SIS went with Kimber over Soringfield??....


Nothing, and I mean nothing makes ANY sense in Commifornia.
Link Posted: 8/4/2011 3:07:18 PM EDT
TRP
Link Posted: 8/7/2011 7:19:23 AM EDT

TRP has served me very well.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:16:00 PM EDT
my TRP is the one gun I had that I really regret getting rid of.
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