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Posted: 9/6/2005 9:46:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:50:36 AM EDT
Well, how much are they, and do you have them?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:57:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 10:04:52 AM EDT
Aaaaagh...not worth it, when I can put a Dawson rail on my steel gun for $150 including a refinish. $75 would be more like it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:30:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:49:42 AM EDT
Tempting, but that giant advertisment on the side kinda ruins it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 11:59:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 3:33:17 PM EDT
I take it ONLY made for full size 1911s?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 4:36:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:26:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 7:09:39 PM EDT by hobbs5624]
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Link Posted: 9/7/2005 3:45:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:14:00 PM EDT
Can only surefire lights be used on this rail?
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:23:18 PM EDT
Aside from not holstering it, he may want to refrain from firing it. I hear the cycling of the action can actually cause wear marks on the frame and slide.


All kidding aside, thanks for posting that info Hobbs. A lot of people don't think of those things until it's too late.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:40:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 12:45:30 AM EDT by GenghisKhan]
Take off the "SUREFIRE" banner add and make it about $50 and I would probably get one because it would be dedicated to that gun and never come off. I would not go with it If I was going to put it on and off and on and off. However a stainless gun would remedy the mark problem. I am glad Hobbs posted that though because I hate to make marks on my gun when I do not have to.


How is that better than the other for $59
http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/product_info.php/products_id/216

I am not saying the sure fire is not better I am just asking how it is better or at least how is it $100 better.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:34:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:35:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:38:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:45:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By modog:
Well, how much are they, and do you have them?



They are $150 and SCRREEEECCHH<sound of car brakes> I'll stop reading riiiiiiight about there.
C4



$150??? Sell alot of those?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:39:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:44:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By modog:
Well, how much are they, and do you have them?



They are $150 and SCRREEEECCHH<sound of car brakes> I'll stop reading riiiiiiight about there.
C4



$150??? Sell alot of those?



Grant. does this take an extended slide stop to mount properly?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:21:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:03:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 11:06:25 AM EDT by GenghisKhan]

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:
Take off the "SUREFIRE" banner add and make it about $50 and I would probably get one because it would be dedicated to that gun and never come off. I would not go with it If I was going to put it on and off and on and off. However a stainless gun would remedy the mark problem. I am glad Hobbs posted that though because I hate to make marks on my gun when I do not have to.


How is that better than the other for $59
http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/product_info.php/products_id/216

I am not saying the sure fire is not better I am just asking how it is better or at least how is it $100 better.




edit: It does look rather nice I will give you that. The other one looks great on the 92 but is a little short on the 1911.



Edit: It does look rather nice I will give you that.
Well it looks like it is big and bulky and would have have a hell of a time finding a holster for it. Most of your Safariland 6004 holsters will work with this mount. The MR07 has been thoroughly tested and approved by the 10-8 guys. I cannot say the same for the other one.


C4



I guess if you are going to use it with a holster it is a plus however if I used one it would be for the bedside. I pesonaly would not use it for concealed carry and if I was a profesional I would have one permanantly installed or buy a pistol with one machined into the frame. I do agree it looks a little better however to me "Mr Elcheapo" it does not look $100 better when I know it could not have cost them any more to machine that one than the $59 one. Now if one is made in the States and one is made it a commie country I might spend the extra. That is still a big price jack though.
Just my two cents.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:18:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:39:54 AM EDT
So the one for $59 had no R&D that went into it?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:53:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:26:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 6:20:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:
So the one for $59 had no R&D that went into it?



What $ 59 one?


This one.

The first things I noticed that I didn't like about it;
-The rail is not very long, so it is alot less flexible in mounting options.
-It drops the light a significant amount lower than the Surefire.
-It looks less sturdy due to the fact the Surefire extends to the slide stop on both sides, where as the other one only extends on one side.
-It appears to be shiney.
-The drop and angle of the rail platform looks very prone to snagging.

It comes down to what you need. I'd take the Surefire myself if I needed one.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:17:50 PM EDT
Well I think for the money and the fact that it will be on my duty weapon my money is on the Surefire. I have already e-mailed Grant about it and I will be getting one. I will let you all know how it works out.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 1:55:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:
So the one for $59 had no R&D that went into it?



What $ 59 one?




http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/product_info.php/products_id/216
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:13:21 AM EDT
I just got one that came with my P107 Nitro. I haven't test fired with the new slide stop yet. Range is closed on Sunday. Anyone have any results to give? I'm interested to see how the weapon cycles for everybody else. I'll post again next weekend after I run a few hundred through mine.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 4:59:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 5:02:46 PM EDT by STEEL1212]
I just got mine in today and the fit and finish is great. I'm not a big fan of the advertisment but what ever. I'm going to run it through some rounds at the range this weekend just to see what it does to my milspec....my ever faithful mule

Also is has rubber under the barrel and on the trigger guard. I know they will still rub somewhat but at least its not metal on metal.



Sorry for the terrible pic my camera sucks
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:35:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:38:17 PM EDT
I hear they work well and I know a million more people would buy them if they didn't look like a billboard.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:43:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:27:30 PM EDT
to me its function over form. If I wanted a "pretty gun" I would have gotten a operator or something like that with a rail. I have my other SA targets, micros and what not to keep my eye candy desire's filled. This gun is a bedside gun and I need a light. It works, gets the job done, I can sleep at night, good enough for me.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 7:30:11 PM EDT
I received mine from Grant a week ago. (Thanks Grant the best customer service and fast shipping!) I have put about 450 rounds through the pistol and it has preformed without malfunction. The pistol always has but I was not certain how well it would do with the new slide stop and rail. It is a bit of cash but it is built like a brick shit house. I would always be willing to pay a little extra for something that is of known quality and I think Surefire has proven them selves over and over. It is also recomended by the 10-8 group as an alternative to the Dawson. They don't take these things lightly and if they have said it is good to go you can take it to the bank. As far as the Surefire logo and wear to the pistol if it is going to get me through the worst case situation I could give a damn about looks. My weapons are meant to see wear and tear as well as use. If I have a weapon that does not then I will pull it out of the safe and sell it for more ammo. YMMV but I think this is a great product and a great alternative to the Dawson.

Stay Safe!
Tex
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:28:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:05:20 AM EDT
I'm taking mine out today and rattling some off down range. Frankly, I think my mil-spec looks meaner than hell with it on, even with a billboard. If it still runs like a top, then I think this rail might be a very smart alternative to buying a new frame, pistol w/ rail, or having one gunsmithed. Plus, the ability to remove it when desired is a plus.

Anybody know of any concealment holsters that will fit this monstrosity now?
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 6:12:26 AM EDT
I recently recieved one of these as a test unit from a Surfire rep, with the guidance from him to "beat the dogshit out of it". Got home from my trip and mounted rail on a Kimber w/ a spare M3 Streamlight and ran a quick 500 rounds through it. The rail does mount other lights than Surefire and holds up well to extended firing. Would I buy one for $150? You bet (turned out I didn't have to spend the money though), good piece of gear.
Link Posted: 10/12/2005 6:16:57 AM EDT
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