Thanks for the input, I was leaning that way. I was also thinking you couldn't get any + P rounds for a GAP because it's sqeezed in to the max. But has anyone shot one? Did you like it. To me it blew away the feel of the glock but of coarse I haven't shot the Springfield. I was hoping enough people on the AR15 site. Who's opinions have rarely lead me astray would be better then the reviews I've read about. If you've shot one or the other let me know what you thought about it. It just felt so much better in my hand then any of the other handguns I've held and I would have bought one but I knew he wanted to much even though it was the first price I saw on it. It was $560. for the 5" acp. with 2 13 round mags and the package. Holster, speed loader. extra magazine holder (I think it fits to your belt) I have found it as low as $499. But some fuckers are taking out the 13 round mags and putting in 9 rounder so their price it best. But not if you buy 2 13 rounders. I call Springfield Armory and they assured me all XD 5 " or tactical models ship from the factory with two 13 rounders and the package. If you know where to get them cheaper please email me. Thanks, Mike