In walmart today. ( Note open carry is legal here)

First one was a guy who works at a local gunshop and has some sort of tuckable holster but a cheap belt for the full size Kimber he carries. There was a really obvious amount of bulk on his hip but a really doubt a sheeple would notice. He has carried for years and  doesnt have the CCW newb nervousness despite printing.  No obvious GUN clothes
       2nd was a local Trooper  I know who carries his issue G17 in one of the polymer Glock holsters off duty. The rip was printing rather badly through his shirt but most everybody knows he is a LEO. Again he is at ease with his concealed weapon and doesnt fidgit despite printing.  No Gun or LEO Clothes
       3rd one was really odd. Tall thin short haired guy wearing a LA police Supply hat, Black over sized Under Armour Sweat Shirt, Jeff Gonzales 5.11 shooting gloves 5.11 pants and 5.11 Boots and an Earring. He kept looking my Strider Folder clipped in my pocket as he walked by. (Possibly he spotted me as another Gun guy by my knife)  Then adjusted what was obviously a pistol at  his 3 which until then was totaly conclealed. I dont know if a sheeple would have spotted that but even my wife noticed.  If he hand't adjusted his weapon I would have been able to spot him excep for clothes which screamed LEO or GUn.

Do YOUR clothes, subconcious actions or Weapon/Holster/Belt make it obvious that you are carrying a comcealed weapon?

When I see someone wearing a "gun vest" I assume they are armed. Watching them for a few seconds will almost confirm it when I see a print or they try to adjust it. I don't know why people continue to wear these things anywhere but the range. Almost any other button or zip up garment will work just as well without making you look like a security contractor.

I'm not really sure what's worse; the guys who wear the vest with the full tactical ensemble, or the ones who wear it with stuff that looks totally out of place. I saw a guy grocery shopping last week in a SigArms cap, Oakleys, 5.11 pants and vest, Danner boots, and a Spyderco clipped on both sides. Very discrete.

The week before I saw a guy in a nice restaurant one evening who was wearing loafers, dress slacks, a button up dress shirt, topped off with an OD green gun vest. I guess he took of his coat and tie and thought the vest would provide more casual looking "concealment."

Those vests are like wearing a shirt that says, "I'm carrying a gun, but I'm not going to show it to you."

The 64 dollar question really is, do non gun geeks know what those clothes are or do you know that they are carrying because you know what those clothes are and usually mean?

I'd submit that the general populous wouldn't have a clue and don't pay attention anyways to printing.  We carry so we know what to look for and where so it is more obvious to us.

I spotted a former member here who was wearing a 5.11 vest, pants and Emerson CQC7. You could tell it made him uncomfortable. I have noticed LEO's looking at my Buck Strider 882.  A couple have asked me about it because they like knives. However lots of oflks carry knives and Multi tools in the rural area. I have a lot of Blackwater, Tangodown ,SIG, HK, Glock and   ARFCOM shirts but rarely wear them because there is no sense in tipping somebody off.

There is a guy here from Indy that had his printing Glock noticed by a retail loss prevention guy at Best Buy. The dumb kid made a grab for the weapon! Most folks dont  even notice the guy's that open carry around here.  They are Oblivious to most everything.

Quoted: There is a guy here from Indy that had his printing Glock noticed by a retail loss prevention guy at Best Buy. The dumb kid made a grab for the weapon! Most folks dont  even notice the guy's that open carry around here.  They are Oblivious to most everything.

Yeah, that's just about a prime fucking way of getting shot.  Loss prevention has NO right to place their hand on anyone until they actually leave (or attempt to leave) the store, and even then their primary purpose is surveillance to ensure effective prosecution.  If the opportunity to stop someone presents itself, sure, take it, but searching can only be done by a LEO.

I would be suing the shit out of that little pissant loss prevention punk.

A few weeks ago I was at the range wearing a "gun" T-shirt talking to a guy who was telling me that he was thinking about getting a Glock 17 but that he thought it would be too difficult to conceal. I asked him if he could see mine, and he asked me what I meant. I then lifted my shirt and to his genuine surprise I had a Glock 17 on my hip.

I have been carrying a fullsize handgun wearing nothing but a T-shirt for the last few weeks and no one, not LEOs, not gun guys and especially not sheeple have noticed.

I did have one instance where I saw someone and instantly thought "he's got a gun". I was coming out of the stairwell into the parking garage at the Texas History Museum and there was a guy getting a soda from the soda machine for his daughter. The guy had a "f*g bag" on. Instant giveaway.

Quoted: The 64 dollar question really is, do non gun geeks know what those clothes are or do you know that they are carrying because you know what those clothes are and usually mean? I'd submit that the general populous wouldn't have a clue and don't pay attention anyways to printing.  We carry so we know what to look for and where so it is more obvious to us.

That is my conclusion as well. Ever walk through a Walmart or a shopping mall and watch other people? Most of the people who come into close proximity of you will not even look directly at you, let alone notice your gun.

Quoted: I have been carrying a fullsize handgun wearing nothing but a T-shirt for the last few weeks and no one, not LEOs, not gun guys and especially not sheeple have noticed.

I hear that. Been carrying a USPf .45 for a while and I'm just a scrawny 5' 10" 155 lb guy.

Haven't heard nary a thing.

Good belt. Good holster. Don't dress like a metrosexual. Works like a charm

Quoted: Quoted: The 64 dollar question really is, do non gun geeks know what those clothes are or do you know that they are carrying because you know what those clothes are and usually mean? I'd submit that the general populous wouldn't have a clue and don't pay attention anyways to printing.  We carry so we know what to look for and where so it is more obvious to us. That is my conclusion as well. Ever walk through a Walmart or a shopping mall and watch other people? Most of the people who come into close proximity of you will not even look directly at you, let alone notice your gun.

I enjoy watching the sheep mill around at local malls while shopping with my wife. I'll wait outside of the store and observe them . most guys around here don't print to badly. I do sometimes when CCW'ing my G19 in my belt slide my PT945 hardly prints at all. one of the big malls localy have the big red pistol in a crossed circle (means squat here) ,and the rent-a-cops don't even look at people . you can spot the guys doing the same as I in a heart beat though and most have a slight print.

about the store clerk grabbing for the guys CCW piece thats almost a draw down event. I've had my wife check mine just because she couldn't see it.

the best flashing I ever did was while riding my sport bike . the wind would blow my shirt over it all the time . I'd look over and the driver next to me would be all bug-eyed.
got pulled over once and a cop though it was a cell phone under my shirt instead of a 1911.

about the store clerk grabbing for the guys CCW piece thats almost a draw down event.

I'd say its worth at least a broken wrist.

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........Do YOUR clothes, subconcious actions or Weapon/Holster/Belt make it obvious that you are carrying a comcealed weapon?

No ...... not that. I've just noticed some people suddenly take off the other direction, like skateboarders on sidewalks, because I think they think I'm a plainclothes cop, which I'm not. In part, I think it is the neck wallet which resembles a badge carrier but I use it to carry my electronic pass cards ......... and at that point, I'm not the only person who does such nor am I wearing it all the time. So it's probably also the poise, the prowess.

Now, on the other hand, other actions, other activities I do probably quickly id my familarility with weapons. Ie, if I'm taking pictures, especially telephoto ones on the snap, then my coming up to shoot probably mimics bringing a rifle up to bear. And while it is not my habit to wear a pistol on the hip, the way I protect or jaunt one over the other, may mark me that way.

.......which rather comes back to the poise, the prowess. I have done years of judo and dance, such as ballet, and as such, both work into how I carry myself, in what I do. Whether I'm carrying a gun or not, assuming I'm not careless about it, may not mark me as quickly as those do.
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I just wear over-size t-shirts and never had a problem. I used to do the F*g Bag thing but it was too freakin obvious.

Quoted: That is my conclusion as well. Ever walk through a Walmart or a shopping mall and watch other people? Most of the people who come into close proximity of you will not even look directly at you, let alone notice your gun.

And it seems people who do look directly at you always look at the eyes or face, not at the waist-line.    

No gun-related clothing here, other than a couple of CMP National Matches t shirts.  I wear normal clothes.  Depending on what I am wearing and where I am going I either tuck my shirt into the holster (CTAC) or wear the holster as a straight IWB.  I want to go as low-key as possible and be the gray man.

In Texas, if anybody sees your concealed weapon you have violated the law.

I use the smart carry.  If someone is staring at my crotch I'm going to assume the package they're interested in isn't the 1911.

Was the loss prevention guy grabbing for a suspected gun, or did he think he was grabbing for a lifted digital camera or something? Grabbing for a gun is REALLY stupid. Grabbing for a lifted digital camera is merely stupid.

so I'm at the booth a t the gunshow talking to this cop, I glance down and there is this bulge above his heart, it's in the shape of a tiny pistol. It's a keltec32acp that he has on a lanyard around his neck. Guys, it's totally noticeable and I know some others here that do the same thing  

Quoted: The 64 dollar question really is, do non gun geeks know what those clothes are or do you know that they are carrying because you know what those clothes are and usually mean? I'd submit that the general populous wouldn't have a clue and don't pay attention anyways to printing.  We carry so we know what to look for and where so it is more obvious to us.

While your point is cetainly valid I'll add that the people who are clueless and do not notice these things are not the ones we need to worry about.  The ones we need to worry about are the bad guys who carry guns, knivesm, etc, and may have just as much if not more training than we do.  Those guys will know how to spot signs too.

Almost anyone can strap a gun on and not be noticed by the public at large.  The real trick is not being noticed by the smarter, trained and more dangerous two legged predators.

+1 to JER - Be the grey man!

Quoted: Those vests are like wearing a shirt that says, "I'm carrying a gun, but I'm not going to show it to you."

Dig it.  I used to hate the vests.  But after seeing how out of fashion it was with the members of this site, I had to get one.  (not the 5.11, but something along those lines)

I first started looking at the vest differently when I was working an event that the Governor was speaking at.  One of her DPS security guys was wearing one.  His set up worked, and it was low key to everyone else around who didn't notice that type of thing.

It's so convenient for picking my kid up at school where I'd otherwise have to untuck my button down shirt to cover the gun up.  Even though it's a fashion disaster, I wear it alot.

I've got a good belt, stiff leather and poly -reinforced goodness.  But everytime I get out of the truck or run a bit I gotta yank up my drawers.  

I was in a mall in a BAD part of town ~2 hours from home and caught a man coming from the men's room adjusting his gat in the SOB in his break away wind pants.  

He didn't grab for his "belt" but right onto the pistol grip through his oversized jersey.  

I could have sworn he was going to turn around and stick it in my face...


On a Gun Show note...

A friend of mine didn't see the no loaded gun signs on the doors.  He paid, went to the hand stamp, where they ask you if you have any guns.  He says "yep!" and lifts his shirt.  

They start screaming "loaded gun!  loaded gun!"  And tell him he can't enter.

He called me up, going "WTF?"  He was stuck outside while all his friends and ride were inside.  I told him 1.  He's a dumb ass  and 2.  Go put it in the car, properly and come back in.

If he hadn't pulled up his shirt, he would have been fine, untill/unless caught.

Quoted: On a Gun Show note... A friend of mine didn't see the no loaded gun signs on the doors.  He paid, went to the hand stamp, where they ask you if you have any guns.  He says "yep!" and lifts his shirt.   They start screaming "loaded gun!  loaded gun!"  And tell him he can't enter. He called me up, going "WTF?"  He was stuck outside while all his friends and ride were inside.  I told him 1.  He's a dumb ass  and 2.  Go put it in the car, properly and come back in. If he hadn't pulled up his shirt, he would have been fine, untill/unless caught.

Bought two tactical shirts the other month at a gunshow. Doesn't that sound like a typical woman, go to a gun show and buy clothes?

Anyhow, I tend to wear them a lot but not because they have concealable pockets but because working in a computer center for 8 hours, they are warm! (Tend to also carry a wooly pully with me to work, either job (computers/diving))

And durable. When I can, I want to get one in tan for when I do field collection work and in that situation, I probably will be packing in some way. But tan for protection against the elements. Unlike my younger college classmates who go into the dunes with shorts and tank tops, I go for full khaki for protection against the sun.

BUT ....... there you go. Are they wearing this or that clothing because they can carry guns in it or are they exploiting it for some other purpose? Granted, one might end up getting shot over it and that might be a bummer. But then again, tip the hand to someone in the crowd who is actually carrying, tip the hand because of a bad fashion assumption?
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To me, a knife clipped to the pocket is a "mabey" for CCW, a knife AND flashlight is a guarantee.
I have a Benchmade clipped to my right pocket, a Surefire E2D clipped to the left.

I worried about printing the first few weeks I carried a full size Sig Pro 2022.  Later, I realized no one was paying attention to me.  

I just purchased a sleveless bluejean jacket for summer carry concealment.  I can get away with it since I ride a Harley as my primary vehicle.  But I suspect it is going to be hot as hell in the dead of the August Georgia heat.

My CRKT is always clipped in my left front pocket(I'm left handed) and my 229 is just above and behind it.