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Posted: 10/21/2004 1:30:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 1:34:30 PM EST by Sin_Bin]
Special Application Ammunition (SAA) in .45 calibre

90gr. TFSP 2036 fps / 828 flbs

115gr. TFSP 1650 fps / 700 flbs


*TFSP = Total Fragmenting Soft Point


To me it would seem advantageous to go with the 90gr.

I'm wondering however, what tactical situation would call for the 115gr.? Reducing penetration?

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:33:43 PM EST
115gr .45?? That's going to look about like a dime...

and anyway, the heavier load will penetrate more, rather than less, as a general rule.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:36:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 1:48:46 PM EST by Sin_Bin]
I guess I don't understand ballistics then. Why do the lower numbers (velocity and flbs) penetrate further?

And does TFSP = frangible or blended metal? Or neither?

Are these frangible? I don't want frangible.

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:42:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 1:46:15 PM EST by Sin_Bin]
OK, I learned that TFSP is not blended metal, that would be BMTSP, or Blended Metal Technologies Soft Point.


And I'm reading cavity diameters of 11" on both the 90 and 115 but 11" penetration on the 90 vs. 12" from the 115gr.


Cavity Diameter and Penetration depth shot at 30' through four (4) layers of Ballistic Nylon into calibrated 10% Ordnance Gelatin at 34 degrees.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:47:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 1:48:07 PM EST by QuietShootr]
Where are you getting this from? Please tell me it's not LeMas.

Edit: it can't be if there're gel tests posted..


Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:
OK, I learned that TFSP is not blended metal, that would be BMTSP, or Blended Metal Technologies Soft Point.


And I'm reading cavity diameters of 11" on both the 90 and 115 but 11" penetration on the 90 vs. 12" from the 115gr.


Cavity Diameter and Penetration depth shot at 30' through four (4) layers of Ballistic Nylon into calibrated 10% Ordnance Gelatin at 34 degrees.

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:49:28 PM EST
ooops..it is LeMas.

That stuff is snake-oil bullshit, my friend.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:49:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 1:50:22 PM EST by Sin_Bin]
www.rbcd.net/Personal%20Defense%20Ammo.htm


RBCD and Lemas are the same? I'm glad I asked, thanks!


Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:50:39 PM EST
Run Forrest.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:52:18 PM EST
Roger that, thanks QS

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 1:52:38 PM EST
If you're looking for .45 carry ammo, the Winchester Ranger T 230gr is about the best you can get. If you can't find it, the 230gr Federal HydraShok is very respectable. I've killed a lot of shit with that load, including a 224lb buck.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 2:08:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
If you're looking for .45 carry ammo, the Winchester Ranger T 230gr is about the best you can get. If you can't find it, the 230gr Federal HydraShok is very respectable. I've killed a lot of shit with that load, including a 224lb buck.



I've got the Hydra Shoks but I'll check around for the Win. Rangers (aren't those like the Black Talons?).
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 2:11:13 PM EST
Yes, they're the law enforcement load that replaced the Black Talon. They don't have that nasty black coating and they have undergone several generations of improvement in the bullet itself. The Winchester part number is RA45T. Note that the "civilian" SXT is not the same bullet, and does not have the sharp points characteristic of the Ranger T.


Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
If you're looking for .45 carry ammo, the Winchester Ranger T 230gr is about the best you can get. If you can't find it, the 230gr Federal HydraShok is very respectable. I've killed a lot of shit with that load, including a 224lb buck.



I've got the Hydra Shoks but I'll check around for the Win. Rangers (aren't those like the Black Talons?).

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 2:13:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
The Winchester part number is RA45T. Note that the "civilian" SXT is not the same bullet, and does not have the sharp points characteristic of the Ranger T.



What's the difference between having the sharp points and not having them?

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 2:47:30 PM EST
Supposedly the cutting action destroys about 5-10% more tissue than the rounded edges of the SXT.


Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
The Winchester part number is RA45T. Note that the "civilian" SXT is not the same bullet, and does not have the sharp points characteristic of the Ranger T.



What's the difference between having the sharp points and not having them?


Link Posted: 10/21/2004 4:25:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Supposedly the cutting action destroys about 5-10% more tissue than the rounded edges of the SXT.



When there's that much damage, I doubt 5-10% would make much difference unless you were going for cool points and photo ops.

Thank you for your help, QS.


Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:31:19 PM EST
Cool points are important, you know.


Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Supposedly the cutting action destroys about 5-10% more tissue than the rounded edges of the SXT.



When there's that much damage, I doubt 5-10% would make much difference unless you were going for cool points and photo ops.

Thank you for your help, QS.



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