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Posted: 8/17/2006 1:13:30 PM EDT
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HK.
why? the short answer is that sig hates me for being left handed. the RACISTS!!! |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 1:43:52 PM EDT
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I think they are both high-quality weapons. In fact, I have a Sig P232 (.380 auto), as well as an HK USP Compact .45 and a P2000 9mm.
I have found that the HK pistols seem to fit my hand better than say a Sig 226 or 229. The Sig weapons tend to be a little heavier. Nevertheless, Sig is used by air marshalls and the Navy Seals. I have had great success with my HKs after shooting Glocks for a number of years before that. The HK grip and trigger location is ergonomically perfect for my hand, but might not be for yours. I really don't think you will go wrong either way. Go to some funshows and fondle each and see which one feels the best to you. Good luck mate. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 2:05:22 PM EDT
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I'd pick Sig Sauer because its ergonomics feel better to me. A week ago I would have said the HK being that I'm a lefty. That changed when I went and shot my cousins p229R, I had absolutley no issues shooting it being left-handed. The controls on the HK are setup better for leftys but you can reach everything you need on the sig easily and the grip is much more ergonomic in my opionion.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 2:07:25 PM EDT
[#4]
SIG
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Posted: 8/17/2006 2:08:58 PM EDT
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Sig vs HK always makes me laugh because you are looking at two very different handguns. Sig is all metal DA/SA with decocker. Locations of controls are somewhat obscure. This can cause issues for some shooters. Sigs tend to run smoother with a little more oil. Very smooth DA trigger pull, somewhat long, mushy SA pull. HK is DA/SA with a safety and decocker, and the frame is plastic. This allows you to carry any way you want, but most importantly, allows you to carry cocked and locked. DA trigger pull is NOT the best, but the SA trigger is as good as any other DA/SA auto out there. To some people, the grip is not as comfortable. Older Sigs appear to be more consistent in the QC department, but both firearms are made by some of the strictest standards in the industry. Both are some of the most accurate around, and although I cannot comment on Sig reliability, HK is right there neck and neck with Glock. Can't go wrong either way you go, but realize what you are looking at. Apples to Oranges here. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 2:13:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Glock
 HK, I guess, although neither HK nor SIG really do anything for me pistol-wise. I hate DA/SA autos. The HK LEM is okay but nothing spectacular. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 2:32:45 PM EDT
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Is the LEM HK's version of the Glock style trigger? Trying to figure out what the heck the LEM is comparable too. I like the trigger on my Glock but am thinking baout getting an HK USP. WIll this LEM trigger be the closest in comparrison. To stay on topic. I have shot both and both are solid weapons. Sig is a bit heavier and may make follow up shots and felt recoil better for some shooters. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 3:04:35 PM EDT
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I was wondering about the LEM also if it was like a Glock trigger.
BTW I have an H&K Compact and a Sigarms 229 that I have had probably 10 years. I used to do LE recertification as part of my job but haven't shot much in about 8 years. I sold a 10mm glock that I have had 20 years this morning and won't to get another handgun with it. About the only think I can thnk of is another Sig or H&K. I am not into Colt or Colt clones. I tried them in the 1970's and carried one for awhile. I also had a Goldcup back then. Just wasn't my cup of tea. Had to spend to much money on them to get them to shoot really good. I have shot some nice ones but they were quite expensive. JR |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 3:27:38 PM EDT
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HK all the way.
The LEM is like a DAO with a long take up. It is much lighter and smoother though because it has the hammer half cocked as it is. The trigger does not have to do as much work. This is a really, really simple explanation but it is in no way a Glock trigger. All glocks want to grow up to be USP's anyway.  |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 3:45:36 PM EDT
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Both are great guns, in fact, I like the feel of the Sig better but I'm a lefty that carries only HK. I'm curious... How does a lefty lock the slide back in the event of a rare double feed malfunction? |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 4:05:21 PM EDT
[#11]
drop the mag, then rack the slide and not worry about locking it back? |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 6:11:37 PM EDT
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I've tried it with the P220 and P229 and the mags didn't drop freely unless the slide was locked back first. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 6:23:49 PM EDT
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between the two I went with a HK USP FS 9mm. It fit my paws better and there less muzzle flip.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 7:06:09 PM EDT
[#14]
sig 220 best 45 out of the box and feels great in my hand
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Posted: 8/17/2006 7:33:22 PM EDT
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If buying new, H&K. I don't trust anything Sig has made in the past 2 years.
If you can find a CPO 226 or 220, get it. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 7:58:55 PM EDT
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I'm not much of an HK fan but I'd select a single action USP Compact over most anything SIG makes... with the possible exception of the new single action 220.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 8:01:43 PM EDT
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I'd go with HK. Sig is overrated and overpriced. They're made here in the US, cost just as much as the imported and taxed HK.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 8:08:13 PM EDT
[#18]
+1 Shoot them both and see which you can conceal/carry better. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 8:37:23 PM EDT
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Have both and love both... Either will do you better then you can ever do them.. Buy a Glock and you will kick yourself..
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Posted: 8/17/2006 9:06:16 PM EDT
[#20]
One more vote for Hk.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 9:16:54 PM EDT
[#21]
sincerely, ex-SIG and current HK and Glock owner |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 11:12:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Sig, because I boycott H&K.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 11:15:36 PM EDT
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Why? Because they wont sell the HK416 to civilians? Just curious. |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 11:26:13 PM EDT
[#24]
Sig, sigs are for shooting HK's are for looking at.
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Posted: 8/17/2006 11:30:48 PM EDT
[#25]
Yup, thats why! |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 11:54:46 PM EDT
[#26]
HK makes a good boat anchor, but for a handgun I'll take a Sig.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 12:13:26 AM EDT
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I have handled an HK USP 45 and I have fired a Sig Sauer P220. I would choose the Sig over the HK.
I prefer 1911s to either of them though. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 8:25:22 AM EDT
[#28]
I have both, and the LEM is not like a Glock trigger. I would describe the LEM as closer to a two-stage AR15 trigger. It has a relatively long take up, but then resets very quickly for subsequent shots (like the AR15 trigger does). I did Big Bore's spring change out with mine and reduced the pull from about 7.5 lbs. to 4.5 lbs. My P2000 is my current favorite handgun. It is a joy to shoot. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 8:35:08 AM EDT
[#29]
 Geez. They both launch little projectiles that poke holes in stuff. Before you plunk down some hard earned green, find a way to try an example of each. Buy what works for you. Niether of them SUCK. Either one, on a given day, with a given shooter, is just as accurate as the other. And as to dependability, I'd stake my life on either. I bought both. Two SIGs and two H/K's. Best solution - get both. Now, just decide which to get first. 
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Posted: 8/18/2006 9:08:35 AM EDT
[#30]
+1 Honestly I'd take either one, but I'd definately try to shoot each first. I suggest hooking up with someone in the hometown forums. If you offer to pay for their ammo or range fee I'm sure someone would let you shoot a HKs or Sig. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 10:33:07 AM EDT
[#31]
I have owned both and liked my SIG a lot more but others will say they have owned both and prefer the HK. The reason I likeed my SIG better was the trigger and the grip. Both were reliable and accurate enough but neither floated my boat so I do not have them anymore. They are both great pistols though.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 10:57:30 AM EDT
[#32]
I love H&K's. Sigs are great weapons, but they don't feel right in my hand.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:05:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Get the Sig if you want poor customer service and a weapon that will rust and corrode on you. Buy the H&K and don't look back.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:21:01 AM EDT
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In good AR15.Com fashon...Buy Both! I have an HK USP 45 and love it. Have a Sig Pro 2022 in 9mm on order.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:23:32 AM EDT
[#35]
Beretta 92FS
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:24:18 AM EDT
[#36]
Thats because they're not pens or pencils. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:24:41 AM EDT
[#37]
No contest!
 Any caliber you could want, any config, beyond high quality, no MiM, match grade barrels avail., Hogue and wood grips avail., field tested MOTHER APPROVED. <--- P226 whore |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:42:28 AM EDT
[#38]
flip a coin
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Posted: 8/18/2006 11:43:16 AM EDT
[#39]
Oops, fixed it. Good thing the grammar police are here, otherwise we'd be in real trouble!
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Posted: 8/18/2006 12:19:07 PM EDT
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I guess nobody wants my money. You can't find squat in this town anymore. I saw one 229 (which I already have one) and the only H&K was a 2000LEM. I kinda like it since it was different that what I have but it was used and I couldn't see paying 670 for it. I think the Sig226 would be nice if I see one soon. BUt I need to spend this moeny before it gets spent on something else. So right now those are the two options.
JR |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 4:45:00 PM EDT
[#41]
I love my unissued Dallas PD SIG P226/9mm(unissued, sold/traded back to SIG for DAK, purchased under the CPO program). It is very accurate, easily the most accurate handgun I've ever owned,and there's been a bunch. I've yet to have a failure with it of anykind. Its been fed top quality, and down right shitty ammo, and it keeps going.
If you want a 9mm, I'd say P226 or P228, no question, and perhaps arfcom your choice and get both. Now, .45acp is a different story. The only P220 that is worth buying, IMO, is the P220ST. For longevity reasons, I believe a .45acp should have a steel slide and frame. I wouldnt mind the HK, but I fucking despise the mag release. I have tried to like it, but I just cant do it. I think the USPf in .45acp is the finest of the HK USP series, but try concealing it everyday. Sure the P220ST is gonna be heavy, but it will last forever, its grip is superior, and is thinner, it would make a fine carry piece. If you want a .45acp, I say make it a 1911, P220ST, maybe even a S&W 4506/4566. Oh, and all this SIG Sauer love is coming from a lefty. I like where the controls are placed, and I make my SIGs sing on the range. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 4:58:29 PM EDT
[#42]
HK USP: 1911-style 'cock & lock' single-action-only safety.... Easily reconfigurable... I don't hold any 'hard feelings' over HK's modern rifle products & civillians, as I've yet to see anything post-9X series that I'd want to buy (especially their bastardization of the M4)..... |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 5:00:41 PM EDT
[#43]
No, LEM is a light-DAO trigger... GLOCK is a single-action-only trigger with an integral safety & a shitty factory pull that makes people think it's DAO.... |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 5:04:26 PM EDT
[#44]
I have a HK and a glock. Honestly, I like the Glock better than the HK. I keep the HK because it's reliable and accurate, but I like how the Glock shoot better than the HK (the HK has a lot more muzzle flip than the Glock).
Both are as reliable as a pistol can get. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 5:31:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Yes, and yes. I am a long-time Glock shooter who recently got a USP Compact .45 with the LEM trigger. The LEM is similar to a Glock trigger, but it is sufficiently different to require a bit of transition work; within 200 rounds I was very comfortable with it. What will throw you at first is the long, slack take-up before engagement on the LEM. This is only an issue on the first shot, as subsequent shots should be just like the Glock; release the trigger only enough to reset and you're ready for a short, crisp press again. In no time, I found myself "staging" the trigger during the first shot of a presentation; taking up the slack automatically as the finger went on the trigger while the gun was coming up to eye level. It SOUNDS a lot more complicated than it really is, and is absolutely NOTHING to be concerned about. I have been carrying an old faithful Glock 19 since 1995. It has now been relegated to a nightstand gun w/M3X; the USPc .45 is my new EDC piece. The gun shoots AMAZINGLY soft for a .45; I have been very impressed with it. I also have a Sig P220 that is my department issue gun, and have owned/carried a P226 and P228 in the past. No contest; this HK USP Compact is, hands down, the most interesting, usable pistol I've ever owned. Like the Glock 19, and to a lesser extent the P228, the USPc is suitable as a concealed carry OR duty holster (uniform wear) piece. The only downside is the cost of the gun itself, and the cost and relative scarcity of extra magazines. Trust me; its worth the cost and effort. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 7:28:45 PM EDT
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There is a reason that Seal Teams have been using Sig for a long time, probibly because it is the best to be had.
They do use HK too......you can't go wrong with eather. |
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Posted: 8/18/2006 8:59:46 PM EDT
[#47]
HK. Not only do they shoot nice but they look just as good.
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Posted: 8/19/2006 6:54:04 AM EDT
[#48]
Umm.........a bit oversimplified. You'd be hard pressed to find any educated shooter who doesn't at least acknowledge that Sigs are fine combat pistols, even if that shooter prefers another weapon. If your main issue with Sigs boils down to the above statement, then that's pretty thin evidence to support disliking a good product. HKs are great. Some things could be better, many things could be worse. Sigs are great. Some things could be better, many things could be worse. Both have fanatically loyal followers. Shoot both first before buying......or buy both with confidence. |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 6:57:46 AM EDT
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I hope the highlighted facts are still true. I know these things were true about Sigs 5 years ago, but I've been hearing rumors to the contrary lately. Hope they are just that, rumors....... For the record, I love my 229 (made in 2000 ).
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Posted: 8/19/2006 1:31:09 PM EDT
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 I own HKs (USP Compacts in .45ACP and 9MM) and a Sig (P229R DAK in .40S&W). The Sig is of equal or better standing than the HKs are when it comes to QC, etc... Maybe there were some QC issues w/ Sig in the past, but I think that they have been overblown and have turned into intarweb urban legend, as referenced above. Get what you will shoot the best and enjoy it! ETA: If you want a Sig ASAP, I highly recommend Teknic, as he sold me my P229R DAK. Check out the EE or go right to the source at rainierarms.com. He is blowing out his Sig inventory at great prices ~ CPO 226s at $535 just to give you an idea. I picked mine up at $759 shipped. Good luck! |
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