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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:20:33 AM EDT
This probably has been brought up before but a search yielded nothing so...
I was looking scanning the handgun display cases at the local Gander Mountain and I noticed that the price of a new HK USP was maybe $100 more than a new metal framed Sig. I always hear about how great the USP is but the drawbacks are the price and availability. Gander Mt. has maybe 4 USPs in stock and priced not much higher than a SIG. So which is better? I think both are probably excellent handguns but what are the pros and cons of each. If I had the money I would own both but I have no money so I will have to own neither for now  .
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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:32:54 AM EDT
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First, you are shopping at Gander Mountain for a gun. Very seldom have I ever seen a reasonable price on a gun at Gander. You'd probably be better off going to a gunshow and getting it there. I prefer Sig to HK, it just feels better. You need to evaluate your needs, what do you plan on using the gun for? Caliber? Sigs can be had fairly reasonably especially if they're certified pre-owned. Most are LE trade-in guns that have been carried much and shot little. I got my 220 (.45 ACP) for $490 out the door. It's the best handgun I have, it truly is. If you like an external safety then get the USP, if not, Sig might be for you. How many magazines do you want? HK mags are pretty darn expensive, usually about $40 a piece. Sig 220 mags and 226 mags can be had for $20. Try to find somewhere to shoot them both and make your decision by which one works best for you. MJD
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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:51:56 AM EDT
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Oh Gee...
BMW = HK Mercedes = Sig Um.... I ... guess if it were I... I'd go BMW. It really comes down which you shoot / feel best with handling. For me.. I shot in the Police Academy with the Sig 226 - 585 out of 600 and the H&K USP - 593 out of 600. In general I perfer the H&K but you know what... they are both fantastic handguns. In my book the con to the USP is the safety selector (Unless you change it out to a variant 3 / Which makes it Sig like) Though you can also cock & lock a USP like a 1911; also the USP geometry follows that of a 1911. From my experience with Sigs (220, 226, 229s) all have / can get ammo finky. Especially with hard primers such as are used in Subgun ammo. (Click no bang) |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:05:25 AM EDT
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I have never owned a USP. I currently own 4 Sigs. I shoot both well. I prefer the Sig for 3 reasons:
1. No external saftey 2. Natural pointability in my hand 3. Cost In the end you need which ever one is the "extension of your hand" and that you shoot well (and that you can afford). Go to a range where they rent them, and rent them and shoot them back to back and you will know which one is right for you. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:17:30 AM EDT
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I had a USP in 9mm and it was a great gun. If I had the money and went out now though I would probably get a SIG in .45.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:48:37 AM EDT
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I think both are great handguns. That is why I am a very happy SIG and HK owner.
If your on a budget look into the refurbished SIGs that CDNN is selling. Used SIG 220s for $379!!! They also have SIG 229s and 226s if you are looking for a 9mm or .40. Don't buy at Gander unless you want to pay full retail. Shop around, check out a gun show, and if you can't find a SIG or HK for a good price take the CDNN catalog to a FFL and ask them to order you one. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 12:42:52 PM EDT
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I have a USP 45 fullsize and a Sig 229 in .40S&W. I really cant pick one over the other. I think that you will be happy with either. Though my favorite is my Walther P99
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Posted: 8/19/2005 12:47:58 PM EDT
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Both are extremely high quality handguns. Go with whichever suits your hand best. For me it's the Sig (226 series).
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Posted: 8/19/2005 12:58:31 PM EDT
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both are great guns
the SIG is more old school (overall) with thier old school all-metal (except for the polymer line) frames that just feels good to hold while shooting the trigger pull is also VERY nice and smooth (for a DA) the HK i fired was not as smooth on the trigger (they say that the tac and competition modles w/ match triggers are great though) and the polymer frame and nicer controls made it very nice overall, i would get the HK you can get used, excellent condition SIGs just about anywheres, but HKs are tough to get for a good price h/w, SIG mags ARE cheaper and more available......... get BOTH! 
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Posted: 8/19/2005 2:04:32 PM EDT
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I owned a Sig P-220 & sold it.
I own three H&Ks & won't part with any of them. Not to say Sigs are a POS or anything, but H&K is a cut above, IMO. As for availibility, they're easily found at gunshows & gun shops. My .o2 |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 2:51:10 PM EDT
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Only buy pistols at Gander when they have a sale and you have priced them elsewhere
Personally , I'm goin shoppin for a SIG tomorrow - will let you guys know how I do 
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Posted: 8/19/2005 4:11:58 PM EDT
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I like the decocking controls of the Sig better, I like the non brick like grip of the Sig better, I like the rails on the Sig better, I like the mag release of the Sig better. I like the price of the Sig better. I sold a USP Tactical for P226R and could not be happier. Both are accurate and reliable and too big and wide. Both have too high a bore axis.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 5:52:53 PM EDT
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Both are TOO big and TOO expensive...my vote is:
NEITHER! Get a GLOCK! |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 7:59:17 PM EDT
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Odd I find my fullsize USP 9mm as easy to carry as the Glock 19 I used to have and I find my USP .45 much easier to grip and carry than the Glock 20 I had. How are they too big again (HK's at least)? |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:01:58 PM EDT
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  Jesus. Thats the most BS I have ever seen in my entire time on this board. A Glock doesn't even compare to the beauty of an HK or SIG. A Glock would be like a Chevy/Ford while the HK and SIG are your German luxury cars, BMW. When my parents said that they would buy me a pistol in 2003, I had narrowed the choices down quickly, HK and SIG. I had the choice between a SIG P220, P226, and an HK USP all new. While I didn't have the chance to fire all three of my choices I did spend three trips to that local gun shop fondling all of them. In the end I chose the HK USP in .40 S&W, based purely on the following; 1. Grip. The USP offers a very, very secure grip with the use of rough texturing in the polymer. You also get a extended trigger guard for gloves. The result? You ain't gonna let go of this bad boy. 2. The Variant. I can configure my USP nine, count nine different ways. Using only variant one I can carry my USP cocked and locked. I can carry my USP in DA first shot mode like the SIG, with or without a safety, all with only ONE (1) single variant, and there are eight (8) more. 3. Sight. This is very objective since some find the dot and stripe quick on the SIG. The USP features pyramid sights to sub-consciously align the sights quicker. 4. Recoil Reduction System. This helps counter the polymer frame and the high bore axis of the USP. However, more importantly, it extends the service life of the pistol greatly. 5. The USP is actually made in Germany with REAL German proof marks. The SIG P226 I handled didn't have them and that also helped make my decision. Both are excellent pistols. When you are comparing such excellent firearms it becomes really difficult to determine a clear cut winner. You have to become really nit picky. In my opinion, the USP comes out just a teeny tiny bit above the SIG because it has just a few more extra features than the SIG. But you get what you pay for and it is really true, both SIG and HK make perhaps some of the finest production handguns. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 8:02:47 PM EDT
[#15]
I have SIGs and HKs and like them both very much. I found Glocks to be awkward and too bulky for me. As for cost ........ you get what you pay for. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 9:00:54 PM EDT
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I've got a Sig P220 and a H&K USP C, both are .45 ACP. I like the feel and handling of the Sig the best. Also I don't care for the bobbed hammer on the H&K. But, I'm keeping both of them.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 9:45:37 PM EDT
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I like HK USP's a lot. I'd love to get a USP Tac in .45 someday. Heres why I probably won't anytime soon though. A Sig P220R or ST is less expensive new (though still pretty expensive), mags are MUCH less expensive, and its just as accurate.
Sigs fit my hand better, though I like the way both feel in the hand. None of my Sigs has EVER had a weapon or ammo related malfunction of any kind, and I am not good to them as far as regular maintenence. New factory mags for all Sigs costs about $20 less per mag than HK. Used Sigs that perform every bit as well as new can be had in abundance for under $500. So now you can have the gun, 5 extra mags, 2 holsters and ammo for the cost of new. The polygolal rifling in the HK can lead to problems if you ever shoot cast bullets. Not saying I don't like HK, I do, and when a good deal for one comes along, I will snag it, but Sigs are better pistols, even if money isn't an option. And when money is a concern, used Sigs are much easier to find, and very good values. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:59:51 PM EDT
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At this point, I'd like to turn this around, and point out the fact that they are not too expensive...you're just too cheap. I perfer HK simply because of the versatility. You can carry hammer cocked or decocked...with the safety on or off in any position. Sigs...well, they only have a decocker, and I like a consistent trigger pull. Therefore, HK gets my vote, hammer back safety on. Scott |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 7:23:18 AM EDT
[#20]
I just picked up this gem yesterday, took it strait to the range, and I'm estatic. Accurate and smooth. I paid $672 from CDNN + $10 for shipping and $25 for the transfer.
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Posted: 8/20/2005 10:40:51 AM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 8/20/2005 11:30:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:47:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Nothing beats a Sig.
I like HK's too, but sigs have my vote. Love meh p228 |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 2:55:38 PM EDT
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According to the members on 10-8Forums.com, SIG has been experiencing significant production issues lately.
www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5917&an=0&page=1#5917 A pre-owned SIG (by that I mean the older production models) should be fine though. In my opinion, go with the one that you feel most comfortable with. This is a question that you have to answer for yourself. Regards, Justin |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:24:44 PM EDT
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HK is a $550 gun being sold for $700-$800 dollars. This is a fact, not an opinion.
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:28:45 PM EDT
[#26]
get both, it's the only way to be sure
 
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:31:19 PM EDT
[#27]
I haved owned both. The only factor that will make me choose one over the other is how I feel at that moment. You cannot make a legitimate argument that one is better than the other. It's simply a matter of personal preference, and of course, how they fit your hand. I look forward to buying more of each later on down the road... |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:39:28 PM EDT
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I seemed to have missed the memo that made you the deciding poobah on H&K values & pricing. Care to post it for all of us to read, please???? |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:46:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Oh, I forgot - YMMV. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:23:46 PM EDT
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No it is your opinion and until your produce proof that it is fact, it will remain so. Go play with your GLOCK and let the intelligent people with actual experience post their opinions so the topic starter can make a better informed decision. I posted some actual information on page one in my post so that I could help someone out. You have posted nothing at all aside from an opinion that is likely to stir up the flamming. Great job! |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:36:41 PM EDT
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I have been predominantly a SIG guy, but I'm thinking seriously of adding a fullsize USP to the collection if I run across a good deal on one.
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:40:11 PM EDT
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I base my opinion on my personal experience with HK. I have owned four HK's over the years (I keep selling them and buying them again  ), and have had some issues with their pistols. I don't own a Glock right now.Let me rephrase what I said in my last post. I don't believe that HK makes a product that is superior in any way to other pistols that are available for $500. Now I'm off to play with my Glock 
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:45:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Well at least you corrected yourself, thats a start. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:58:46 PM EDT
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I sold my H&K USPC .40 to buy a Sig P229 in .40. I simply shoot it better. I am so so with the H&K on a combat course. Too much muzzle flip. I am much better with the Sig.
Bob |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 7:24:01 PM EDT
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That's silly... Okay lets play this goofy game. The price of a mill steel handgun such as the 1911 is $295 .... Thats a fact. Then they sell it for $750. So what... I think the fact is this topic really ended on page 1. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 7:36:40 PM EDT
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 youz guyz is soooo sensitive...I must have hit a nerve! Here's my apology:BOTH SUCK! GET A GLOCK!
There fixed it for 'ya! |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 9:16:41 PM EDT
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 Now there is a person who has never seen a quality handgun in his life Don't compromise, and get an HK. Cant say anything about a SIG, never shot one personally, but definately stay away from a Anyone who would say that a Glock is a superior weapon would not know a quality firearm if it bit them in the ass. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 9:38:44 PM EDT
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My vote right now is for the HK P2000. I like it better than the USPs and Sigs.
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Posted: 8/20/2005 9:53:14 PM EDT
[#39]
+1 Glock is the superior weapon. |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 12:16:12 AM EDT
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Weapons I will get in the next year:
H&K USP .45ACP (either full size or compact) H&K G36C 5.56mm (form 1 SBR'ed / semi only) Nuff said........ |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 8:02:20 AM EDT
[#41]
This debate is more intense then Ford v Chevy H&K
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Posted: 8/21/2005 8:52:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Ok, here is an analogy for that then Glock -  SIG -  HK -   
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Posted: 8/21/2005 9:29:39 AM EDT
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Aw c'mon. I just bought an H&K full size .45 and I agree it's awsome. But I also have a Glock 30 I use as my carry weapon and it's a great weapon too. Very accurate and very dependable. The sub compact Glock conceals very easily with shorts and a tee. And it's hard to beat the 10 rd capasity for a .45. |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 9:30:33 AM EDT
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Thanks for your replies guys, eventually I will get both
 . For now the most realistic next handgun for me is a Sig Pro. I'd love a real Sig or an HK but the money just isn't there.Another thing, why do Glock snobs feel they need to hijack every thread about handguns. I ask a question about HK and Sig and I get people in here telling me to get a Glock. That fine if you like Glocks, but this thread has nothing to do with Glocks. I already have made my choice about internal hammer DAO pistols, and that is why the only centerfire pistol I currently own is a Springfield Armory XD-9 .
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Posted: 8/21/2005 9:35:17 AM EDT
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Thats a good question. I did my best to help fight them off for ya though, didnt want your decision to be clouded by idiocy. Hope you like your new Sig Pro. |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 9:36:47 AM EDT
[#46]
Please support your claim with facts. |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 10:16:15 AM EDT
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Becuase HK and Sig snobs hijack all the Glock threads. Overall value and quality compared to any other handgun on the market. Glock is it. HK and SIg are fine weapons, but Glock is better IMHO and I have been shooting guns for 22 years. And yes, I have shot and/or owned a HK and a Sig. So all you airsoft HK fanatics can learn something here. Im out and done with this thread. |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 11:14:33 AM EDT
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I have shot both the USP and a Sig 226 both in .40S&W and I personally like the Sig better. The grip is not as rough on the Sig so for my purposes ( indoor range trips) I do not see the real need for something rough. The Sig does have enough texture though that you will not drop it. I also have no real need to carry cocked and locked so I do not need that feature. The recoil reduction system of the USP feels to me like the gun recoils twice for every one shot which makes target aquisition for follow up shots harder. The way the USP is made to "lead the eye" toward the sights actually draws my eye up and over the sights. The dots are nice but I shoot better with the Sig sights. I think both are good quality handguns. Since I recently purchased a Sig 226 I would probably buy a USP next just to complete the collection of fine handguns. As for the German thing, you have some serious mangina problems if you think that everything from cars to guns needs to be made in Germany. The Berettas are not made in Germany and neither are Colts and apparently our government thinks that they are good enough to supply our troops with them.
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Posted: 8/21/2005 1:01:49 PM EDT
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I don't think anyone is surprised that the Glock fanatics have the lowest reading comprehension out of all gun lovers.hould
Glock lover: "Glock 19 is the best gun ever!!11!" If only there was a way to trap them in the Glock forum. |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 1:09:33 PM EDT
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For the same reasons, Sig wins for me. I don't like a thumb safety, I like all metal. Have had a few HKs and Sigs. Both reliable, excellent pistols. I still have the Sigs, don't have the HKs anymore. I like the HK pistols in general, but the Sigs ergo's suit me more. Just more natural. |
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