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Posted: 10/10/2004 7:21:35 PM EST
Which would you have, if given the choice between these two (only)
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 7:38:46 PM EST
Ruger ALL the way. And get it in .45 while you are at it.
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 8:08:17 PM EST
neither
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 8:11:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 8:23:24 PM EST
Ruger.
Smith and Wesson blows chunks.
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 8:49:12 PM EST
i'll take a knife thanks. how is it that two companies that make outstanding revolvers can't make an auto pistol for shit. i'd still take a ruger auto over a taurus.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 12:45:04 AM EST
I have an S&W 4006 from around '93 or so. The only time it ever has problems is if I limp wrist. It's been a good gun.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 4:18:02 AM EST
i'd choose the heaviest one . That way when it fails i could beat the BG with it.


J
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:17:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 6:26:28 AM EST
After owning S&W 6906 for a few years I'd say its junk, but reliable junk.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 7:09:17 AM EST
I would never buy a S&W, if I did it would be the 4 inch 500 for kicks...A Ruger P90 is a good gun, and a good caliber. If you need a cheap gun that works better than most guns in its price range, get the ruger.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 9:35:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By netwt12:
i'll take a knife thanks. how is it that two companies that make outstanding revolvers can't make an auto pistol for shit. i'd still take a ruger auto over a taurus.



+1

the smith 1911 seems pretty decent though. everything else is junk. 1st time i tried to shoot a smith auto i had to make sure the safety was off, the trigger pull was so long.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 11:55:00 AM EST
The S&W autos are great! I see lots of bashing, but no one giving any evidence as to why they don't work. My go to is a S&W 4006. It's always gone bang when I've shot it. My 745 is a fun little SA only gun in 45. I like the feel and weight of the S&W stainless autos versus say a Glock (little too light for my take, but still good handguns) and such.

Never had an experience with Ruger - I can't comment. I don't like the way they fit in my hand though.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 1:55:19 PM EST
Get a Ruger, it might not look great, but it will always work.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 1:58:51 PM EST
(1st Hand Knowledge)

In the Academy we had two major failures with Smith Autos. The first was a discharge with the Handgun being hit on the cement; no finger on trigger. Smith had a recall and the officer had to send it back. The 2nd was the safety lever coming apart from the slide and parts starting to hit the ground during quals.

(2nd Hand Knowledge)

During the late 90s there was a shooting in Newport Beach Ca where two officers carrying the same model Smith Auto (been a while would have to look up model) failed to fire; both officers were shot. Later it was determined the orange followers in the magazines of the Smiths actually had seized in the mag of both officers magazines! Smith from my understanding had feed issues with this type of mag and changed the design.

(1st Hand Knowlede)

We had officers carying Rugers. Never seen a Ruger do anything it was not suppose to do. Rugers are moderately accurate. Rugers are built like a brick and some would say feel like one in the hand. They are very well priced. They do nothing more or less than they are suppose to do.

My opinion is if the SW Autos or Rugers are the choice...... Ruger

Link Posted: 10/11/2004 2:01:24 PM EST
Depends on the model but I always thought S&W 3913 compact and 3906 full size pistols were both excellent pistols. I never cared about their hi-cap pistols. I never liked Ruger pistols but mainly due to their ugly shape.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 2:07:08 PM EST
only from my personal experience Smith and Wesson Ruger triggers and design is much worse than smith and wesson
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 2:09:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2004 2:09:58 PM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 3:06:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By netwt12:
i'll take a knife thanks. how is it that two companies that make outstanding revolvers can't make an auto pistol for shit. i'd still take a ruger auto over a taurus.



I still don't understand why people say stupid, worthless shit like this. I've never, ever had a jam, fte, ftf, or any problem with my rugers.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 3:25:08 PM EST
I have exactly zero use for Ruger autos. We had so many problems with reliability with the P89s that we banned them years ago...the damned safety levers would refuse to work at all! They feel like a brick and point like a quart milk bottle! The S&Ws, while not what I would describe as the "best" are surely head and shoulders above the Rugers...even the newest M345.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 3:55:14 PM EST
I'd take a SW99. Shot one a while back and was dead on with it. Suprised the heck out of me.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 3:59:28 PM EST
SMith and wesson by far. I have had several S&Ws and they have all worked like clocks. I still carry a 3914 if the .45 or the Glock 29 are too big.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 5:00:53 PM EST
I have a S&W 4006 and it has been very reliable. Trigger took a long time to get used to though
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 2:13:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By purplecheese:
The S&W autos are great! I see lots of bashing, but no one giving any evidence as to why they don't work. My go to is a S&W 4006. It's always gone bang when I've shot it. My 745 is a fun little SA only gun in 45. I like the feel and weight of the S&W stainless autos versus say a Glock (little too light for my take, but still good handguns) and such.

Never had an experience with Ruger - I can't comment. I don't like the way they fit in my hand though.



I dont buy S&W for political reasons. Same reason I dont shop at Kmart.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 2:36:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 2:37:51 PM EST by --bullseye--]
Between the 2, i'd take the Ruger
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 2:42:48 PM EST
Ruger 9mm Carbine......PC9!


Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:50:17 PM EST
I have both brands (as well as many others). Never had any kind of problem with a Ruger P series or a Smith & Wesson. Ever. (on the other hand I have never ever had a 1911 work out of the box...ever...quit wasting my time with that design)

Currently I shoot my stainless Ruger P94 9mm more accurately than I do my Beretta 92FS and my XD-357. It is what I keep on the nightstand. Don't shoot the P97 very often because I prefer shooting 9mm but at 15 yards I have no problem of any kind wripping a nice big hole in the bullseye. I CCW a stainless S&W 908 9mm. Also accurate and boringly reliable. Being light it does have more muzzle flip than something larger or heavier but that is to be expected.

For the money..I recommend a Ruger if buying new.
S&W "value" line such as the 910, 410 and 908 are also cost effective...and there are a lot of used S&W deals available.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:28:39 PM EST
My SW1911 has been super. Out of the box 1911 that is %100 reliable and very accurate. Having said that, none of my buds that own Ruger autos have ever had a problem with them, just stay away from aftermarket mags.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:19:40 PM EST
Ruger P-series. Only kinda accurate, very reliable, quite cheap. Bill Ruger was a sellout, would never buy another. I had a P97, was my first handgun.

SW autos. Except for the SW1911, none appeal to me. Politically they have made some bad moves in the past. Better now. SW makes revolvers, stick to them.

SIGs can be had cheap on the used market and are MUCH better than both. Get one and never look back. You get what you pay for, and more.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:23:26 PM EST
I'll take a nice knife or an ASP before these choices.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:53:38 PM EST
I had a Smith 5904 in 9mm, Its was ok never had a problem wih it. I did not like the trigger and that decocker thing Traded it towards a Kimber and Im glad I did. My brother has a Ruger p90 type pistol in .45 It has never jammed and he hardly cleans it, nothing has ever broke on it. Its a good workhorse just lacks in the accuracy department. But then again I am comparing it to a Kimber.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:33:49 AM EST
I have a couple differant S&Ws autos and I love them all. Never had a problem with function or feel. I hope people KEEP feeling they are crap so I can buy more of them cheaply. My dad's P89 and buddies P90 aren't the prettiest but they always go bang and are"ok" to shoot overall.

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 6:19:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar15zams:

Originally Posted By netwt12:
i'll take a knife thanks. how is it that two companies that make outstanding revolvers can't make an auto pistol for shit. i'd still take a ruger auto over a taurus.



I still don't understand why people say stupid, worthless shit like this. I've never, ever had a jam, fte, ftf, or any problem with my rugers.




because we've seen many, many piss poor auto coming from these companies. did you notice we're not bashing the companies themselves, although some might say they deserve it, but product lines within the company? just because your rugers work doesn't mean the line as a whole doesn't produce a preponderance of junk.

an opinion was requested. an assload of educated opinions was proferred.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 1:49:18 PM EST
Well people that are saying Rugers suck probably have either never owned one, basing their opinion soley on hear say or decided to hate Ruger because somebody decided to post a topic recently called "Fuck Ruger" because they think they're anti-gun. Yeah Ruger is as anti-gun as G.M. is anti-automobile. That was the stupidest post I'd ever read. I have a Ruger P94 .40 and in 6 years that gun has not had 1 malfuntion of any kind, NONE(If that makes a gun suck, I want more guns that suck)! How many S&W semi-auto owners, or owners of any other brand can say that without lying? I've only had one chance to shoot a S$W .45 but I couldn't because it would not quit jamming. That may not be typical, but this one sucked. My friend found a sucker to sell it to because it said S&W on it.

So to answer the question, RUGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 3:44:03 AM EST
Man, I'm surprised at how many guys seem to hate the S&W semi-autos.

I'm a LEO and I own a 5906 that used to be my duty gun (now we have Glock 23s). I also have a 5904 that I bought a long time ago.

They are both excellent pistols. 100% reliable and VERY accurate. What more can you ask for?
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 6:46:43 AM EST
choices:

1) sw1911
2) sw99
3) most any other sw
4) ruger.


Whatever you do, don't carry a ruger in the bathroom. Your wife might mistake it for a hairdryer and blow her brains out........
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 12:40:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By Outlaw_6:
Man, I'm surprised at how many guys seem to hate the S&W semi-autos.

I'm a LEO and I own a 5906 that used to be my duty gun (now we have Glock 23s). I also have a 5904 that I bought a long time ago.

They are both excellent pistols. 100% reliable and VERY accurate. What more can you ask for?



+1

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 12:52:01 PM EST
NEITHER!!!!!!!!

S&W has yet to come out w/ a good semi-auto, H/w i would get a s&W 1911 if i didnot have a choice

ruger might be ok, but there company SUCKS!!
i will never get anything ruger.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 1:00:24 PM EST
I have owned multiples of each over the years - no problems with any of them. I still own multiple S&W autos (and revolvers, for that matter), but none of them are my primary carry-gun. (A S&W 9mm is my wife's primary carry-gun, however.) I got rid of all of my Ruger autos - but I am strongly considering buying the new 345 very soon...

BOTTOM LINE: I would use/trust either; neither is my first choice; between the two, personally I would choose S&W. YMMV.
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