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Posted: 9/2/2005 12:35:59 PM EDT
Can the trigger or an aftermarket trigger be worked on to the 1lb area?
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2.5 is usually as low as you would won't to go and that is with an aftermarket. The stock trigger components aren't verygood or worth the trouble if you are going to spend $ on a trigger job. Clark triggers are ok but they are not a " Drop In Item".
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When Clark installs one of their triggers, they do more than just install it. A complete trigger job is performed; oversize pins, shims, an external pretravel stop, and an overtravel stop are installed. The sear and hammer surfaces are polished and stoned to improve the engagement surfaces. |
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When Clark installs one of their triggers, they do more than just install it. A complete trigger job is performed; oversize pins, shims, an external pretravel stop, and an overtravel stop are installed. The sear and hammer surfaces are polished and stoned to improve the engagement surfaces. Hence " Not just a drop in item " for the average home GS. |
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So I guess your answer to my question about having ever ACTUALLY WORKED ON a Mark II trigger would be NO. |
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I guess you can't read or comprehend hell you even say it isn't a drop in trigger ! Geez get a life !!! |
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I have not posted, inferred, or implied that a Clark Mark II trigger required fitting. It is and has always been a drop-in item. Period. A Clark trigger and a trigger job by Clark are two different things. The Clark trigger by itself offers very little improvement on the trigger pull of a Mark II. A trigger job by Clark is a package of machine services, namely the re-machining of the hammer and sear surfaces for a different geometry. Perhaps you should also seek to improve or increase your apparently limited knowledge of gunsmithing in addition to your rather poor reading skills. Replies like yours are precisely why the internet will never have the measure of credibility it deserves. |
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Since I have TWO Rugers with Clark triggers in them I have to agree with Tangeant. Clark triggers can be purchased from Brownell's(That is where the first one came from) and from Gil Hebard(#2).
Clark triggers are cast steel and machined, Ruger triggers are pot metal and do not have a set screw. If you swap your Ruger trigger for a Clark trigger, you get a shitty Ruger trigger pull with over travel adjustment and a little less trigger slop. The Clark trigger is wider and normally will not fit in the trigger slot without a little work, the pin holes are always tight and need a little fitting as well. It needs to be installed in conjunction with a trigger job to get a nice 2 pound trigger.(NRA legal competition weight is 2 pounds). One pound is kind of light, most guys will do that for you, but it can be unsafe. I paid $15 for the trigger and $60 for the work last fall. Clark does not have to personally install a trigger to call it a "Clark trigger". He has been dead for a while now. Any decent gunsmith should be able to do a first class job. Ruger does not do factory service on guns with any sort of modification, including trigger jobs. They will not service your gun after you do this. |
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Any more BULLSHIT you'd like to post? |
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Wow, I did not realize you were here when I had my trigger jobs done or when I bought a half a dozen Clark triggers last year and gave them to my gunsmith. I was there when we started fiddling with my Ruger and none of the triggers was "drop-in". Just replacing the trigger did not change a lot either.
I have always had outstanding service from Ruger. One of the local guys sent a rifle with a Timney trigger back and got it returned with a note saying they did not work on "modified guns". Maybe you already knew about this as well, since you appear you know everything. You probably bought the supressed gun so that the report would not distract you from constantly offering your overbearing opinion to all within earshot. Since you appear to read rather well, here is the trigger information from Clark's website,
I am sure you think they got it wrong as well, you can contact them at; www.clarkcustomguns.com/22sdtls.htm#rugersteel I am sure they will defer to your opinion. |
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You are quite the simpleton, thats ok it happens to people who are dropped on their heads as children.
In other places besides your head, triggers are called,"parts", they are not complete guns. It is possible to buy more parts than you need because somebody may want to use the parts in someone elses gun. Imagine how nice it would be here today if your dad had just one more rubber on that Saturday night oh so long ago. They put it in writing, hence the word, "NOTE". My guns work fine. Why would calling Ruger help me? Should I tell them "loopy Lester from Arfcom" sent me???
Since you are describing gunsmith work required to get a Clark Trigger to fit a Ruger and work properly, it appears that it is not "drop in". Apparently YOUR gunsmith and his sister, myself and Tangeant and the makers of the "Clark trigger" all agree that some work is required to make the trigger fit and a trigger job is required to make the end result a light crisp pull. You have spent nearly three weeks arguing that no gunsmith work is required and you had to have a GUNSMITH put your triggers in your guns for you. Please tell us why the trigger will fit in MrMaeda's gun without any fitting or tuning of any kind? As mentioned in this thread, it did not fit in four of yours, two of mine and one of Tangeants without some tuning and when the manufactors of the part say it will not "drop in". Oh, and if MrMaeda is still here someplace, I think I have one new in the bag, Clark Trigger in my parts box. I think it was 15 bucks, email me if you want it. Just don't be upset when it does not "drop in" and magically produce a 1 pound trigger pull. Contact Lester for the "magic" trigger. |
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This thread makes me want to buy another Model 41 S&W.
No offense Tangeant |
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In the end, I don't think that any of them really disagree with the other, but they have all just pissed each other off so much that they refuse to listen. Sad thread for the tech forums.. SBG |
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Simply installing a Clark trigger doesn't do squat for a Mark II. It'll drop right in, but you'll still have the side-to-side slop present; shimming and installing oversize pins removes most of that. The factory TARGET versions of the Mark II trigger have an internal pre-travel screw (the standard versions just have extra slop). It's adjusted from the factory, but if you ever perform or have performed a trigger job, you may want to change the adjustment. Performing "try" fitting of the pre-travel adjustment is just a pain in the ass on the factory trigger; the gun and the trigger have to be disassembled, adjusted, reassembled, tried, repeated as necessary, etc. By installing the pre-travel screw in an external position life becomes much easier. The whole idea of installing any aftermarket trigger is to remove the slop, though I have seen gunsmiths install them without adding a pre-travel stop. The Clark triggers are available with and without overtravel stops. Adding one isn't much of an issue to the Ruger factory unit, nor is adding one to a Clark unit that didn't originally have it. There seem to be some popular misconceptions about Ruger's service policies -- i.e., BULLSHIT -- that keep getting passed around and repeated as fact without ever verifying. I own a fairly large number of Ruger firearms, Red Labels, Model 77s, Number 1s, Mark IIs, an AC556, etc. I also talk to Ruger's service facilities fairly regularly for part orders, service advice, etc. I can assure you that they don't "void" warranties -- Ruger firearms don't have a warranty and they haven't supplied one in many years. Ruger will service firearms -- even modified firearms -- and assess any charges at their discretion. If you act like a horse's ass, I'd expect you'll receive the appropriate service in return from Ruger. If you're a nice guy -- like me for instance -- you'll get top-notch service and a fast turn around. |
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No offense taken I guess we are all rguing over semantics ! " Clark triggers are ok but they are not a " Drop In Item" . Anyone who has put in a Clark Trigger should know it isn't exactly a " Drop in Item " even though they say it is. Sometimes they do drop right in ( trigger fits in trigger cut out in lower and disconnector pin fits hole in trigger ) and sometimes they don't . On top of that you still need to do an actuall trigger job. I didn't feel it necessary to write a full page to answer the original question nor did I say anything in my orig post about a trigger job actually done By Clark which is a top notch Ruger T job . |
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