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Posted: 3/26/2009 5:01:52 PM EDT
Some say you never have to worry about an integral coming lose, while others say if there's any damage to your integral you're stuck. I'm in the process of ordering a Caspian frame for a build, and need to make a decision. I'd like some input from those who have real experience with both types, and any issues that you may have had with them. In all the years I've carried/used 1911-style guns I've never had a staked tube come loose, but I've also never started with a bare frame. Thanks.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 5:06:00 PM EDT
Integral.

If you have a problem with it you could always machine it down and place holes for a staked one.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 5:07:48 PM EDT
I have an integral tube on my Nighthawk and a staked tube on my Springfield. The tube on my Springfield came loose once during cleaning. A trip to Springfield and it hasn't had an issue since.

I'd say go with the integral tube. If it gets damaged (somehow in a way that everything else is fine), you can always machine it off and stake on a tube.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 7:32:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 8:59:31 PM EDT
If you're really worried about it, why not integral?

I figure anything bad enough to crunch an integral plunger tube would pretty much crush the frame too.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 9:15:34 PM EDT
I would say just get a standard frame and stake the plunger tube on properly. It won't go anywhere.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 6:22:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WiseguyThreeOne:
If you're really worried about it, why not integral?

I figure anything bad enough to crunch an integral plunger tube would pretty much crush the frame too.


I'm not "worried" about it. Just thought I would look at the options, pro and con, since I'm starting with a bare frame.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 6:59:01 AM EDT
I'd go with integral if it's an option, but staked is fine if done right as others have said. I wouldn't worry about damaging an integral plunger tube, though I'm curious if anyone has heard of that happening, and how it happened.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 6:59:18 AM EDT
Larry Vickers, noted 1911 pistolsmith and firearms instructor, has stated that one of the weak points of the 1911 design is the plunger tube. Go with the integral plunger tube.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 10:53:49 PM EDT
And the Caspian integral plunger tube frame is the same one Vickers spec'ed for the Nighthawk pistol that bore his name. Caspian was Nighthawk's OEM.

If you can get it done, why not?
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 11:22:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2009 11:33:39 PM EDT by Oro]
I am totally with WiseguyThreeOne on this one. I have three Caspians and on one of them, I deeply regret not getting the integral as the staked is now loose.

I also agree with his prior analysis - if it's going to wreck your tube, that hit is also going to wreck your slide, or at least slide/frame fit. Whoever came up with that rationale - "in case it's damged" just hasn't banged around 1911's very long, or has an unrealistic opinion about how "exposed" a plunger tube is. It is protected behind the left grip panel first of all, for gosh sakes.
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