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Posted: 4/19/2011 7:26:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2011 7:38:21 PM EDT by RibEye3]
I've been looking at buying my first handgun and I've narrowd it down to a Glock or an XD. I don't want to get into the argument on which is better at this point. I'm going to shoot them both this weekend.
But what I would like to get into is .40 vs 9mm. This gun will be for personal defense and just shooting. No magazine restrictions

I want to know why you chose the caliber you did.

I know some of you will say get both, but that is not a financial option.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:30:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2011 7:33:39 PM EDT by tumtum1]
Ha this is becoming a weekly thread. All you will get out of this is opinions, not facts.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:32:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RibEye3:
Does anybody have any suggestions on which one I should choose with evidence to back it up.


Oh boy here we go
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:35:15 PM EDT
what is the intended purpose of the gun? and do you have magazine size restrictions?
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:35:24 PM EDT
cant find one by searching
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:40:05 PM EDT
You might as well have a discussion about Glock vs M&P vs XD.  You will get the same result.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:47:49 PM EDT
Get an M&P 40c instead.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:47:50 PM EDT
Went with 9mm, less recoil, quicker follow up shots, more accurate for me at longer distances with more speed.
Oh and the hollow point expansion is almost the same size as the .40;  being a 10mm fan I do not have much love for the .40 in todays climate.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:48:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2011 7:49:24 PM EDT by 22LR]
Originally Posted By tumtum1:
Ha this is becoming a weekly thread. All you will get out of this is opinions, not facts.



+1

i will give you one tho that wont come up.

i chose the 9mm cuz the 40 Short and Whimpy wasnt around when i decided to buy 9s.  10mm came along several years later and i also choose the 10.  But to step down to 40 S&W isnt an option since my 9s and 10s are just fine.  dont want or need to spend more $$ on the 40.  i got all of the calibers i want/need.





Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:48:08 PM EDT
I'd go with a .40 so you have the option of getting a 9mm barrel for it in the future if shooting .40cal gets too expensive. Honestly, the .40 should have an edge over 9mm since it's pushing a heavier bullet at similar velocities to the 9mm.

Link Posted: 4/19/2011 7:49:34 PM EDT
i went 9mm because it's cheaper and that is what Glocks were originally designed for.



anyone who says 9mm isn't strong enough, please volunteer to get shot with one.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 8:33:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2011 8:37:43 PM EDT by spectre3]
I went with a g17, obviously in 9mm bc its effective with modern hollow point ammo, and its cheaper. However, I have found that in my area, decent 9mm ammo( practice or defensive) is hard to find bc everyone shoots 9mm. For this reason, I'm looking at switching to a g22, which is .40 since ammo is always readily available and all the local PDs shoot  g22s( one less thing for a lawyer to try to get me with if I ever need to defend myself)
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 9:01:28 PM EDT
The only benefit of 9mm TO ME is that it is about $3 cheaper per box of 50 rounds (around here) and HPs have 25 per box instead of 20. The extra 1 or 2 rounds in a mag isn't a big deal to me and neither is the .40 "muzzle flip." I find that I shoot the .40 better. And the hole in the bad guy will be bigger. Maybe not by much but still bigger. Also, some say the penetration of barriers is better with .40 (i personally have not seen any proof of this.) I do own both calibers, but I use my G23 for work and my G27 for CCW. My 9mm barely gets used. There seems to be die hard fans for both sides. Weigh the pros and cons and pick which is best for you.

BOOM!  End thread!
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 9:23:41 PM EDT
I live in California, so I'm stuck with a 10 round limit. At the time I was under the impression that 9mm was still weak as hell and I didn't want to trust my life to a weak round, and if I had only 10 rounds per mag, they were gonna be the biggest round I could comfortably handle. That was my line of thinking when I bought my Glock 23.
Link Posted: 4/19/2011 9:35:42 PM EDT
Get both.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:18:07 AM EDT
cheaper ammo, higher capacity and lighter recoil!
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:31:31 AM EDT
Go here http://www.winchester.com/Products/le/Pages/ammunition-testing.aspx

You will see that ballistics and expanded size of both rounds are nearly the same in similar weights (Say 147gr Vs. 180gr). Except .40 has 1.5x more recoil, less capacity and is more expensive to shoot. I find .40 to be a pointless caliber, which was created to fill a void that no longer exists with modern ammunition. When requiring something more than 9mm, I'll step to .45+p or 10mm.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 2:58:55 AM EDT
I have all 3, because I want to.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 3:22:24 AM EDT
I chose .40 S&W because popular internet memes regarding it being short and weak and possessing low capacity and excessive recoil,  are for suckers.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 7:28:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 7:36:39 AM EDT
I went with .40 because I can get it easier. If I could get 9mm easier, I would have chosen that. I don't thing there's that much of a difference.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 8:26:30 AM EDT
I went with 9mm because it's more affordable to train with.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 8:29:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sique:
Get both.


Yeah, really.................
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 8:36:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2011 8:37:42 AM EDT by Hunterdoggie]
You need to buy American...

.40 all the way.  THe 9 is in the European measurments.





Or how about all of the .40 fanboys that tell everyone "if it don't start with a 4 it aint shit".  

To me a pistol round is pretty much equal all the way around.  I am dictated by finance now so my vote is for the 9.


ETA: spelling
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 9:01:33 AM EDT
9mm cause of price, 1000 rounds can be bought for around $200 if youre good at finding deals

and cause a 9mm hollow point will effectively do its job. If it doesnt, the other 14 (or so) behind it will.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 9:42:37 AM EDT
I got dragged into adopting the .40.  My dad always liked it, but I never shot a handgun in .40 that I really liked until I shot my brother's XD40.  Then I was given a Glock 22, which I like even better than the XD, so it was a no brainer.

I never liked the 9mm - though it's a nice cartridge to shoot, accurate as any.  Always preferred .45 ACP.  But the .40 occupies a nice niche in between - similar in size and capacity while still being "more" than the 9mm.

I usually find the .40's recoil "snappy" but it seems pretty gentle and controllable in the Glock.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 10:23:45 AM EDT
I fent with 9mm because of price of ammo is much less than that of 40, 357Sig and 45ACP.

Page 2 ownage.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 10:31:37 AM EDT
9mm because price and I can load them hotter than I need.

If you don't care about the price difference you're either filthy rich or (more likely) not shooting enough.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 10:47:30 AM EDT
Pick a caliber you want and find some one who makes a gun you like in that caliber. With that said, I own a glock 19 and my wife owns a xd sub compact in 9mm. My 4 in barrel and 15 round mag weighs less than her 3 in barrel with 10 rounds. If its  something you are going to carry every day think about how the weight will affect your willingness to carry. I bought my glock 9mm before the 40 caught on and still havent regretted it. I can shoot more for less and modern hollow points make it comparable to 40. Is it a 40? no. but a .40 isnt a 45 either and a hand gun isnt a rifle. Get something you are comfortable shooting and shoot it enough to hit what you are aiming at.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 11:23:43 AM EDT
I'd go with the 9mm.  Cheaper to practice with, and quality Self-Defense ammo will take down any badguy.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 11:24:09 AM EDT
9mm

1. Its what i shoot in the military
2. Capacity
3. Quick follow up shots
4. cheap and readily available ammo to train
5. +P ammo narrows the gap between effectiveness
6. I like .45 and thus i dont feel the need for 3 calibers

Personally, its a toss up that only you can decide. I vote to figure out what gun you want, then rent it in all calibers desired and see which one you shoot the best. And how much you are going to shoot matters for price of ammo as well. I'd much rather have a 9 i train with weekly than a 10 (or 40) i shoot only a few hundred rounds a year through.

Link Posted: 4/20/2011 11:43:08 AM EDT
9mm Glock is the only answer in my opinion.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:12:18 PM EDT
After getting my CCW right out of college before my first job in the big city I called my favorite gun store. I asked if they had a G26, (9mm), and the guys said yes. I make the 30 minute drive only to find the G26 was really a G27, (.40). I was pissed that it was a mistake but the guy was a good salesman and talked me into buying it though I never shot a .40 before but had 9mm. I took it to the range and was happy. There was no horrible recoil or flash and it didn't make my hand go numb like from shooting like some idiots told me would happen. The pistol was extremely accurate even for a sub compact and at best had 20% more recoil than two friends G26's that came to shoot with me. So the two pistols, the G26 and G27 shooting them interchangeably became a great judge of comparison between the two calibers. At the end of the day....... I was happy with the .40 caliber. I lost 1 round in comparison to the G26 with the G27. The .40 is a hard hitting round, easy to come by, cheap enough, and exaggerated recoil was then disquieted when shooting the exact same gun in the two calibers. There is a reason why the majority of police departments have adopted the .40 caliber. OP, practice is the real game changer. Be sure to practice and get some training. Make sure your gun is reliable before you strap it in a holster and leave the house. Personally, I don't trust any firearm until I have 500 rounds down range with ZERO malfunctions. I suggest you do the same.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:40:12 PM EDT
I have both. Walther PPS in 9mm and .40. The 9mm is the wife's gun, and the .40 is my CCW. I bought it because the PPS does not come in .45 ACP.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:40:48 PM EDT
I went with 9mm, .40 and .45 auto.  I like all three and can shoot all three relatively well.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:43:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2011 1:45:13 PM EDT by Fields_Overseer]
9mm, only edge .40 has is barriers, which a good 147 grain 9mm does not suck at by any means, but .40 deflects less through auto glass and such.  9mm is cheaper, and you have greater capacity with it.

Studies have shown no significant difference between wounds from 9mm/.40/.45.  They all perform close enough to weigh in other factors(followups, capacity, ammo cost=how much will you train).

That being said, I went .40 cause the gun I wanted was not made in 9mm... might get a 9 slide in the future.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 1:49:35 PM EDT
I want to know why you chose the caliber you did.


I chose 9mm. It's on par with a .38, but I have many more bangs before reloading. As a former cabbie experience has taught me I'd face multiple attackers with ZERO help, so the most shots of a reasonable horsepower level I can get in one gun at one time is good.

Were I to be better situated financially I'd have a 10mm. Oddly enough the Glock 20 has the same capacity as my Walther P99, but with better bangs. It's too bad good 10mm ammo is so expensive.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 3:00:14 PM EDT
It was simple for me. I turned 21 and old enough to buy handguns in 94 just before the begining of the AWB. I refused to pay big dollars for preban pistol highcaps and figured if I was stuck with 10 rounds I would go with .40 over the 9mm. I now have three .40s and two 9mm pistols. I would feel comfortable with either one.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 3:01:08 PM EDT
I own all three. I chose 9mm for reasons already listed here and did most of my shooting with a 9mm until I was issued a .40. Now most of my shooting is with a .40. I was a .40 hater for a long time. I was surprised to find, when forced to actually shoot and train on .40, how it isn't the impossible-to-shoot-break-your-wrist-way-too-snappy caliber everyone always said it was. I can barely perceive the recoil difference between a 9mm and a .40 in the same platform (comparing a G19 to a G23).

So if it were completely up to me again, I would still be shooting the 9mm, really for cost and capacity reasons. But I have no problems with the .40, and carry two of them daily. Hell, I always seem to shoot my G27 better than my G23.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 4:30:03 PM EDT
9mm or 45 for me






...only convincing reason is economics.  9mm is cheaper than 40 and 45. 45 is bigger than 40 and 9mm.  45 ammo costs the same around me as 40, so why would I want to have to stock another caliber that costs the same as a 45 to shoot when I enjoy shooting my 1911's so much more than another plastic fantastic pistol.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 4:32:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tumtum1:
Ha this is becoming a weekly thread. All you will get out of this is opinions, not facts.


+1 this thread is kicking a dead horse, but anyway, I chose 9mm b/c cheap ammo and modern ballistics/bullets put the 9mm in very close proximity to the .40 S&W.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 4:37:21 PM EDT
I picked .40 (and a G23) because I just like .40 better than 9mm.

Modern defensive loadings show there's little difference, but I'm still sticking with the fotay.  Cuz I'm just professunal enough.
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 6:14:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ML1911:
I went with 9mm, .40 and .45 auto.  I like all three and can shoot all three relatively well.


Same here
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 8:47:03 PM EDT
For me, 9mm is cheaper; has higher capacity in comparable guns, smoother recoil, faster followup shots, and the ballistic trade off is minimal.
Link Posted: 4/21/2011 7:14:41 AM EDT
9mm for my first handgun and carry piece cause of price i guess
i figured it was all shot placement anyway and it would be cheaper for me to practice more with 9mm
capacity was a small factor.

Link Posted: 4/21/2011 11:01:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2011 12:53:43 PM EDT by CanNevrHaveEnuffGuns]
9 is cheeeeappp and you get a few more rounds per mag. That's a fact!

ETA- Damn I wasted post 5.56 on a .40 versus 9mm debate.
Link Posted: 4/21/2011 12:03:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
Went with 9mm, less recoil, quicker follow up shots, more accurate for me at longer distances with more speed.
Oh and the hollow point expansion is almost the same size as the .40;  being a 10mm fan I do not have much love for the .40 in todays climate.


My sentiments exactly!
Link Posted: 4/21/2011 6:00:18 PM EDT
the .40 will out perform a 9mm, but like its been said its not a 45. shot placement is key with any handgun round. ill repeat whats already been said, get something you can feel comfortable with and shoot it till you stop missing.
Link Posted: 4/21/2011 9:12:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fields_Overseer:
9mm, only edge .40 has is barriers, which a good 147 grain 9mm does not suck at by any means, but .40 deflects less through auto glass and such.  9mm is cheaper, and you have greater capacity with it.

Studies have shown no significant difference between wounds from 9mm/.40/.45.  They all perform close enough to weigh in other factors(followups, capacity, ammo cost=how much will you train).


QFT. Because of the low likelyhood of needing to penetrate a barrier where I carry, I chose 9mm. The .40 nothing except barrier penetration on 9mm. Same goes for .45 despite what the gun store commandos may tell you. The cons of lower capacity and increased recoil outweigh my need for increased barrier penetration. But as fun guns and situations where I would need the barrier performance, the fotay and .45 are good in my book.
Link Posted: 4/21/2011 11:24:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/22/2011 6:36:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Caboose314:
I went with 9mm because it's more affordable to train with.


Same here, and a 9mm that you have trained a lot with will be much more effective than a .40 you have not trained with very much b/c of the cost.  Now if you have a huge budget, then maybe this doesn't apply to you.

Other reasons:

I like to stick to the same round in multiple handguns, therefore my full size, compact, subcompact 9mm, single stack, etc.  all use the same ammo, so I can stockpile just one type.  You can also choose between supersonic and subsonic 9mm if you choose to run a suppressor.  Not sure if you can do that in .40 or not.
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