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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:28:04 PM EDT
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PROS:
Accurate Reliable Conceal well / thin Good size (compact slide w/ a nearly full-size grip) Safe Easy to shoot accurately An engineering marvel Nearly match grade with quality fixed barrel Single Action Trigger Hans Gruber uses one CONS: They get too hot to hold after about 50 rounds in a short period of time, so no pistol classes with one. Heel release is great for CCW as it won't get pressed accidentally, but fast mag changes are awkward. Need two hands to drop mag. Expensive parts (they rarely break though) Low capacity (relative) Heavy for size Mags are expensive and hard to find sometimes. Strange manual of arms. Not a cheap gun to buy Verdict: Great range gun / collectable or deep-concealment CCW. I CCW mine nearly daily. It is great because it totally disappears on me. I do not have to worry about snagging the trigger or disengaging safeties either, so it gives me a lot of leeway on how I decide to carry it depending on my dress (business casual or jeans & tshirt). I feel that it offers enough firepower for MOST situations. If I'm out and about on the weekends and evenings, I'll be switching to my glock. I do also appreciate the craftsmanship and the level of engineering behind it, but largely carry it for the accuracy, size, and safety. Overall, it was pricey but worth every penny. I'll never sell it. It just has a classiness that other weapons lack. No, they do not make them anymore. Yes, Hk will still work on them. Do a search. There is a ton of info out there on them, and my sentiments will largely be repeated over and over again. They are Germany's 1911. We can rationalize everything on them and we will carry them because we like them.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 7:54:49 PM EDT
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Best 9mm ever made. Dont need more than 8 rounds cuz its so accurate, unlike mediocre accuacy Glocks that need hi-capacity
 P7/PSP earlier models are better than Americanized P7M8, IMO. I had both and got rid of M8. My P7 PSP is 31 years old and a freaking piece of art. No safer gun that can be put into action quicker. Lower bore axis than Glock. Theres just too much to say so you need to go and handle one if ya can find it .
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Posted: 1/17/2011 9:21:17 PM EDT
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... CONS:They get too hot to hold after about 50 rounds in a short period of time, so no pistol classes with one. Heel release is great for CCW as it won't get pressed accidentally, but fast mag changes are awkward. Need two hands to drop mag ... Mags are expensive and hard to find sometimes. ... - After ten mags at the range I use a glove... - Just the second generation heel release is save. - Take a look at egun.de. Used mags in good condition and also new ones are offered from time to time in large quantities for little money. Most from dealers who ship world wide. Last year I bought more then 20 mags from there. 15 were new, for two of them I payed 25.- Euros, the other costs me not more than 20.- |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 10:08:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Pretty much a +1 for this whole post. You can't be rationalized into liking them. Like a 1911... you just have to like it. Of 8 handguns that I've owned this is the one that has stayed with me and that I will surely keep around, and may buy another.PROS: Accurate Reliable Conceal well / thin Good size (compact slide w/ a nearly full-size grip) Safe Easy to shoot accurately An engineering marvel Nearly match grade with quality fixed barrel Single Action Trigger Hans Gruber uses one CONS: They get too hot to hold after about 50 rounds in a short period of time, so no pistol classes with one. Heel release is great for CCW as it won't get pressed accidentally, but fast mag changes are awkward. Need two hands to drop mag. Expensive parts (they rarely break though) Low capacity (relative) Heavy for size Mags are expensive and hard to find sometimes. Strange manual of arms. Not a cheap gun to buy Verdict: Great range gun / collectable or deep-concealment CCW. I CCW mine nearly daily. It is great because it totally disappears on me. I do not have to worry about snagging the trigger or disengaging safeties either, so it gives me a lot of leeway on how I decide to carry it depending on my dress (business casual or jeans & tshirt). I feel that it offers enough firepower for MOST situations. If I'm out and about on the weekends and evenings, I'll be switching to my glock. I do also appreciate the craftsmanship and the level of engineering behind it, but largely carry it for the accuracy, size, and safety. Overall, it was pricey but worth every penny. I'll never sell it. It just has a classiness that other weapons lack. No, they do not make them anymore. Yes, Hk will still work on them. Do a search. There is a ton of info out there on them, and my sentiments will largely be repeated over and over again. They are Germany's 1911. We can rationalize everything on them and we will carry them because we like them. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 10:25:32 PM EDT
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The first time I held one, I had to have it. I now have two, and will buy more. Here's a good video on the P7 series pistols.  |
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Posted: 1/18/2011 5:29:58 AM EDT
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for the price of a used one I can get a p2000 so still deciding....
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Posted: 1/18/2011 1:51:02 PM EDT
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well down at the local shop I picked up a p9 s that looks brand new....... just fired 50 rounds thru it,, flawless.... might still end up with a p2000 or the "7"... but I liked this one..
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Posted: 1/18/2011 2:21:48 PM EDT
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for the price of a used one I can get a p2000 so still deciding.... thanks Buy the P2000. While I have owned a P7 and an M8, I must say the P2000 is much nicer. The P7 gets really hot after 2 or 3 mags and only holds 8 rounds. Did I mention the mags are scarce and expensive? |
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Posted: 1/18/2011 8:17:02 PM EDT
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skip the 2000 tupperware, get a legend. Think about it, how important is it to be able to shoot more than 50 rounds if your concerned about your finger getting hot? Unlikely. No cop or citizen rarely ever needs to use more than 1 magazine for reloading. I got a PSP magazine last month from Top Gun for $49, which isnt mch more than most tupperware mags these days. P7 is one of those few precious guns I really think needs more recognition than the 1911 or any of todays tupperware plastic budget guns. Handle one
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Posted: 1/20/2011 1:20:38 AM EDT
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The P7PSP is a work of art IMHO. I don't do 50 round magazine dumps with any of my pistols at the range and the odds of getting around to a second magazine in an actual gunfight are statistically low. The P7PSP, or P7M8 (I own both) are fine pistols. With the fixed 4" barrel accuracy is excellent. I can't think of a safer concealed carry configuration made today. The squeeze cocker makes getting the pistol into the fight very fast and yet it is also the reason it is so safe to carry. The balance is great, recoil management is spot on (gas piston delayed) and the gun is one of the thinest service carry pieces you can get your hands on. With the right holster it is comfortable for all day carry. I am fortunate to have a Del Fatti ISP/LP IWB for mine. It is the Cadillac of P7 holsters IMHO. I wish Matt was taking orders these days. I have a couple more pistols that I'd love to have him build a holster for. Find a craftsman that has a holster of a similar design and carry with confidence. I own several other HK pistols and enjoy shooting them all. Given my druthers I'd druther carry the P7PSP on any given day. It is Germany's 1911, only better. The P2000 is a good pistol as is the P30. I still prefer the P7. No they don't manufacture the PSP any longer and haven't for sometime. They are however built to last. Mine will outlive me and more than likely my son after me. They are that well made. Buy one and enjoy. You can always add a P2000, or P30 to the stable.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 4:10:17 AM EDT
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HOWS the squeeze cock to use?? seems it would be a pain to have to hold while firing??? does it take getting used to?
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Posted: 1/20/2011 5:03:45 AM EDT
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Its very intuitive to use. Keep in mind that it needs a lot of pressure to cock initially(~12lbs) but only requires like 3lbs of pressure to keep it cocked in your hand, which is easily kept by just holding onto the pistol. For me it didn't take any getting used to. Grab the pistol, shoot it, reholster. Too easy. The recoil impulse is very nice also. Sights come right back on target for me.
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Posted: 1/20/2011 6:14:31 AM EDT
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HOWS the squeeze cock to use?? seems it would be a pain to have to hold while firing??? does it take getting used to? It takes some force to squeeze it, but not much to hold it there. It's not difficult at all to maintain the grip once you've got it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 2:01:31 PM EDT
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I bought my P7 since I am a big fan of the movie DIE HARD....
Then I found out that my P7 is not the same as the one in the movie.... 
I am now trying to find one like in the movie... 
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Posted: 1/20/2011 4:23:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: I bought my P7 since I am a big fan of the movie DIE HARD.... Then I found out that my P7 is not the same as the one in the movie.... I am now trying to find one like in the movie... Christopher Walken also uses a P7 in True Romance. |
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Posted: 1/20/2011 6:40:36 PM EDT
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... I am now trying to find one like in the movie... A P7/M13, OK, but hard chromed? 
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Posted: 1/21/2011 3:41:08 PM EDT
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for the price of a used one I can get a p2000 so still deciding.... Not even a close decision, IMO. |
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Posted: 1/21/2011 5:04:21 PM EDT
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well the p7 I was looking at is gone, but now a friend thru a Sig 229 in the mix... he said he would sell me his...... I like sigs as well, but There is just something about the feel of them p2000... although I do shoot sigs better...... I had a p2000 in the past with the LEM trigger..
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Posted: 1/21/2011 9:31:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Go pick up a P30 and change your mind back to Hkwell the p7 I was looking at is gone, but now a friend thru a Sig 229 in the mix... he said he would sell me his...... I like sigs as well, but There is just something about the feel of them p2000... although I do shoot sigs better...... I had a p2000 in the past with the LEM trigger..  |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 6:39:53 AM EDT
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Go pick up a P30 and change your mind back to Hkwell the p7 I was looking at is gone, but now a friend thru a Sig 229 in the mix... he said he would sell me his...... I like sigs as well, but There is just something about the feel of them p2000... although I do shoot sigs better...... I had a p2000 in the past with the LEM trigger..
Whats special about the p30????? whats the difference?? |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 8:40:02 AM EDT
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Hold one and you'll know
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Posted: 1/22/2011 10:12:36 AM EDT
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Hold one and you'll know I must say I think sigs are great guns as well, but just something the was the P2000 feels... i like the feel better.... The 2000 that I had before was LEM trigger and I couldnt shoot it very well compared to other guns.. |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 12:34:28 PM EDT
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Whats special about the p30????? whats the difference?? The grip is amazing. I have no idea why, but that spiderweb grip on the P30 and the HK45 just fits my hand like a glove. Go try one. If it fits you, it'll become your go-to handgun every time. I have a stainless Sig P229 with custom grips that I thought was going to be "my" handgun forever. The P30 changed my mind. |
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Posted: 1/22/2011 12:50:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hold one and you'll know I must say I think sigs are great guns as well, but just something the was the P2000 feels... i like the feel better.... The 2000 that I had before was LEM trigger and I couldnt shoot it very well compared to other guns.. If you like the p2000 a p30 or hk45 will make you have a mess in your pants. A lot of people, including myself, believe it is the best grip on a pistol out there today. The p30 is fully customizable too with interchangeable backstraps and side panels. You just gotta hold one. |
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Posted: 1/23/2011 5:27:34 PM EDT
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The first time I held one, I had to have it. I now have two, and will buy more. Here's a good video on the P7 series pistols.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIUfMsct_aoNice video. I love the P7. Not that common or cheap, but unique and a pleasure to conceal and shoot. I might pick up another one too because I think mine has been taken over by the wife for a CCW. |
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Posted: 1/24/2011 10:01:07 AM EDT
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As of 1100 this morning, Top Gun Supply got the Grade A & B trade-ins back in stock. Last time, they were all sold out in two days. I waited too long today, and the A's sold out, but was able to grab a B!
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Posted: 1/24/2011 11:44:57 AM EDT
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I've got this beauty for sale if interested. Includes ***6*** hard chromed magazines.
CMOS |
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Posted: 1/24/2011 12:25:40 PM EDT
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I've got this beauty for sale if interested. Includes ***6*** hard chromed magazines. CMOS I don't think the non-dealers/industry folks are allowed to list their items for sale in the tech forums. Might want to edit that one, IMO.
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Posted: 1/25/2011 7:03:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: Hold one and you'll know Exactly |
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Posted: 1/25/2011 7:26:21 PM EDT
[#30]
I was out shooting my PSP
today along with my Glock 9mm . I like my Glock 26 alot, but it doesnt compare to my PSP. More accurate, easier and safer to shoot. Just awesome. I dont think I can ever part with my HK PSP.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 4:11:14 PM EDT
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SEE what happens just ordered one from top gun supply... Hopefully its a good one.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 5:30:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Picked up one at the gunshow. Hope to shoot it this weekend.
It has some family to keep it company. 
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Posted: 1/26/2011 5:57:18 PM EDT
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Picked up one at the gunshow. Hope to shoot it this weekend. http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/100_2216.jpg It has some family to keep it company. http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/100_2227.jpg |
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Posted: 1/26/2011 6:00:49 PM EDT
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Picked up one at the gunshow. Hope to shoot it this weekend. http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/100_2216.jpg It has some family to keep it company. http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/100_2227.jpg PIG. 
Not to hijack but how does that P30 shoot? CMOS |
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Posted: 1/26/2011 6:08:48 PM EDT
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Yes, the P7 is one of the police imports. Looks really good with very little surface wear. Really eager to try it out. The P30 is alright, for some reason it just isn't "floating my boat". The HK45 is superb, and the best shooter I've ever owned.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 7:13:18 PM EDT
[#36]
I picked up a P7 at the gunshow too. When my wife's CHL comes in it will be a gift. I'm really thinking about a P30 too, especially the P30L.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 9:27:40 AM EDT
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PROS: Accurate Reliable Conceal well / thin Good size (compact slide w/ a nearly full-size grip) Safe Easy to shoot accurately An engineering marvel Nearly match grade with quality fixed barrel Single Action Trigger Hans Gruber uses one CONS: They get too hot to hold after about 50 rounds in a short period of time, so no pistol classes with one. Heel release is great for CCW as it won't get pressed accidentally, but fast mag changes are awkward. Need two hands to drop mag. Expensive parts (they rarely break though) Low capacity (relative) Heavy for size Mags are expensive and hard to find sometimes. Strange manual of arms. Not a cheap gun to buy Verdict: Great range gun / collectable or deep-concealment CCW. I CCW mine nearly daily. It is great because it totally disappears on me. I do not have to worry about snagging the trigger or disengaging safeties either, so it gives me a lot of leeway on how I decide to carry it depending on my dress (business casual or jeans & tshirt). I feel that it offers enough firepower for MOST situations. If I'm out and about on the weekends and evenings, I'll be switching to my glock. I do also appreciate the craftsmanship and the level of engineering behind it, but largely carry it for the accuracy, size, and safety. Overall, it was pricey but worth every penny. I'll never sell it. It just has a classiness that other weapons lack. No, they do not make them anymore. Yes, Hk will still work on them. Do a search. There is a ton of info out there on them, and my sentiments will largely be repeated over and over again. They are Germany's 1911. We can rationalize everything on them and we will carry them because we like them. I pretty much agree with most all of this, except for the cocking mechanism being listed under "con". For me, that's one of the biggest pros. I think it makes it about the safest carry gun you can buy, and I like the fact that it seems like most people who aren't real into shooting don't know how a P7 operates. When I'm at the range, I would say 9/10, if not more, don't know how a P7 works. ETA: I use one of my P7s as my primary CCW. |
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Posted: 1/27/2011 7:35:26 PM EDT
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that "con" of a cocking mechanism has saved more than one life of an officer or citizen by a degenerate not knowing how to operate the P7
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Posted: 1/28/2011 6:31:06 AM EDT
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As of 1100 this morning, Top Gun Supply got the Grade A & B trade-ins back in stock. Last time, they were all sold out in two days. I waited too long today, and the A's sold out, but was able to grab a B! I've bought a couple from Tom at TGS and to be honest there is not much difference between the A's and B's. You'll enjoy it just as much. |
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Posted: 1/28/2011 3:45:03 PM EDT
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talked to the guy at topgunsupply today he said tuesday (I think tuesday) when they put the add out they sold 60 of them.
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Posted: 1/28/2011 4:13:26 PM EDT
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If I were to get another I'd save the $$ and get a B-grade then use that saved $$ and get it hard chromed for eternal durabilty
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Posted: 1/28/2011 5:57:26 PM EDT
[#42]
What is the best concealment holster, OWB, for the P7 PSP?
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Posted: 3/6/2011 7:38:29 PM EDT
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I am trying to resist, but the more I read about P7xxx, the more I want to get one to add to my collection.
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Posted: 3/7/2011 2:27:58 PM EDT
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What is the best concealment holster, OWB, for the P7 PSP? TIA There's only a few to choose from, IIRC? |
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Posted: 3/8/2011 4:31:38 PM EDT
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Here is what I love about it, besides it's small and easy to shoot. I really love that it's an easy single action right off the bat and you can chamber a round by squeazing the cocker I feel comfortable having a round in the chamber at all times. It can only go bang if you squeaze it. That's a huge safety and the only one it needs. I figure too, if someone were to disarm me there is a good chance they'll be too stupid to figure out how it works.
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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:48:47 PM EDT
[#46]
For collection purposes, is it more valuable to get a P7 PSP B stock that shows holster wear, or an aftermarket chromed, like new finish?
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Posted: 3/9/2011 3:09:56 AM EDT
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I really love that it's an easy single action right off the bat and you can chamber a round by squeazing the cocker Uhmm, not quite. The only things squeezing the cocker will do is either release the slide or cock the firing pin. Unless the slide is worked, a rd is not going to be chambered. |
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Posted: 3/9/2011 4:51:12 PM EDT
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For collection purposes, is it more valuable to get a P7 PSP B stock that shows holster wear, or an aftermarket chromed, like new finish? Any refinishing job will lower the value on almost any firearm. I can't think of where it would actually raise the value, IMO. Having said that, buy the gun for what YOU want to do with it, not what it might do down the road on collector value. My .o2 |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:04:47 PM EDT
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What I meant is after last round is fired, eject the mag and just squeeze the cocker and it chambers a round when it closes on a new mag. No need to pull the slide back to chamber a round.
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