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Posted: 12/8/2010 3:19:55 PM EDT
I have the option of 4 pistols for Christmas.

ATI FX45 1911 Military

EAA Witness Full size Steel Frame 9mm

Bersa Thunder 9mm

Taurus 24/7 Long slide Pro


Any first hand info would be great! i have read just about all the reviews on google. THANKS!
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:24:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Better for what?

Safe queen, EDC, Range Toy, Nightstand?

The proper AR-15 answer is 'Both, or all four, whichever gets you more guns!'
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:33:00 PM EDT
[#2]
Sorry i should have specified.

It will be my "every gun" my carry gun, target pistol, Etc... I need one that will be reliable. but 3/4 are 9mm so i dont have to sell a kidney to shoot it alot.
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:56:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Um, is there a reason you've picked these? I assume price. Any reason why Used is out of the question?
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:02:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Where's the option for none of the above? If you had to twist my arm I'd say the EA Witness only because it's based off the CZ 75 which I think is a great gun. You could also just get the CZ 75 instead for less than 50 bucks more, or even better the CZ 75 SP-01 for less than $100 more.
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:16:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Where's the option for none of the above? If you had to twist my arm I'd say the EA Witness only because it's based off the CZ 75 which I think is a great gun. You could also just get the CZ 75 instead for less than 50 bucks more, or even better the CZ 75 SP-01 for less than $100 more.


I was writing my response, then I saw this...

Of the options - I like the EAA - because it's based on the CZ-75... And I like CZ-75's...

I'm also partial to 1911's but given your price point... and the fact you can shoot a 9mm 25-50% more

In that list - the EAA.

Off the list CZ-75 or M&P9.

And to repeat the stock AR-15.com answer - buy them all!
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:22:33 PM EDT
[#6]
For the 1911, I'd look at a Rock Island Armory Tactical.



Roughly $400 for a pistol with all the useful features on it.
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:37:30 PM EDT
[#7]
None of the above.  Not trying to be smart with you, but out of those, I'd save my money and get something else.
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:44:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
None of the above.  Not trying to be smart with you, but out of those, I'd save my money and get something else.


Seriously...

Why skimp 100 dollars on something that will be truly useful in a life or death situation.
I never get that. I have friends who spend big money on stupid shit like sun glasses and clothes... but they won't cough up 100 bucks more for a real gun.

What a waste.
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:45:15 PM EDT
[#9]
get a used glock

They are plentiful and cheap right now
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 6:07:20 PM EDT
[#10]
Believe us when we tell you to start looking at other brands.


H&K USP 9 for $575

No reserve for $505
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 6:18:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
None of the above.  Not trying to be smart with you, but out of those, I'd save my money and get something else.


Seriously...

Why skimp 100 dollars on something that will be truly useful in a life or death situation.
I never get that. I have friends who spend big money on stupid shit like sun glasses and clothes... but they won't cough up 100 bucks more for a real gun.

What a waste.


Link Posted: 12/8/2010 6:34:18 PM EDT
[#12]
Gag  
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 6:56:40 PM EDT
[#13]
Glock 19
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 7:16:27 PM EDT
[#14]
It's a christmas present for me.   Eta: I was already leaning towards the witness.

Link Posted: 12/8/2010 7:20:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Um, is there a reason you've picked these? I assume price. Any reason why Used is out of the question?


A family member works for a wholesaler so we can purchase through her for wholesale price those were the only ones she had in stock under $400.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 4:04:34 AM EDT
[#16]
Budsgun.com has a new G17 for $450 shipped.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:36:26 AM EDT
[#18]
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:45:47 AM EDT
[#19]
What about the S&W SD9? It's within my price range at $355.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 7:37:56 AM EDT
[#20]
Gunmonkey votes EAA.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 7:39:54 AM EDT
[#21]
I'd probably pick that over the others you've listed so far.  It's looking like a pretty reliable gun.  The trigger sort of sucks, but it's a decent gun from a reputable manufacturer.  The SD is like the Honda Civic, pretty lame but it's a Honda.  The other ones you picked are sort of like the Kia Forte.  Sure it seems cool, but it's still a Kia.





But they're all a little big for carry.
Quoted:



What about the S&W SD9? It's within my price range at $355.

 
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 8:32:12 AM EDT
[#22]
If you have the ability to go with the SD9 do so its worth it. The trigger get nice after you dry fire it for a while. Its only a hair bigger that the Glock 19/23, also it comes with a front night sight for less than 500 bones before tax.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 8:39:47 AM EDT
[#23]
Skip on all. get ammo instead.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 9:03:37 AM EDT
[#24]
From TacticalGunFan.com Regarding the S&W SD9...
Even though it's not a pocket gun, due to its weight, it has something in common with them - it's a gun designed to be carried a lot and shot a little.


Anyone have one? Or heard about their longevity? Or is this guy FOS? If i get one i will probably be shooting it atleast once a month and probably 500 rounds per outing. I dont want something that will brake with only 5k rounds down the tube.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 9:19:36 AM EDT
[#25]
I don't think he was talking about the longevity of the gun.  He's talking about the ease of shooting.  It's not going to be a joy to shoot, but it will be ok.  This is just from what I've read about it.




Quoted:


From TacticalGunFan.com Regarding the S&W SD9...


Even though it's not a pocket gun, due to its weight, it has something in common with them - it's a gun designed to be carried a lot and shot a little.




Anyone have one? Or heard about their longevity? Or is this guy FOS? If i get one i will probably be shooting it atleast once a month and probably 500 rounds per outing. I dont want something that will brake with only 5k rounds down the tube.






 
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 9:23:16 AM EDT
[#26]
Had an EAA Wit in .40.  Was a pretty good gun but sold it once I picked up a Springfield XD in .40.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 9:39:27 AM EDT
[#27]
My dad has an Xd45 Tactical I like that gun but so does he!
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:11:44 PM EDT
[#28]


Damn! That's what I paid for mine brand new 2 years ago. My first 9mm and a great gun to boot!
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 7:26:52 PM EDT
[#29]
OP.  Why the hell don.t you just go to a range and fire the differrent pistols.  What difference doers it make except it works for you.  Shit. How embarrassing I swear
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 7:58:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
OP.  Why the hell don.t you just go to a range and fire the differrent pistols.  What difference doers it make except it works for you.  Shit. How embarrassing I swear


Our ranges arent like that out here and the ones that are cost lots of money. I have shot a ruger 9mm that was in my price range and didnt like it so its not on the list. I will either go with the Witness or the S&W SD9. I know they are 2 totally different beasts.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 8:31:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Change that witness to an CZ SP-01 and you've got a winner.

Link Posted: 12/10/2010 5:15:11 AM EDT
[#32]
OP remember this. A POS handgun is still a POS handgun even if it cost you nothing.  You seem stuck on buying one of those four just because you think you're getting a bargain.  Save up for a couple of months more and get yourself a gun you'll be proud to own. The way you're going you'll end up with something you'll be ashamed to show to anyone.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:11:01 AM EDT
[#33]
Im gonna Fo with the Bersa. It's cheaper so I will get some ammo with it and be able to practice sooner. Thanks for the input though. When I am ready to buy a gun for me I know what to get.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 9:46:29 AM EDT
[#34]
cz 75, glock, sa sd, or M&P.  all pretty cheap and reliable.  Get it in 9mm and youll save 60bucks in 1k rounds.  Put that money toward your gun up front.  Just My opinion, but id rather have a quality piece that will work everytime.  Not saying any of those wont, but the chances of them not working is greater.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 1:46:37 PM EDT
[#35]
The Witness is a fine gun in that price range.

The ATI gun is an unknown quantity at this point, and at any rate, nearly unusable for me, personally, due to the grip safety.

I will never spend money on a Taurus product, and ditto on Bersa.  I just don't want to roll the dice on guns of that quality.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 4:05:24 PM EDT
[#36]
In your price range, I would go with one of these http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/71/products_id/69241


I have one, have put about 1K of tula and WWB, some hollow points, and even some corbon +P, this is starting to be one of my favorite handguns. I did have a slight problem with it when I first got it, smith took care of it and for me it has been a great pistol.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 4:11:43 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Im gonna Fo with the Bersa. It's cheaper so I will get some ammo with it and be able to practice sooner. Thanks for the input though. When I am ready to buy a gun for me I know what to get.


When I worked in a gunstore to support my gun habit for a few years, we sold the hell out of the bersa .380 pistols, as I recall we only had to send one back. Guy took it home, shot it and it wasnt very accurate. He went to clean it and noticed he had gotten a rare smoothbore model Other than that one, we never had any complaints. I shot one a guy had the range once, crappy trigger and rough finish, but it went bang every time and as long as I did my part it was accurate enough. No experience as all with the larger caliber models though.

That said, IMO this is not an area you want to be chincey on. There are a lot of great options available for just a few dollars more than the bersa. Anyway, good luck.

Link Posted: 12/10/2010 4:33:46 PM EDT
[#38]
I'm also a big voter for "none of the above" but if you HAVE to get one of the four, and you're looking at it being an EVERYTHING gun, I would probably go with the EAA Witness as well.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 5:02:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Of those 4 choices the EAA Witness.

Personally I would  scrounge up another $50-75 and buy a real CZ-75 though.


Or since you are in AZ, drive up to Prescott and get one of the Argentine Hi-Powers from J&G for $300.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 6:00:03 PM EDT
[#40]
SEriously, you can't find a $400 Glock or something?
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 6:13:45 PM EDT
[#41]
I picked the 1911 but wanted a none of the above....
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 6:46:08 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
Of those 4 choices the EAA Witness.

Personally I would  scrounge up another $50-75 and buy a real CZ-75 though.


Or since you are in AZ, drive up to Prescott and get one of the Argentine Hi-Powers from J&G for $300.


Bersa is from Argentina and Is supposed to be the side arm of the National Police. I didnt see any Argentine hipowers at J&G's website.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 7:21:22 PM EDT
[#43]




Quoted:

Believe us when we tell you to start looking at other brands.





H&K USP 9 for $575



No reserve for $505




This, also look at used Springfield pistols... GI's, Milspec's ...
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 5:04:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
None of the above.  Not trying to be smart with you, but out of those, I'd save my money and get something else.


This is the response that you need to read carefully.....

Then......look really hard at a Glock 19
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 5:46:29 AM EDT
[#45]
I wouldn't buy any of the pistols you mentioned. Save your money and buy something that is better. Glock or M&P line pistols would be far superior
than anything you listed. I'm not trying to be mean OP, but the pistols you listed just are not anything I would ever be interested in owning.
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 6:12:19 AM EDT
[#46]
Hey, I'm in the same boat. I need a gun that will protect me from grizzlys (there are many here in PA), one I can use for self defense, one I can carry concealed and one I can shoot 500 rounds out of during a trip to the range. Oh and I need it all for $299.

O.K. this is a joke, but you are starting to see what I mean. You can't get all the above in one handgun.
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 9:22:32 AM EDT
[#47]
I don't like any of the choices.  I would far rather have a used 3rd generation S&W auto or a used Glock than any of the options, and I don't even much like Glocks.

Link Posted: 12/11/2010 9:26:35 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:
Hey, I'm in the same boat. I need a gun that will protect me from grizzlys (there are many here in PA), one I can use for self defense, one I can carry concealed and one I can shoot 500 rounds out of during a trip to the range. Oh and I need it all for $299.

O.K. this is a joke, but you are starting to see what I mean. You can't get all the above in one handgun.


When the hell did i mention bears? Ive got a .460S&W for bears...

 And Im not the one that came up with that price cap. It's a present. I was given two chriteria, Had to be less than $400 and had the be from the catalog. I found all the pistols in the book that were under $400 and sent the #'s off to see if they were in stock. The 4 in the poll were the only ones in stock. I had it narrowed down to the witness and the thunder 9 and then got actual prices on both of them. Bersa was a better wholesale price which meant i will be getting some ammo with it.   My money is not involved in any way with this purchase so i cant save the money it isnt mine. If i dont take this gift they wont give me the cash equivelant.

-Luke
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 9:30:34 AM EDT
[#49]
The Witness is in a class above the others.   Tanfoglios (admittedly the higher tier of them) are in wide use in European IPSC clubs, and the company has a good reputation.   Dealing with EAA, the American importer, can be something of a hassle, but the guns tend to be serviceable, accurate, and dependable, based as they are on the proven CZ platform.  

Link Posted: 12/11/2010 9:48:47 AM EDT
[#50]
Used Glock, M&P, XD etc would all be better choices and they can be found.
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