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Posted: 3/9/2011 6:35:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/12/2011 6:47:52 AM EST by Ofishl1]
Anyone ever seen marks like these in the valleys of the serrations on a slide? My Wesson and Kimber are perfectly flat...makes me wonder if SA had a bad end mill or..I have never seen anything like this on a 1911, and surprised even more SA would let something so glaring out of QC.


Link Posted: 3/9/2011 6:36:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/12/2011 6:49:25 AM EST by Ofishl1]


Link Posted: 3/9/2011 6:53:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 6:59:03 PM EST by Z06Kicks]
New pistol?
Is is possible someone decided to clean crud out of the serrations with a steel screwdriver or something?

ETA: RIF, that's pretty bad out of the box, but i can see how a QC check might accidentally overlook it.
I doubt SA will give you a hard time of getting the issue corrected.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 6:59:28 PM EST
It was a vault queen from a guy off Guns America, he said he never fired it...NIB, all the papers...gun is absolutely perfect besides these marks...
they are on both sides of the slide.....
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 8:09:09 PM EST
Are the marks shiny or were they beadblasted over like the rest of the finish?
That should tell you whether it was the prior owner or like that from the milling.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 8:22:36 PM EST
Just on the front set of serrations?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 8:31:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By Z06Kicks:
Are the marks shiny or were they beadblasted over like the rest of the finish?
That should tell you whether it was the prior owner or like that from the milling.


No, scratches or mars are beaded the same color....they are not fresh,,I know the pic does not show it real well.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 8:32:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By NWRed:
Just on the front set of serrations?


mostly the front and back leftside, right side is minor...
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 8:38:53 PM EST
However much I like SA, this seems to be a recurring theme of quality control. Both my TRP and EMP have similar marks. My best guess is a dull blade or someone without a lot of experience doing the cuts. Call them up, they will probably have you send back in the pistol to be touched up.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 8:49:07 PM EST
Dull cutter it sounds like then. Olympic Arms had a dull drill bit in one of their mills once and did a run of 50+ uppers with fuct up ejection port rod holes. It's like a 8" long drill bit that wanderer all over and drilled random holes in the rear ear of the ejection port tab. QC= replacing your mill attachments occassionally.
I picked a couple of those stripped uppers for $25
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 6:34:39 AM EST
My operator has the same thing.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 7:00:56 AM EST
If it functions perfect and is accurate, It wouldn't bother me personally.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 7:04:45 AM EST
My Operator does not have those marks.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 7:19:19 AM EST
Yea, I could see it if it were a $500 pc...but should not be on a TRP, or any 1911 of this caliber and price point....I sell military hardware, and if one screw has a blemish on it, they reject the whole lot. I know "stuff" gets thru QC...but these marks are in all locations on the slide...unacceptable in my book.
Calling SA today....let you know what they say...
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 8:37:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/10/2011 8:39:47 AM EST by corymc]
Now that i looked at your pics again and went and got mine out mine are nowhere near as bad as yours.
ETA Hope that they fix it for you.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 9:30:11 AM EST
My TRP is a little rough in that area, but nothing like that.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 11:19:20 AM EST
My TRP has the same marks, it doesn't effect function, so I don't give a shit.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 11:28:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ofishl1:
.but should not be on a TRP, or any 1911 of this caliber and price point....

Would they be acceptable on a 9mm pistol?
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 12:43:00 PM EST
I'd get a good set of needle files and take my time. Slow and easy. Patience is key..............

a-bare
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 1:29:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/10/2011 1:30:09 PM EST by WIZZO_ARAKM14]
Looks similar to my Loaded.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 1:40:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/10/2011 2:22:06 PM EST by Ofishl1]
Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:

Originally Posted By Ofishl1:
.but should not be on a TRP, or any 1911 of this caliber and price point....

Would they be acceptable on a 9mm pistol?

In my context caliber = "the quality of something"
My Ruger P94 (9MM) does not have them either.....and I would care about that too..
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 2:01:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ofishl1:
Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:

Originally Posted By Ofishl1:
.but should not be on a TRP, or any 1911 of this caliber and price point....

Would they be acceptable on a 9mm pistol?

Im my context caliber = "the quality of something"
My Ruger P94 (9MM) does not have them either.....and I would care about that too..
Yes, I understood the context. It was a joke.

Link Posted: 3/10/2011 2:08:37 PM EST
Gotcha Heb,..
I sent the pics off to Drew at SA, I am going to let him have a crack at the decision first before I go after it with a diamond lapp or something.
Some sections are pretty rough though...here is the other side.


Link Posted: 3/10/2011 4:19:19 PM EST
I have the same marks on my Loaded. bugged me at first but now I don't even think about it.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 5:20:04 PM EST
So I had to pull my trp out and look at it. My FCS are pretty clean, but my rear serrations are not. Not really enough to bother my though.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 5:32:22 PM EST
Neither my loaded champion or my MC Operator have that issue. Hope they take care of it for you.
Link Posted: 3/10/2011 5:54:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/10/2011 5:55:40 PM EST by Ofishl1]
Yeah, me too, I only have 2 other 1911's Kimber and Dan Wesson, they are both perfect...however with another new arrival tomorrow of a Colt Commander Lightweight Centennial, but I would bet the gun, there are no marks like on this Springer...and interesting so far the only guns mentioned here with anything like this,..are Springers...hmmm..
Link Posted: 3/11/2011 1:16:11 PM EST
My Mil-Spec and Officer's SA look like that. Mil-Spec made in 2009, other about 2005.
Link Posted: 3/11/2011 3:01:49 PM EST
So, my new Colt came in today,....serrations perfect....


Link Posted: 3/11/2011 3:02:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/11/2011 3:03:27 PM EST by Ofishl1]


Link Posted: 3/12/2011 4:55:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/12/2011 5:02:00 AM EST by a-bare]
Originally Posted By Ofishl1:
So, my new Colt came in today,....serrations perfect....
<a href="http://img847.imageshack.us/i/coltcmndr.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5108/coltcmndr.jpg</a>



My XSE Commander looks good like yours, although I did polish the high flats of the serrations to give it a different look.

ETA: Yours looks great with the beaver tail. Mine has the platypus GS, which I'll change.......
Link Posted: 3/12/2011 6:07:00 AM EST
a-
what did you use to polish the flats??
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 1:28:17 PM EST
Well what did SA say?
Those tooling marks would not brother me on a used or new gun purchase in that price point.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 2:44:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 6:32:04 PM EST by Ofishl1]
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Well what did SA say?
Those tooling marks would not brother me on a used or new gun purchase in that price point.


I talked to Roxanne friday and sent her the pics, ..she was sending them to Drew in the custom shop...probably monday.
Everyone I have shown this to in person (one a gunny) after seeing the workmanship of the gun overall(excellent), are shocked this was shipped.
Its like buying a new car with a scratch on four fenders, ok yes it drives fine, and doesn't affect performance... uh gee I take it...and pay full price...
At what price does one "not" accept poor workmanship?.. $1200..$1500...everyone has their threshold of pain, I suppose to each his own...
..Anal1


Link Posted: 3/13/2011 3:57:27 PM EST
Hope everything work out for you, Ive got a TRP on my shortlist to buy right now
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 11:16:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 11:21:40 PM EST by a-bare]
Originally Posted By Ofishl1:
a-
what did you use to polish the flats??


Started with 400# then 600# emory cloth wrapped around a small metal ruler. Used WD40 for lubricant. A couple of them were stubborn and I used a small needle file first.

While I had the file out I smoothed the front and rear edges of the slide. Go slow. Take your time...........

a-bare

ETA: keep in mind I polished the high flats. To get in those grooves to clean up the low parts will be a somewhat more daunting task...........I'd go for it.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:14:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2011 7:20:26 AM EST by Ofishl1]
Originally Posted By Z06Kicks:
New pistol?
Is is possible someone decided to clean crud out of the serrations with a steel screwdriver or something?

ETA: RIF, that's pretty bad out of the box, but i can see how a QC check might accidentally overlook it.
I doubt SA will give you a hard time of getting the issue corrected.


SA would not do anything about it,...quote from Email......................

"I called over and talked with the technician and the tool marks are normal and will be visible on anything other than Custom guns". (first response)
I received the same answer from above, the tooling marks are one of the things that separate the TRP’s from the Custom Guns. Tooling marks are part of the production process, let me know if there is anything else I can do for you. (third response)

Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:20:17 AM EST
does it function.
Link Posted: 3/15/2011 7:21:04 AM EST
It goes bang...
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