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Posted: 10/29/2004 5:33:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 6:01:18 AM EST by Sgt_Gold]
I am looking for a very small carry gun. I am a large enough person at 6'3" 250lbs to hide just about anything fall through spring, but summer and it's wardrobe have me looking for something small. I'm trying to keep the width at 1.5" or less, so most double stack pistols are out. This is going to be a personal defense pistol, so .380 is an acceptable trade off in terms of recoil and performance. The three pistols I'm currently looking at are the PPK\S, SIG 232, and the CZ 83 . Are there any others I should be looking at? Thanks for any info.


Edited to add micro .45's and the compact XD as well.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:36:09 AM EST
have you considered a makarov?

excellent reliability, remarkably accurate due to fixed barrell design, very concealable and cheap to boot.

the caliber is 9x18 which is slightly better than a .380
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:39:24 AM EST
I have a PPK/S & a P232. The Sig is a simpler design, fewer samll parts & overall more reliable.
I like them both but the Sig is the choice for CCW carry. I have no expierience with the CZ series of pistols. They are supposed to be well made & reliable but I cant vouch for that personally. FYI, the Beretta 380`s are very good pistols but a little thick in the butt for easy concealment.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:02:58 AM EST
The thought actually never occured to me. I've never fired one and am trying to keep the selection down to things I've fired so I know how the pistol performs.


Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:
have you considered a makarov?

excellent reliability, remarkably accurate due to fixed barrell design, very concealable and cheap to boot.

the caliber is 9x18 which is slightly better than a .380

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:10:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:13:48 AM EST
Some good advice on carry guns was given in the following thread:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=286145
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:01:40 AM EST
The Kahr K9 is very similar in size and weight to the PPK, but in 9mm Luger.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:04:42 AM EST
If you want a very small, light, easy to carry, BUT effective defense gun, take a look at the polymer framed Kahr pistols.

These as as small and light as the typical .380, and smaller and lighter than many of them.

Instead of .380 rounds, these shoot full power 9mm or .40 caliber.

The Kahr is simpler and easier to operate than most .380's, has better sights, and is almost always more reliable.

Many years ago, the "Gold Standard" in personal defense guns was the Colt Detective Special, then it was the Walther PPK.
Today the Gold Standard is the Kahr Arms. Expensive, but the best.

Why settle for a low power, complicated pistol when you can have a reliable, POWERFUL pistol.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 2:13:16 PM EST
Another vote for the Kahr's. I have a MK9 as my primary carry gun. Wouldn't trade it for anything else.


Paraord16
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 2:23:44 PM EST
HK P7M8? Expensive, but nice.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 2:24:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 2:26:30 PM EST by stevec22]
+1 on Kahr. I have a p40 covert. 6+1 of 40 caliber. Beware that the recoil is a bit severe and not very much in the way of a grip. I have added a pachmyer sleeve and it helped a lot.

If micro-size and weight is not an issue then look at the K9. Very sweet gun.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 4:29:29 PM EST
That was a good thread, lots of info. The S&W Model 360, "AirLite Sc" in .357 magnum is a pistol I hadn't thought about but makes alot of sence. The search continues....


Originally Posted By glockguy40:
Some good advice on carry guns was given in the following thread:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=286145

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