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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:01:18 AM EDT
I just picked up a 2" S&W .38 Special Airweight 5 shot revolver for concealed pocket carry. According to the S&W catalog it will handle +P ammo. The dealer suggested Speer GoldDot .38SPL+P 135gr. GDHP for the gun. I'm a 1911 guy, so I'd like recommendations on defensive loads for this gun. Thank you.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:24:35 AM EDT
The GDHP mentioned was designed specifically for the short barrel .38, and looks good on paper. A lot of the IWBA folks seem to recommend the 148-grain wadcutter for the airweight guns. I've used both the 158 LSWCHP and the 125 Nyclad. FWIW, get something you can shoot accurately and easily, and you'll probably be OK.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 2:32:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 2:44:51 PM EDT by fxntime]
110grain+p JHP from Winchester. Use that if I carry my LW colt snubbie. Quick follow up shots, recoil is pretty decent and it has a reasonable record for 38 spl. Now carrying my Colt LW defender in .45 mostly. BTW there are better rounds but I have 1 more shot[jus a bit o kidding] and I have the original lil wood grips which are a bit small but work well for coat pocket carry, and they are not "grabby".
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:12:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fxntime:
110grain+p JHP from Winchester. Use that if I carry my LW colt snubbie. Quick follow up shots, recoil is pretty decent and it has a reasonable record for 38 spl. Now carrying my Colt LW defender in .45 mostly. BTW there are better rounds but I have 1 more shot[jus a bit o kidding] and I have the original lil wood grips which are a bit small but work well for coat pocket carry, and they are not "grabby".



+1, not enough barrel length to take advantage of the increased power of +P IMO, besides the recoil characteristics.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 3:10:37 AM EDT
If you want adequate penetration as well as expansion out of that short barrel, the GDHP 135 gr +P is probably the best choice. I'm sure the recoil will be stiff, but in a life or death situation, I doubt that will be your top concern.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:32:15 AM EDT
I have started to use the 135 GDHP in my airwieght, recoil is not bad at all in my opinion. I can go through a practice session of 20 to 50 rounds without pain. Pretty accurate out to 50 feet (haven't shot beyond that with an airweight in some time). Most of the reports I have read suggest that the 135 GDHP load will still open up after going through three layers of denim which I think is a plus. As was mentioned before, the round was specifically designed for short barrel snubies.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:37:09 AM EDT
The 135 GDHP was specifically designed to be the best load available for the .38 snubbie.

It's what I carry in mine.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:42:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 7:42:33 AM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:49:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 7:53:44 AM EDT by twonami]
do a lot of defectives detectives still carry snubbies as their primary weapon?
ETA: I'm experimenting with the GDHP as well as
Magtech Guardian Gold Ammunition 38 Special +P 125 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point
Federal Premium Personal Defense Ammunition 38 Special +P 129 Grain Hydra-Shok Jacketed
Black Hills Ammunition 38 Special +P 125 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point
all in my airweight 642
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:53:15 AM EDT
I also posted this in the S & W forum. Can anyone comment on this reply to my post:

"Make sure you'r getting the new Gold Dot "SB" stuff. Its specially formulated for short bbled revolvers reduced velocities".

Is this something new or is it the GDHP I asked about? Thanks and thanks for the above replies to my post.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:20:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DocGun:
I also posted this in the S & W forum. Can anyone comment on this reply to my post:

"Make sure you'r getting the new Gold Dot "SB" stuff. Its specially formulated for short bbled revolvers reduced velocities".

Is this something new or is it the GDHP I asked about? Thanks and thanks for the above replies to my post.



It's the 135 gr +P GDHP we've been talking about.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:24:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By DocGun:
I also posted this in the S & W forum. Can anyone comment on this reply to my post:

"Make sure you'r getting the new Gold Dot "SB" stuff. Its specially formulated for short bbled revolvers reduced velocities".

Is this something new or is it the GDHP I asked about? Thanks and thanks for the above replies to my post.



It's the 135 gr +P GDHP we've been talking about.



Just wanted to make sure. Thank you!
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:26:02 PM EDT
Where are you guys getting that speer ammo from? I have been looking for it havent found any locally yet.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:38:58 AM EDT
I got mine locally. I'm pretty sure Midway has it in stock.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:57:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 6:00:34 AM EDT by arowneragain]
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 10:23:57 AM EDT
You guys are great to get information from. I have a .38 S&W model 637 (I think) airweight, alloy on a J frame. I had bought a box of Remington +P loads, not sure of the bullet configuration. It is a bit "punishing" to shoot it.
Any thoughts on "frangible" cartridges?
Learning
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 10:29:57 AM EDT
Nyclads, can't go wrong
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 10:39:45 AM EDT
I'm new at this!
I went to search, and typed in "Nyclads" and cannot find anything. Sorry!
Could you explain what you were telling me a little more? Learning
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 6:02:14 AM EDT
BTT for more responses
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 6:31:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 8:16:59 AM EDT
I would suggest the Corbon DPX or the Magtech First Defense. Both use the solid copper Barnes hex bullet that has shown excellent performance in short barreled guns. I have also had good results with the Buffalo Bore Heavy 38 or their Gold Dot that is loaded with the same low velocity designed Gold Dot that others are mentioning above. Hope this is helpful.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:11:59 AM EDT
Thanks Guys!
I appreciate reviving the thread, and the other opionions.
Learning
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:38:29 PM EDT
When shooting big game(200 lbs plus)A hard cast bullet with max penetration is desired by many big game hunters!!!

Thats why I would put my vote with the Wadcutter,about the same,and the 38 is big enough!!!

Not like you are takeing a .22,25,or 32 and trying to make it bigger(my views are the same on the .45acp) big is big enough!!

To open up any round is to pull the line on a para-shute, you might potentualy save a person behind the target,and by doing so not penetrate enough to hit vital organs,no matter how many times you get to try!!!

With JHP I question any real stopping value with the .38 spl!!!


Bob
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:58:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DocGun:
I also posted this in the S & W forum. Can anyone comment on this reply to my post:

"Make sure you're getting the new Gold Dot "SB" stuff. Its specially formulated for short bbled revolvers reduced velocities".

Is this something new or is it the GDHP I asked about? Thanks and thanks for the above replies to my post.



The SB (short barrel) is about a year old now. I still can't find it in .357Mag. I had a 642 S&W about a year ago and used Win Silver Tip. I had a controllable recoil but excessive mussel flash. I now have the .357 J-Frame and carry the federal personal protection loads in it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:13:32 PM EDT
With regard to the Speer 135gr. GDHP +P .38 Special ammo product #23921:

Northwestloading.com $16.95

Midwayusa.com $14.19

Natchezss.com $13.92

All show it currently in stock.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:09:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:01:56 AM EDT
LSWCHP +p made by Winchester, comes in 50 rd boxes. It behaves alot like a swc, but its a hollow point so over penetration isn't as big of a worry.
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