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Posted: 2/16/2008 10:24:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/19/2008 8:47:34 AM EST by 103]
I am in the process of building a MEU(SOC) 1911 clone. The next step on my list is the light and light rail. I am ordering a Dawson rail, but what Surefire is the right one for the clone? Thanks

ETA: the questions regarding the rail and light have been answered; how about posting pictures of clones?
Link Posted: 2/16/2008 11:38:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/16/2008 11:40:33 AM EST by fivepointoh]
X200 IIRC...but I'd just go w/ an X300 if you've got the extra cash.


ETA: Unless some are using the P-XXX series SF lights.

I had a P111D on a G17 I used to own. Heck of a built light....but I like the X200 better.


ETA2: I forgot...I think you have to use the X-XXX series lights w/ the Dawson as those are the only ones that will work.
Link Posted: 2/16/2008 11:43:29 AM EST
Thanks for the reply.

What about the mount such as on page 18 of the picture thread? (I'm referring to the clone on that page)
Link Posted: 2/16/2008 12:40:43 PM EST
that light is a surfire 610R (now discontinued) it mounts to the frame with out a rail.it is held on by a extended slide stop .
Link Posted: 2/16/2008 2:42:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By 11mike:
that light is a surfire 610R (now discontinued) it mounts to the frame with out a rail.it is held on by a extended slide stop .


They're hard to find. Somebody was selling one on the EE once, but it was missing a part.
Link Posted: 2/17/2008 1:34:25 AM EST
If you are building a DET-1 clone, the light you SHOULD be using is the W117 surefire. This is a military model that was replaced by the nitrolon junk. This is a high dollar (around 450) discontinued fixture. My suggestion is to roll with the X series. I have a det-1 clone myself, and use a x200. The only problem is that you will have to do a lil holster work to get it to fit in a 6004.
Link Posted: 2/17/2008 2:12:02 PM EST
Thanks to all for the input.

Voodoo, is the Dawson rail correct for DET-1?
Link Posted: 2/17/2008 5:31:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By 103:
Thanks to all for the input.

Voodoo, is the Dawson rail correct for DET-1?


Not Voodoo but IIRC it is.

There was a good article and I can't remember where I read it w/ pictures, trials, etc on building the pistol to spec. I'll try to find it for ya.
Link Posted: 2/18/2008 1:27:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By red_stick_voodoo:
I have a det-1 clone myself, and use a x200.


Let's see some pics please.
Link Posted: 2/18/2008 11:20:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/18/2008 11:20:56 AM EST by 103]
I appreciate the help with this little project a lot.

Another question while I have this thread going: how much a problem will the Dawson rail be in terms of holster use? Are there conceal holsters out there I can use with the rail attached (no light) if I want/need my 1911?

ETA: and I would greatly appreciate pics of clones w/ or w/o lights and rails. This is arfcom after all.
Link Posted: 2/18/2008 11:51:50 AM EST
Most non-railed holsters will work fine w/ the Dawson rail. That's the huge plus in my book.
Link Posted: 2/18/2008 3:41:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/18/2008 3:50:16 PM EST by 103]
For giggles and maybe to get someone else to post pictures, I'll post what I've done thus far.

Started out as a new SA GI that I found for $350 new in 2004. Has a Cylinder and Slide Videcki Style trigger (which was bent, but I fixed it), a NOS GI flat MSH, some sort of drop-in beavertail, some sort of commander-style hammer, Pachmayr grips, Millet three-dot sights (rear is the standard version, but the front is dual-crimp instead of tennon just because). Otherwise, it is still stock. I have an Ed Brown extractor standing by for whenever the stock unit fails. Also, a friend of mine who owns a gun store is going to be swapping out all of the fire control parts with GI (actual contract stuff he's had for years) parts fitted. I wouldn't touch the insides at all, but the disconnector is a little off after shooting with the bent trigger, so I may as well replace the MIM stuff with quality parts.

ETA: forget the pics, lol





ETA2: Yes, I know my picture taking skills suck, but I had crappy light. The pics make that rear sight look gigantic. And both the slide and frame have been reparked, hence the strange color difference.
Link Posted: 2/18/2008 3:55:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/18/2008 3:57:14 PM EST by JJREA]
Nice 103. You should see GhostRing's. His is pretty sweet too. My custom II is MEUSOCish, but not nearly as nice as yours.

Link Posted: 2/18/2008 6:01:21 PM EST
Not mine, but one at the bottom of this page with a light on it. Maybe can answer your question.

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=53147&page=1
Link Posted: 2/19/2008 8:17:15 PM EST
Also, I don't think I am going to go ambi-safety. I know that will make it not correct, but I have no use for one at all, so it'll be my fudge to make it mine. But what slide safety should I use to make at least the standard side look right?
Link Posted: 2/20/2008 2:27:24 AM EST
The Dawson rail is correct for the DET-1. I cannot upload any pics, as I am in Iraq again..... For holsters you should use a Safariland 6004. Call them they know which one for use w/o the light mounted. If you do use a X200 or X300 you will hae to buy a holster for a Insight M3 light and do a lil heat gunning to the kydex... :)
Link Posted: 2/20/2008 2:31:34 AM EST
Ohh yeah... Bladetech has one of the best concealment holsters out there... Plus I go with pointfiveoh.... the rail fits in almost everything!!!
Link Posted: 2/29/2008 8:43:19 AM EST
Can anyone tell me the best safety to use for this build? I am going to keep it as a one-sided safety, but I would like it to look just like the left side of the ambi the Marines use. Ideas?
Link Posted: 2/29/2008 10:51:36 AM EST
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm
Link Posted: 2/29/2008 10:55:19 AM EST
http://www.berryhillguns.com/meusoc.html
Link Posted: 3/1/2008 5:24:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/1/2008 8:39:51 AM EST by Dace]
You're in luck, I just organized all 20 gigs of pictures on my computer. Here are some real MEU 1911 pictures for inspiration.







Link Posted: 3/1/2008 5:29:07 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/1/2008 6:00:58 AM EST
Thanks for the pics!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/1/2008 3:06:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dace:
i114.photobucket.com/albums/n262/poohbigb/Marineforcereconmeusochandgun.jpg

That is a beautiful 1911 right there!
Link Posted: 3/2/2008 9:22:12 AM EST
Old School Taggage
Link Posted: 3/2/2008 9:36:50 AM EST
Alright, I'm going to go ahead and make it a true clone and do the ambi safety. Can anyone tell me which King's ambi safety is the right one?
Link Posted: 3/2/2008 11:13:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By 103:
Alright, I'm going to go ahead and make it a true clone and do the ambi safety. Can anyone tell me which King's ambi safety is the right one?


Kings Gun Works Part# KG-201A
Link Posted: 3/2/2008 11:17:18 AM EST
Awesome, thank you. Again, anyone who wants to post pics of actual MEUs or clones, go right ahead.
Link Posted: 3/2/2008 1:01:41 PM EST
There are a few HERE
Link Posted: 3/3/2008 9:44:04 AM EST
mine
Link Posted: 3/4/2008 6:08:48 PM EST
who makes the sights and beavertail?? (for the Springfield GI)

more importantly, where can I get them?

thanks
Link Posted: 3/4/2008 7:43:55 PM EST
My sights are both Millett sights. The front one is dual-crimp instead of a tenon sight just for durability. Got them from Brownells. The rear Millett is not correct, but it is close. I think the correct rear sight is from King's.

Beavertail: you can get (I think) any random drop in to work fine. I'll be getting a Clark's beavertail and having a friend (smith) cut the frame to fit. http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/clk1911pts.htm
Link Posted: 3/5/2008 5:04:49 AM EST
The rear sight is custom made by the Marine Corps armorers of the Precision Weapons Section (PWS) in Quantico, VA. The grip safety is the commercially available Clark beavertail grip safety #CLK-180.

All this information can be found with a little digging online and most of it is available


HERE

Link Posted: 4/16/2008 8:51:29 PM EST
A bit of an update. With the exception of the grip safety, it's essentially finished on the outside parts wise. I just got my King's thumb safety and opted for the non-ambi version. I save $30 on a feature I'll never use. And to make things even better, the part required NO fitting. I was a bit surprised, but it functions perfectly.

I had to fit the hammer just a little and cold blued the exposed areas. Had to fit the drop-in grip safety a little and cold blued it, but it is just a stand in until I can buy the Clark's grip safety. I am going to have a smith friend fit the grip safety when I am in France studying abroad in June and I'm going to get the frame reparked and the non-parked stuff parked. It looks great even with the super-hot looking drop in grip safety.

I have yet to shoot it with the Millet sights on it, but will finally have the time on Friday. Should be fun. Thanks for your help and I'll post pictures whenever I can actually take some.
Link Posted: 4/17/2008 2:25:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 4/17/2008 5:39:27 AM EST
103, we are expecting a range report with lots of pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 4/17/2008 6:55:04 AM EST
Well, tomorrow I'm going to head out to my mom's place to shoot instead of my local range. The range here has a three second rule between shots and the range officer (when bored) will sit behind you in his golf cart counting your shots. It's pretty annoying.

I'll post some pictures later this evening. I need a tripod, heh.
Link Posted: 4/17/2008 8:25:15 AM EST
That would be annoying.

Sounds good!!
Link Posted: 4/18/2008 9:26:49 AM EST
At the same time those are some of the most beat up, worn out and most beautiful 1911's I've ever seen. Kind of makes me feel guilty about having a gun with some finish still left on it.

Link Posted: 5/2/2008 1:14:40 PM EST
Still no pics or range time because of law school, but I have a quick question to anyone. Where can I get a Clark CLK-180 grip safety? The Clark website used to have them, but now all they have at Kings safeties. Ideas?
Link Posted: 5/2/2008 1:28:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/2/2008 1:34:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By AnchorArmament:
The Ed Brown grip safety would work well


Oh I know, but I'm going for the earlier build from the 80s.
Link Posted: 5/3/2008 3:16:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/3/2008 3:17:53 PM EST by 103]
Well, here are some quick pictures with the King's thumb safety. I removed the drop in beavertail because it has the memory bump and the Clark's (which I won't be able to install even if I find it for a couple months) does not. So I put the Springfield GI grip safety back on, but trimmed it to fit the commander hammer. Aesthetically, it looks wrong, but it should mostly have the same feel as the MEU and will work fine until I can install the Clark's.

Pics:







ETA: The pics really suck, sorry. I have nothing but bad lighting and didn't mess with the exposure compensation at all.
Link Posted: 5/3/2008 4:31:06 PM EST
NICE!!!!
Link Posted: 5/4/2008 7:05:52 PM EST
I was asked in an email about the front sight. For reference, here is what the dual crimp Millet sight looks like in the slide. How it installs is fairly obvious from the picture.

Link Posted: 5/7/2008 3:59:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2008 4:08:39 PM EST by 103]
Hey, so if I can't find a Clark's (they don't make the grip safety anymore), what would be a decent replacement of the same style? That means beavertail, no groove hammer, no memory bump.

ETA: I've been looking at King's grip safeties as a Clark's replacement. I was thinking about the 204, but Brownells shows it as a fairly standard grooved safety with memory bump. But King's shows it as similar to Clark's style.

Brownells: www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=25170&st=&s=
King's: www.kingsgunworks.com/newcatalog/page03.html
Link Posted: 5/8/2008 4:01:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By 103:
Hey, so if I can't find a Clark's (they don't make the grip safety anymore), what would be a decent replacement of the same style? That means beavertail, no groove hammer, no memory bump.

ETA: I've been looking at King's grip safeties as a Clark's replacement. I was thinking about the 204, but Brownells shows it as a fairly standard grooved safety with memory bump. But King's shows it as similar to Clark's style.

Brownells: www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=25170&st=&s=
King's: www.kingsgunworks.com/newcatalog/page03.html


they also have the 206c "classic" which looks very similar to the clark's. i got that for my build.
it seems the king's 201a ambi safety is VERY, VERY hard to find. King's doesn't even have it in stock since the demand for it is so high.
Link Posted: 5/13/2008 7:09:13 AM EST
I don't have a Surefire but here is a pic of my clone w/ light.

Link Posted: 5/14/2008 1:59:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By cyclicyouth:

Originally Posted By 103:
Hey, so if I can't find a Clark's (they don't make the grip safety anymore), what would be a decent replacement of the same style? That means beavertail, no groove hammer, no memory bump.

ETA: I've been looking at King's grip safeties as a Clark's replacement. I was thinking about the 204, but Brownells shows it as a fairly standard grooved safety with memory bump. But King's shows it as similar to Clark's style.

Brownells: www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=25170&st=&s=
King's: www.kingsgunworks.com/newcatalog/page03.html


they also have the 206c "classic" which looks very similar to the clark's. i got that for my build.
it seems the king's 201a ambi safety is VERY, VERY hard to find. King's doesn't even have it in stock since the demand for it is so high.


The 206c looks good to me. Anyone have pics of it installed?
Link Posted: 5/30/2008 12:53:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/30/2008 3:26:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By MJay:
I don't have a Surefire but here is a pic of my clone w/ light.

i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk236/mjay_574/CIMG1750.jpg


THAT is NOWHERE like a MEUsoc 1911

...but, nice PT1911
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