Whoda thunk it.........
MARSOC CHOOSES GLOCK 19

I got issued a G19 in 2012 for my SOTF deployment.  

....and how did you feel about that?

Personally, I think the G19 is the better choice of the two, but the G17 is not that much larger, even for concealability, I'd choose the G17.

What was the general consensus between .45 and 9mm in your outfit? I imagine since handguns aren't used that much it probably wasn't much of a big deal, the lighter of the two was probably the deciding factor.

I still don't understand why they went with the 19 over the 17, but I would take a Glock over a 1911 any day of the week for serious use.

You are having a bad day if your rifle fails you and you are switching to your sidearm.
I do think the 19 is a better option than the M9 lighter weight, size fits more shooters, and I think the Glock will have far less issues than the M9 long term.  I hated the M9 for the record I like the 2x4 feel of the Glock over the 4x4 feel of the M9.

I kind of agree but the 19 is practically a full size handgun especially when you compare it to the competition.  VP9 M&P PPQ etc are all about the same size as a 19 and similar mag capacity.

The 19 works better for plainclothes/low key use but is still a capable, duty size firearm.

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I was wondering about why not the 17 but the 19 is a good choice. I currently have three 19s (2 Gen 3 and 1 Gen4). I wanted a 17 but I'm sticking with my 19s.

Is there an article that details more iwhy the Military is going with the G19s?

It's because USSOCOM got them on a no-cost Economy Act lateral transfer from GSA (surplused from DOJ and others) to DOD.  Free.

SOCOM paid for shipping.

I doubt they would take surplus guns.  Especially since they're part of USSOCOM already and covered under their contract as is

Both organizations do plainclothes ops, hence the 19 for better concealment. MARSOC was having problems with their Colts (and that's after the slide cracks during testing prompted a re-design of the serrations).
 

The 19 has seen use by a few in SOCOM for some time from reports and pics floating around, hell NSW dumped the Sig for it. Makes sense to have the same pistol and that it can serve both a exposed and concealed carry role is a plus.

This seems like the most logical reason.

what Sinister said...  from a good friend that works at SOCOM... the 19s were in inventory and got them free... SOCOM has a budget like everyone else, and if weapons or systems are not adopted  ARMY wide, they have to buy them

for me, the 19 is a faster cycling pistol and stays on target better than my 17 does. 17's feel sluggish to me.

i do prefer the 17 in suppressed format though.

When you're talking hundreds (if not thousands) of guns free has a certain attraction.

This happened last year man.

MARSOC got all gay about needing to have a phallic symbol, and completely forgot the litany of reasons everyone else stopped using match 1911's in the first place.

Oh look, the 312th thread on this.

Didn't this happen awhile ago? Good decision they deserve the best.

Everyone shoots 17s better, its a fair question. Hopefully down the line they can choose one or the other.

The Glock forum is not exactly bustling with traffic right now, no need to be a dick...

To be fair, even though Glock 19's have been authorized by MARSOC since February of 2015, it's a recent decision that the G19 will be replacing all the Colt M45's that were purchased in 2012. (if I am reading correctly)

I still don't see them taking surplus guns from the DOJ.  Especially since the DOJ is in the process of switching from 22/23 to 17/19 I can't imagine them having so many that they'd be willing to off load them to the DOD.  Especially since the contract is with DOJ and not the GSA like you claimed, which means the DOJ would be out all of that money they dumped into the contract

Because ounces matter

Truth in that statement..... I have seen some pretty cool invoative ideas some guys came up with with loosing just small amounts of weight from everything.  When you yourself weigh only 150-175# but your combined with gear weight exceeds 200-250 pounds you get really creative with every little thing you can shave off.  Ounces mean pounds pounds mean more weight I have to carry on my back.

Some of us have the compressed discs to show for it as well.

Truth, why carry a heavier pistol more expensive pistol when another with the same durability and cheaper purchase price is out there?

+1 to that.  

They can probably buy three to four 19s for the cost of one M45...  

A coworker is a MARSOC Marine and was using glocks before that (2010ish)

this was my 'saw the light' moment recently...went from a $1k Colt to a g19...and I loves me some 1911

I am a fan of Glocks but also have a soft spot for Sigs and 1911's

After carrying the Sig Mk25 and a Beretta on deployments and my Glock 19 Gen3&4 at home here is my uneducated knuckle dragging non operator opinion.

If I wanted a full size open carry duty gun and I was not worried about $ I would probably choose the Sig 226 9mm, it's a sweet shooter and well suited for open duty carry for a police officer, armed guard etc.

If I was on a budget or needed a dual role pistol (duty/open carry and concealed carry) and could only afford or could have one gun I would choose the Glock 19 Gen 3.

Beretta 92 Full size are good duty pistols and durable but the slide mounted safety always annoyed me.

I don't have enough time behind a 1911 to make a determination on that one, although if I was in a state that restricted magazine capacity I would probably learn to master it and I would probably buy a commander size aluminum frame.

If I was king of the military I would just go Glock 19 Gen 4 with night sites because of the cost vs. use/durability.
1. You just can't beat Glock durability, cost, easy maintenance, and availability of accessories and holsters. Its a simple manual of arms and they cost less than others.
2. The Gen 4 has a bigger magazine release and comes with back straps so each user could in theory when its issued to them find the sweet spot back strap for them (I know these would end up in a bin in the armory but the option would be there). Will fit probably 95% of regular people in the armed forces.
3. The frames would outlast the Sigs (nominal of about 25k down the pipe before frame cracks around the magazine release) and the cost is below both the Sig and the Beretta.
4. They would be outfitted with the NY1 spring and - connector just to minimize (the almost non issue of spring breaks) and keep a nice DA type pull.
5. Second strike capability is nothing to worry about since everyone is taught tap, rack bang for the most part.
6. Weight is down, the damn thing doesn't weigh anything.
7. Most of the time unless you are military police or security forces on a non war zone installation, for the most part the pistol is a secondary weapon.
8. If people wanted to have extra magazines(and their unit allows it) it won't cost them an arm and leg to get some.
9. Lots of MOLLE pistol pouches will take Glock magazines just fine so your good there, the holsters are a drop in the bucket when you do bulk purchases from safariland and blackhawk.

There are so many upsides to a Glock 19 Gen 4, I logically can't think of a reason the US armed forces shouldn't replace all other pistols outside of special roles such as dog training(revolvers), suppressed use (Hk 45c) etc with a Glock 19 Gen 4 as described above thru attrition of the M9 and Sig Sauers in inventory.

No wonder why I can't find any G19 factory magazines in my area... Plus, the fact that Hillary is leading in the polls.