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Posted: 3/31/2007 11:16:44 PM EDT
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Yes they are and you can get a polymer frame if you want too but I prefer the steel. Mine is a standard blue model but I like it. I put a 22lb spring in it and so far it shoots Double Tap ammo not problem but I have not shot a lot through it.
Sorry I have no pics. 
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Posted: 4/1/2007 5:21:13 PM EDT
[#2]
Don't hold out on me. I know there are some 10mm Witnesses out there.
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Posted: 4/1/2007 5:56:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2007 7:59:34 PM EDT
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Ever considered a grip reduction? I dont like the grip on the G20 either so i had these grip reductions done on my G20s. The bottom one's grip is no bigger than a G17.
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Posted: 4/1/2007 9:19:13 PM EDT
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Not knocking on the Witness by any means. Outstanding weapon and in a 10mm it is rated pretty highly within the 10mm crowd. Witness calls the finish I think your speaking of "WonderFinish"
That said, if you have the extra cash, personally, I would go for a 1006 Smith and Wesson. 5" gun, single stacked, stainless finish. I have the 1066 (4-1/2") and loved it. The 1006 is the same dimensions as the 4506 if you are familiar with them. Just a thought. Course, could always sell your left nut and right kidney and find ya a bren ten! 
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Posted: 4/1/2007 9:32:43 PM EDT
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I've got a Tanfoglio Limited Custom (EAA Witness Elite Limited) in 10mm on order. I'll post pics when it comes in. My next project is going to be a Elite Stock in 9X25.
If you're looking for a Witness 10mm check www.reedsammo.com. He I believe has a few different of the standard steel models and polymers in stock in the 10mm. |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 3:22:51 AM EDT
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I actually had a 1006 a few years ago and didn't like it at all. |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 3:57:23 AM EDT
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I guess it just isn't meant to be Why are you straying from Glocks anyway??? Can you say G29?? |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 7:32:46 AM EDT
[#9]
Here is mine:
Its a great gun. 
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Posted: 4/2/2007 7:35:06 AM EDT
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When you do this you HAVE to let me know how it works out. Very cool gun and caliber. |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 7:38:07 AM EDT
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Mine is. |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 7:41:26 AM EDT
[#12]
Tag! I'm getting the 10mm itch lately.
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Posted: 4/2/2007 8:29:03 AM EDT
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The only real problem I see with the caliber is the fact that nobody (Not even Bar-Sto) is manufacturing the barrels anymore. I may just buy a 9mm barrel and have someone work on it to get it ready for a 9x25. |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 1:55:50 PM EDT
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I love the GLOCK platform, but the 20 and 29 are far too large for my hands. |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 1:58:26 PM EDT
[#15]
old pic but I love my 10mm toys
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Posted: 4/2/2007 4:23:15 PM EDT
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Hey twonami, Since you own both, is the grip frame of the Witness considerably smaller than the GLOCK? I've never actually handled one of them, but the GLOCK grip seems huge. If the Witness isn't much smaller, I guess I'm stuck with another S&W. I would absolutely LOVE a full size single stack GLOCK 9+1 10mm. 
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Posted: 4/2/2007 4:27:04 PM EDT
[#17]
Definately easier to grip but also heavier |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 4:31:50 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks. Have you had any problems with the Witness? |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 4:44:49 PM EDT
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no problems but I did replace the recoil spring with a heavier one due to potential cracking issues with the originally equipped spring. It (the spring) dosen't handle full house 10mm rounds.
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Posted: 4/2/2007 4:54:20 PM EDT
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I hope you're referring to the spring. I don't want an oversized .40 cal.
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Posted: 4/2/2007 4:58:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Yes on the spring |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 5:52:27 AM EDT
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The Witness is not designed for full power 10mm... Read the manual and heed it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 6:23:16 AM EDT
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Thats all I shoot in mine. Why waste your time with anything less if you are going to shoot a 10mm? To be fair, I have a recoil buffer installed in mine, and an 18lb recoil spring, plus mine is polymer which further reduces the chances of stress cracks, so I wouldn't really recommend shooting a lot of max loads through a bone stock steel frame Witness. The 10mm is a great caliber, it really thumps the hell out of stuff. The witness definitely has a smaller more ergonomic grip than the Glock 20, I wanted to like the glock but the grip felt like I was holding a 2x4 and the trigger was FAR worse than the witness. I currently have a 6" match barrel in my witness. I will try to get some more pics of the gun up later. If there is anything specifc you want to see, let me know. |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 8:47:13 AM EDT
[#24]
WTF would be the point? |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 9:08:33 AM EDT
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Put in a 22lb spring and you should be fine. Many other owners manuals of 9mms say do not use +p ammo in they but they run it fine. Some handloaders do crank it up and push the limit and that would be hard on any pistol. If you look at the Double Tap loads and the Corbon stuff they are not just long .40s. They do come undersprung though.
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Posted: 4/3/2007 9:53:31 AM EDT
[#26]
I will say the DA trigger on the Witness is a little rough but SA is fine
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Posted: 4/3/2007 11:08:31 AM EDT
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That gun is not designed for full power 10mm. Take a 180 grainer and push it to 1250-1300 FPS and you will have a failure. It is simply a question of when. Ask me how a 350.00 Witness can cost 650.00 +?? The answer is shipping to and from EAA multiple times to fix 2 cracked slides, and finally a cracked frame.. That is my point. |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 12:31:21 PM EDT
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Your point is invalid. I shoot hotter loads than that and I have no concerns. Using a recoil buffer GREATLY reduces the impact force between the slide and the frame. If you want to shoot full power loads use a recoil buffer, period. Allowing the steel slide to hammer the steel frame is just dumb with a round as energetic as the 10mm. 1911s can develop frame cracks too, any and all steel pistols can do this. Recoil buffers are made for a reason, use them. The local impact stresses generated when steel bodies collide are tremendous. |
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Posted: 4/3/2007 2:34:14 PM EDT
[#29]
where's the best place to get a polymer one? Where do you buy the buffer?
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Posted: 4/3/2007 4:54:31 PM EDT
[#30]
I wish GLOCK would just make a full size single stack 10mm or even a 20SF.
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Posted: 4/3/2007 5:21:00 PM EDT
[#31]
No my point is not invalid. My issues happened with a 22lb. spring Heaviest out there. Please post pics when yours breaks. |
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Posted: 4/4/2007 6:35:45 AM EDT
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The recoil spring has nothing to do with it, in fact the only thing that heavy spring is doing is battering your slide stop pin to shit. The recoil buffer is what prevents the slide from hitting the frame. Anything more than an 18lb recoil spring is excessive. This is a common misconception and I am sorry it cost you so much money. The people at EAA should have told you this but their customer support is pretty clueless so it doesnt surprise me that they didnt. Buffers can be had practically anywhere, the 1911 buffers fit the witness with no modification. My preference is for the soft ones like these: www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=740502 the harder ones last longer, but dont reduce the impact forces as much as the soft ones. Here is a whole bunch of 1911 buffers: www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?tabid=9&categoryid=16046&categorystring=10636***10560***8806***11674*** |
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Posted: 4/4/2007 9:41:11 AM EDT
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How many rounds do you get out of a buffer as far as service life? Thanks for the info about the 1911 one working with no mods. |
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Posted: 4/4/2007 12:10:20 PM EDT
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Well, the manufacturer claims roughly 1000 rounds, so that is probably a decent guess. I only have about 5-700 rounds through mine, 95% of which have been max+ loads of AA#7 under a 180gn bullet and I dont see my buffer failing any time soon. Even with these nasty loads, the recoil on my witness is pretty managable. I have yet to load up any 200 grainers, but I have loaded some pretty damn hot 155 grainers and they just smoke out of there. I really need to buy a chrony to see how fast, but the 6" polygonal barrel I am using surely adds quite a bit of velocity over the stock BBL. Accuracy is very good. The stock sights are OK but a good set of target sights would be nice. I have future plans for this gun involving adding a sight block to the end of the extended barrel to get some more sight radius out of the thing, it'll be a great gun for target shooting or hunting. |
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Posted: 4/4/2007 12:13:03 PM EDT
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Oh, one more thing, if you do get the 6" match barrel, or any of the match barrels EAA has, they have pretty tight chambers and I had to chamfer and polish the feed ramp area a bit and size my brass down smaller than I usually do to get good feeding.
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Posted: 4/5/2007 7:41:55 AM EDT
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There was an article a month or two back in Brownell's WebBench about someone building a duplex recoil spring for the 10mm Witnesses. I think he used the stock recoil spring and then put a cut-down 1911 spring over it, but I may be misremembering that.
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Posted: 4/5/2007 7:52:33 AM EDT
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No fancy recoil springs are needed. Just a 16-18lb spring with a recoil buffer. No amount of spring will prevent the slide from hitting the frame, the buffer is what prevents frame cracks. This is not new information, competition shooters have used polymer buffers for years on guns shooting large amounts of extremely hot ammo. Again, USE A BUFFER if you are shooting full house 10mm out of a steel pistol! HEAVY SPRINGS DO NOTHING TO PREVENT IMPACT RELATED STRESS FRACTURES! |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 8:38:32 AM EDT
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I agree, but a buffer isn't going to help your gun much if you spring is worn out or not heavy enough.
I use them in my Limited .40 guns and it helps me sleep better at night. So far, that's about the only thing I can prove they've done for me. |
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Posted: 4/5/2007 10:58:27 AM EDT
[#39]
A spring too heavy can cause cracks also. Be careful in your mods.
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Posted: 4/5/2007 1:06:47 PM EDT
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Light springs aren't going to hurt the gun if you are using a buffer. Most competitive shooters use 8 - 12 lb springs shooting major loads. |
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Posted: 4/10/2007 8:50:06 AM EDT
[#41]
btt for the other guy asking about 10mm witnesses.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 12:43:16 PM EDT
[#42]
10mm=hand cannon
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:41:43 PM EDT
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What is your definition of a hand cannon then cleatus? A 200 gr projo moving at 1300 fps is pretty impressive, not to mention the fact that there are 15 of them instead of 6. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:11:50 PM EDT
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omg not again  |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:13:13 PM EDT
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I'm such a pic whore |
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