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Posted: 5/16/2005 10:53:49 PM EST
Just decided to give the 10mm model 20 a try. Never shot one before so does anyone have any info on this gun? I have a model 17 which I like and had a model 21 which I hated and sold. I have never been a big glock fan but I am giving them another chance. I got spoiled on Sigs and H&K's!
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 11:27:05 PM EST
My advice to you is "shoot it a lot". My thoughts are "Iwant one too".
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 12:35:24 AM EST
Although I think Glocks have all the appeal of a 2x4
covered with black shoe polish . I do own a model 20 .
because it's is probably the best 10mm platform .

It sits on my nightstand with a UTL and 16 rounds
of 180 Grain XTP-JHP's that leave the muzzle at 1350 FPS .
Which is fine for me since I live alone and my closest neighbor
is 500+ yds away .

The weapon itself is big and heavy so recoil isn't bad .
Accuracy is great and reliability has been .......

What can I say , it's a Glock they need to be reliable to
make up for the ugly
Link Posted: 5/17/2005 12:45:10 AM EST
You'll get 20 replies here that a 10mm is TOO expensive to shoot yada yada yada. Buy your ammo online if you don't reload.

Here's an example for 200gr TMJ 10mm Blazer (actually very nice ammo) from Natchez.

$12.16 per box 50 rounds.

Link Posted: 5/17/2005 12:48:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/17/2005 12:49:04 AM EST by gotm4]
Double-tap! DOH!

Link Posted: 5/17/2005 6:49:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/17/2005 6:50:27 AM EST by Aim4MyHead]
i love my G20. 10mm is probably my all time favorite handgun caliber. It's like gun crack. Shoot it once and you're hooked. Not too mention the G20 is the best 10mm plateform on the market. how can you go wrong with 16 rounds of 10mm. 10mm gets everyone's attention at the range. Another great thing about 10mm are glazer silver tips... 10mm moving at 1650 fps.

Link Posted: 5/17/2005 7:44:45 AM EST
Check out Doubletap Ammo's website for warmer 10mm loadings.

Register on Glocktalk and examine the "10 Ring" forum.

Consider a 3.5lb connector. The G20 is an accurate and powerful pistol and it deserves a better than factory trigger pull.

Adjustable sights are nice, as you will find a variation in point of impact with the warmer rounds compared to the weenie 10mm as it is loaded from the "big" factories.

Consider reloading. If you decide to hotrod the G20, get a replacement barrel from an aftermarket source. Glock 10mm barrels are fine for sane rounds, but the chambers don't offer the case support that the aftermarket barrels (Jarvis, KKM, Etc.) do.

Consider an aftermarket barrel chambered in 40S&W if you choose not to reload. The cost savings will add up, as you will definately enjoy shooting the G20. You can get an el cheapo replacement barrel from Federal Arms for under a hundred bucks. Mine have dropped in and 40 S&W feeds just fine out of the factory 10mm magazines. It makes for a soft shooting beast!

Enjoy and congrats,

Link Posted: 5/17/2005 5:11:29 PM EST
Thanks for all the info guys. It sound like this gun will be a lot of fun to shoot. I am going to look into reloading with the price of the ammo. I like the idea of getting a 40 S&W barrell. I'm gonna look into getting one of those. Thanks for all the advice. Also where can I get that reduced trigger pull kit????
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 4:10:38 AM EST
There are trigger connectors up the wazoo. I don't have a recommendation for the single best choice available, but I am rapidly going through all the ones on the market. They include the Factory 3.5lb connector, the Scherer 3.5lb Connector, the Ghost 3.5lb connector and finally the Ghost Rocket 3.5lb connector. I haven't installed the Ghost Rocket yet, but it could be the best as it incorporates a trigger stop. Currently I am using the Scherer 3.5lb connector.

You can get all of these at Lone Wolf (www.lonewolfdist.com) and Glockmeister and Topglock.

I advise getting a Glock disassembly tool for small money- 7 bucks.

The 3.5lb connector will drop the pull weight (obviously) but you will be more aware of the creep and overtravel in the trigger pull. Do a search online for "25 cent Glock trigger job" and you will get detailed instructions on disassembly as well as where to polish the internal parts. This will help with smoothing out the pull.

Don't get discouraged if it isn't magically transformed into a crisp 3lb 1911 glass rod pull. It probably won't ever be, but there are companies out there that advertise "crisp" trigger jobs on Glocks. I can't advise you as I haven't used their services. One thing I have noticed- YMMV- is the smaller frame (17 and 19) Glocks have less trigger travel- they break with less overtravel- than the bigger frame Glocks (20/21). It is overtravel that makes the sight picture "wiggle" when the striker drops.

The analogy of 10mm being "gun crack" you read above is an excellent one. I am guessing you will become fond of the G20, but you will LOVE the 10mm round. It gives you .357 magnum power with less weight, less recoil- no kidding- and a 16round capacity.

The plastic frame of the Glock seems to really help tame the recoil of the warmer 10mm loads.

Once again,
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 8:21:17 AM EST
buy lots of mags and full powered ammo

Link Posted: 5/18/2005 8:22:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/18/2005 8:25:27 AM EST by Rose]
Why do the major manufactures load the 10mm like they do? (info is from the manufactures)

  • Speer CCI Blazer: 200gr, 1050fps, 5" barrel

  • Federal American Eagle: 180gr, 1060fps, 5" barrel

  • Federal Ballisticlean: 135gr, 1190fps, 5" barrel (40S&W is identical w/ a 4" barrel!)

  • Federal Hydra-Shok: 180gr, 1030fps, 5" barrel

  • Remington UMC: 180gr, 1150fps, 5" barrel

  • verses

  • Double Tap w/ Nosler JHP: 135gr, 1600fps, 4.6" barrel (G20)

  • Double Tap w/GD: 180gr, 1300fps, 4.6" barrel (G20)

  • Double Tap w/ XTP: 200gr, 1250fps, 4.6" barrel (G20)

What's the logic behind this dramatic difference??

Oh, and I too want a G20--talk about firepower!!
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 8:32:10 AM EST
a lot of the big manufacturers load the 10mm at pretty tame velocities (barely more than a .40). This is mainly because of the FBI's little experiment with 10mm. When the FBI adopted the 10mm (this was only for a short time) they quickly realized that many of their agents couldn't handle the kick so they had the ammo downloaded. The loading stuck. Double tap has recently brought the 10mm back to its former glory.
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 9:27:09 AM EST
I believe that the only factoy made hot 10mm round is the Winchester silver tip hollow point.
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 9:41:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By jualdeaux:
I believe that the only factoy made hot 10mm round is the Winchester silver tip hollow point.

Yup. Super-X SilverTip HP: 175gr, 1290fps, 5.5" barrel
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 10:22:41 AM EST
The double tap is still the hottest around, and the Gold Dot is a much better bullet.
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 4:18:19 PM EST
I have a box of RBCD that I have not tried yet, but it sounds interesting.

RBCD 10mm 77grain 2420fps 1010flbs (fast but light as hell)

Of course you cannot go wrong with the Winchester silver tip hp.
Link Posted: 5/18/2005 8:15:38 PM EST
rbcd is novelty ammo. It fails to sufficiently penetrate.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:00:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By clubsoda22:
rbcd is novelty ammo. It fails to sufficiently penetrate.

That was my initial thought as well. My brother in-law bought this ammo, but I am happy to give a try. We will do some penetration test on the RBCD ammo as well as others in the near future, so I will personally see how it compares to other ammo.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:13:09 PM EST
I own two, a 20 & a 29. My advice is shoot the crap out of it so you get a good feel for it. Ammo ain't too painful if you buy in bulk. If you get it one box at a time, then be prepared to pay.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:20:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By txgp17:
I own two, a 20 & a 29. My advice is shoot the crap out of it so you get a good feel for it. Ammo ain't too painful if you buy in bulk. If you get it one box at a time, then be prepared to pay.

So very true. The local gun shops charge an arm & a leg for 10mm ammo. Buy in bulk & save.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:47:58 PM EST
Hey txgp17 do you have any advice on where to get 10mm in bulk??
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