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Posted: 9/19/2004 8:55:29 PM EST
I'm in the market for a 9mm. My first 9mm. What would you recommend and why. My budget is around 500 to 600 bucks.

Thanks
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:00:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:04:30 PM EST
+ 1 on the Hi-Power and I might even add a Sig to that.

MT
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:05:20 PM EST
A CZ 75 is a nice choice as well as the ones above.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:07:46 PM EST
Isn't the Hi-power way over 600 bucks?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:08:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Browning Hi-Power or Glock 19




I must be seeing things
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:08:38 PM EST
Shop around, I got my P7M8 for close to $700
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:09:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Shop around, I got my P7M8 for close to $700



What the heck is a p7m8?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:22:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:25:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Browning Hi-Power or Glock 19



Hey, he said under $600.

The Browning has the classic proven appeal.

The Glock 19 is the thinking man's Glock, and pretty much the only one I like out of the entire line.

If you went a little higher, or else considered a used Police Trade-in, Id say SIG P226.



Would you pick a Sig P226 over a Glock 19?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:26:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Shop around, I got my P7M8 for close to $700



What the heck is a p7m8?



Nevermind..I've test fired one of these and I was not impressed. It didn't feel right.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:29:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:30:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By John91498:
Would you pick a Sig P226 over a Glock 19?



Normally.



Why? I can get a glock for $450 and A Sig for $650. Is the Sig worth the extra two bills?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 10:04:02 PM EST
sig pro
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 10:05:46 PM EST
Sig P226 or USP9f.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 10:06:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By John91498:
Would you pick a Sig P226 over a Glock 19?



Normally.



Why? I can get a glock for $450 and A Sig for $650. Is the Sig worth the extra two bills?



If you had the money would you buy a Lexus or a Ferrari? Both do the job--but one does it better.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 10:30:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 10:32:07 PM EST by John91498]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By John91498:
Would you pick a Sig P226 over a Glock 19?



Normally.



Why? I can get a glock for $450 and A Sig for $650. Is the Sig worth the extra two bills?



If you had the money would you buy a Lexus or a Ferrari? Both do the job--but one does it better.



Really? Do you have experience with both? The nines...

Oh, btw, the Lexus is much more comfortable to me. I drove a Ferrari 360...way too rigid for a smooth ride...
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 11:21:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 11:23:39 PM EST by Confederate]
SIG P228.... And I would also take the Lexus in a second over a Ferrari.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 11:36:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By John91498:
Would you pick a Sig P226 over a Glock 19?



Normally.



Why? I can get a glock for $450 and A Sig for $650. Is the Sig worth the extra two bills?



If you had the money would you buy a Lexus or a Ferrari? Both do the job--but one does it better.



Really? Do you have experience with both? The nines...

Oh, btw, the Lexus is much more comfortable to me. I drove a Ferrari 360...way too rigid for a smooth ride...



I have experience with Glock and Sig, but not Lexus and Ferrari

Glock--grip angle all wrong, for me at least. Sights are weak plastic, fit and finish is....lets not go there. Trigger sucks. Not just heavy but rough and long.

Sig--ergonomics are perfect. For me, YMMV. Trigger is still heavy in DA, but then its SA, somewhat smoother and a smith can make it better. Glock triggers arent as tuneable. Fit and finish, esp. in a german made Sig, are impeccable. The controls also function better for me.

I really like HK personally. Its my favorite. I have the USP45f. And a G21. My dad has a G22. Brother had a Sig P226. I also shot a P225. Havnet actually fired the G17, just the .40, but I have fondled them. Cant speak to recoil, but Glock should have the edge, both HK and Sig have slightly more rise, due to a high bore line in your hand. I dont mind.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 11:37:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Confederate:
SIG P228.... And I would also take the Lexus in a second over a Ferrari.



I think I figured out how Glock actually sells pistols in this country


Link Posted: 9/19/2004 11:54:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 12:00:58 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:38:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By CFII:
A CZ 75 is a nice choice as well as the ones above.



I second this. The CZ's are great guns and IMO the best for the money. I own two. One 9mm in Black Polymer and one .40S&W in Satin Nickel. You can get one of these NIB for about $400 and then you can get a holster and a bunch of ammo .
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:51:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Browning Hi-Power or Glock 19



+1

GiddeeUp!!
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:30:56 AM EST
Browning and Glock good recomendations,

Also look at the Springfield XD, good gun but its pretty new and doesn't have the following of Glock.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 9:14:15 AM EST
Whatever you do, dont go plastic.

My recommendations are: Beretta 92FS, Browning Hi Power, Sig 226, or a CZ75. All metal framed guns, all proven designs.

I would advise you go to a shooting range and rent one of each to see which you like best.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 9:42:43 AM EST
Glock 17.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 12:12:45 PM EST
If you want a tool, get a glock.

If you want a precision machine, get a hi-power.

Buy a used MK III, get a trigger job, and you're good to go.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 12:50:36 PM EST
Glock 17 is a good one.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:44:31 PM EST
I'm a cheap bastard. How about a High Point?

I'M JUST KIDDING!!!!!

Even if the are reliable. They are ugly as sin.

There is some wisdom to the option of buying a less expensive gun and buying ammo and whatever else. If you do any kind of regular shooting you will see that even though 9mm ammo is cheaper, it's still like a little kid that just gobbles up the food which translates into money. My dad gave me a collection of guns and I basically had to pick which ones I was going to shoot regularily so I can have enough money to do so. If I shot my .35 remington regularly it's definitely much more expensive than my ar unless you only buy super expensive .223. At least with .223 (and 9mm) you have the option to practice with "cheaper" ammo. Whereas you don't with other calibers unless you handload.

I have an pre ban taurus model 92 as and It is a fine pistol. If you buy one knew though it's up there in price.

If you buy at a gun store that has a range, most of the time they'll let you shoot it first if they know you're serious.

Just my humble 2 cents
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 5:02:02 PM EST
Go Glock!

Find what fits your hand the best, 17 or 19 can't go wrong!

Sigs are very nice guns, but if you're picking only one, go with the Glock.

Link Posted: 9/20/2004 5:15:45 PM EST
Walther P99
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:00:27 AM EST
The P99 is a great gun (I have a QA model with the DA only trigger) and will fit your budget. The Beretta 92 is another great gun in that price range (just under $600 new in most places). I have also shot Glocks and find them to be extremely accurate and very easy to shoot, but the ergonomics are not as good as the Walther or the Beretta. My personal favorite in 9mm is the HK USP full size, but you will have to drop closer to $700 for one of those. As mentioned above, I would try to shoot as many as you can before you make your final choice. Most ranges have a pretty decent rental selection and it is worth the $5 plus the expensive ammo they make you shoot to save you from buying a gun you aren't really thrilled with.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:04:31 AM EST
CZ75

Fit, finish, accuracy, function, reliability... It's like a somewhat modified HiPower. Mine runs like a champ, and is more accurate than I am. Grip angle like a 1911. The polycoat finish is nice. I scored mine at Academy about a year ago for $389.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:13:42 AM EST
Another vote for the full size G17.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:53:37 AM EST
go to the next gun show and play with all the quality brands. pick em up, close your eyes and see if the sights are lined up at what your pointing at.

this is probably gonna be your 1st of MANY guns. do you really want to learn the backasswards manual of arms of a sig?

best counter terrorist guys in the world (sas) use(d) hi powers.

rent as many as you can.

seems mostly old dudes have a problem with plastic guns.

i miss the cz75 i bought nib for $300.

good luck!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 1:10:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Browning Hi-Power or Glock 19



+ 1 on both... add to the list a used Sig 226 ... factory referbished police trade-ins are great.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 1:11:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:
Isn't the Hi-power way over 600 bucks?



Nope.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 1:12:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:
Isn't the Hi-power way over 600 bucks?



Nope. Not always... much like their 1911 cousins they can be had for less than 500 or 3x that depending on manufacturer
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:43:29 PM EST
Buy a Glock, its absolutely impossible to get confused with the intricities of the gun, its operation, and amount of parts during field stripping. If theres is such thing as a absolutely dummy-proof gun, it is a Glock. Did I mention they are reliable as hell too?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:02:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By druncuncas:
go to the next gun show and play with all the quality brands. pick em up, close your eyes and see if the sights are lined up at what your pointing at.

this is probably gonna be your 1st of MANY guns. do you really want to learn the backasswards manual of arms of a sig?

best counter terrorist guys in the world (sas) use(d) hi powers.

rent as many as you can.

seems mostly old dudes have a problem with plastic guns.

i miss the cz75 i bought nib for $300.

good luck!



Hey! I'm not an old guy and I dont care for plastic guns either.

The Springfield XD is a good buy. Its in the proper price range for what a plastic gun should cost, under $400, at least the last I checked. Though... I have noticed a hike in price trend, so soon they will be equally overpriced as plastic H&K's and Glocks. IMO.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:09:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedr13:

Originally Posted By CFII:
A CZ 75 is a nice choice as well as the ones above.



I second this. The CZ's are great guns and IMO the best for the money. I own two. One 9mm in Black Polymer and one .40S&W in Satin Nickel. You can get one of these NIB for about $400 and then you can get a holster and a bunch of ammo .



+2

These fit my hands better than anything else.

Well, guns anyway
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:12:12 PM EST
I trully don't understand why anybody would buy a Glock when the Springfield XD is obviously a much better gun. Just as reliable, more accurate, better trigger, and better ergonomics.

Other than that, I'd say HiPower.

I've had mine for 9 years, and put all kinds of ammo through it, and with all kinds of aftermarket mags.

Never a malfunction. Ever.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:48:57 AM EST
Get a CZ75!!!
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 1:51:44 PM EST
Glocks dont look as ugly as XD's. Less to clean on a glock also.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 2:02:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Glocks dont look as ugly as XD's. Less to clean on a glock also.



+a lower barrell axis and no grip safety
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:43:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Glocks dont look as ugly as XD's. Less to clean on a glock also.




Actually I've always thought Glocks were some of the ugliest handguns out there. So I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. XD's look find to me.

Never had any complaints about cleaning my XD. AK's are easier to clean than AR's, but I still prefer the AR platform for many reasons.



Somebody mentioned bore axis?

Haven't looked into that, but the grip angle is much more ergonomic on the XD.

The Glock has always felt crappy in my hands, and never "natural". I think in part to the grip angle.

Before buying an XD I tried almost every major 9mm on the market. If not actually shooting one, at least handling it.


None had as good of a trigger (besides the SA/DA guns with the light first pull triggers) than the XD. A big factor for me.

And most importantly, none pointed as naturally more for me like a 1911, than an XD.

Oh, and the grip safety is a nice safety feature on DA only gun. Of course, that is just my opion.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 3:58:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 4:00:32 PM EST by hydroshok]
Dont listen to these Glock haters, get a Glock 17, or 19, i have owned 5 or 6 in the past 10 years in .40 and 9mm, keep em clean and you will have no problems!
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:59:44 PM EST
Hell, makem dirty and glocks still shoot fine, I agree 100% with the guy who likes his XD, the grip angle on Glocks does suck, but if you enjoy shooting Ruger MKIII's or Luger's then youll be fine. Ive never had a problem shooting a pistol of one type any better than another, but I still have preferences, right now I think the Beretta Vertec's have the best grip of any 9mm platform its a toss up between a vertec and a BHP for my next pistol but probably gonna be the Beretta.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 6:39:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 6:41:45 PM EST by wildearp]

Originally Posted By Confederate:
SIG P228.... And I would also take the Lexus in a second over a Ferrari.



I could make you a great deal on a used 228 with 5 mags. Oooops. CA. No mags for you!
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 9:06:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2004 9:11:21 PM EST by jblachly]
Ooh! Ooh let me play! I've owned a glock 19 and now own a SIG 228.


My first gun .. bought last november, was a Glock 19. Nice gun, fun gun, value priced, very reliable (** see exception below). However a couple of things I didn't like about it:
1. Trigger pull was light(ish) and with no external safety, it made me nervous to e.g. toss it in my glovebox
2. The grip angle just did NOT point well for me
3. The stock mag followers WILL NOT feed hollowpoints reliably on the last few rounds in the mag. This is a KNOWN PROBLEM. If you still decide to go with the G19, buy "9mm3" followers from somewhere or glock will send you 9mm1 followers for free

---

I "upgraded" 2 months ago to a SIG P228. I absolutely love it, no question. The ONLY thing I might consider a disadvantage (it's heavier, as its made of steel) is still an advantage: in unlikely event of kaboom, the steel is going to hold up a LOT better than plastic... Anyway, the things I like better about my SIG 228 are
1. DA/SA .. I really like this better, even though I thought I wouldn't
2. Grip angle WAY better (its a personal thing tho)
3. Feeds everything I've thrown at it.
4. Oh also it looks beautiful =)

Any questions feel free to ask. the 228 is only slightly larger than the G19 and still conceals well for me 5'11" 170# with IWB leather, even in Arkansas in the summer!


edited to add:
go to www.onpointfirearms.com/ and the Sig 228 w/ hi-viz front site (April gun of the month) is only $567 -- yes they're in FLA so you'll have to do a transfer, but that should fit within your budget.

(imagine the following pic with a fiber-optic front site)
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