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Posted: 8/16/2005 3:57:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:22:42 PM EDT
Won't that grip make the gun an SBR? But honestly its not like the ATF is cnstantly staring down our throats. Well, I take that back. With as many guns as some of you buy, you might be on their list.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:32:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:38:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ikor:
Should be perfectly legal so far as I can see...no problem.



I would wait for the experts to chime in before anybody goes ahead and installs one on their glock. I think it would make your pistol an AOW under the NFA rules.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:38:32 PM EDT
I think the ATF would see the gun and look thru the 10,000 page law book and find nothing pertaining to the gun and grip, scratch their heads, pass some new laws and make the book 10,001 pages long. I really can't say but to me it's a pistol with a attachable folding forward grip. What's the law pertaining to that?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:52:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 5:23:06 PM EDT by Fister]
Yeah AOW thats what I was thinking but just couldnt get it out in time
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:06:14 PM EDT
Well they dont have any in stock, or that is what they are saying because they found out it is a NO-NO to us regular folks.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:37:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fister:
Experts feel free to chime in but to me that looks like it may fall under the same scrutiny as a sub machine gun



No flame, but wouldn't it be an AOW? If it were installed on a registered Glock 18 then it wouldn't matter if it were added because you can have a MG in any configuration ie. SBR, AOW, pistol, etc.

Another, ,and to me more important question, is 'why'? Unless it was on a Glock 18 where full auto fire would make it more difficult to control than a semi-auto (according to my vast experience in shooting Glock 18's).

Why ask why.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:42:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 5:44:18 PM EDT by JaketheSnake]
Who ever said AOW gets a nice chocolate chip cookie!

Any Other Weapon. Still requires a tax stamp like SBR or silencers.

C-4 Youre correct. Let's say you buy a UZI you only have to fill out the forms for a MG, not for a SBR.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:45:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 5:49:06 PM EDT by dullh]
Stupid looking and pointless all in one package!
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:45:40 PM EDT
Legal or not, its retarded.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:54:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 7:54:58 PM EDT by qiqazz]

Originally Posted By dullh:
Stupid looking and pointless all in one package!


+1

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Legal or not, its retarded.


+1
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:01:18 PM EDT
definitly gettin one of them!

AOW
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:03:43 PM EDT
Dont beat me up, but I asked this question a year ago. The answer that I got was that the since the front grip did not effect the way the pistol was originally designed to be fired it was legal.

Again, I'm looking for the quote, but I think I deleted it.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:11:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Legal or not, its retarded.



Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:21:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Legal or not, its retarded.



+1
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:49:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:50:38 AM EDT by Swillis]
thats like sleeping with your sister ...it's jsut wrong
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:52:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swillis:
thats like sleeping with your sister ...it's jsut wrong


but it feels so good
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:28:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Legal or not, its retarded.



Don't be a hater, dog.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:14:46 AM EDT
I remember wanting to put one on an HK SP-89. Guess what.....I would've had to pay the $200 tax. What's even more ignorant is my local Sheriff wouldn't sign the damn ATF form. Geesh.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:32:05 AM EDT
good, you would have looked like a dork

Originally Posted By racezilla500:
I remember wanting to put one on an HK SP-89. Guess what.....I would've had to pay the $200 tax. What's even more ignorant is my local Sheriff wouldn't sign the damn ATF form. Geesh.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 8:56:48 AM EDT
When Bushmaster came out with their no-ban AR pistols with the picatinny rail along the bottom of the handguard I thought it would be fun to get one and stick a vertical grip on it. Then I was told by the guy who runs the Class III shop in my town where I was looking into costs for a silencer for the whole set-up that sticking a vertical grip on it would qualify it as a Short Barreled Rifle and make it subject to a $200 making tax and the required three month+ wait. That meant I'd be paying a total of $400 in taxes for the whole set up. That cooled off the whole idea.

But it did seem stupid that by sticking a vertical grip on it suddenly it's Class III, but if I take it off then it isn't anymore.

Also, Lumpy presents a pretty solid argument.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:24:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
good, you would have looked like a dork

Originally Posted By racezilla500:
I remember wanting to put one on an HK SP-89. Guess what.....I would've had to pay the $200 tax. What's even more ignorant is my local Sheriff wouldn't sign the damn ATF form. Geesh.




SO, I'm assuming you think the HK MP5-K makes you look like a dork too? Whatever.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:40:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By racezilla500:

Originally Posted By ggllggll:
good, you would have looked like a dork

Originally Posted By racezilla500:
I remember wanting to put one on an HK SP-89. Guess what.....I would've had to pay the $200 tax. What's even more ignorant is my local Sheriff wouldn't sign the damn ATF form. Geesh.




SO, I'm assuming you think the HK MP5-K makes you look like a dork too? Whatever.



gllgll stick this into your address bar. The SP89 foregrip wouldn't be fruity like the one for the Glock, it actually would be pretty cool(foregrip not pictured- this will, however, give you an idea of what the SP89 is) http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/orig/sp89.htm
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 2:25:53 AM EDT
A forward hand grip on the Bushmaster pistols would be cool if you did not have to do the $200 tax deal. It looks stupid on the Glock though. Now if they ever realy make a carbine that might be different.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 3:29:57 AM EDT
My first question would be why?
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:26:45 AM EDT
It would make it an AOW not because of the way you actually hold the gun, but because of the ATF definition of a Pistol. A Pistol can have only one "pistol grip" or it is classified as an "any other weapon".

People also get confused on the issue of the $200 or $5 Tax Stamps. If "YOU" put that folding grip on your pistol then "YOU" are the "MAKER" of the AOW and the Tax Stamp will cost you $200. If Glock sends the pistol from their factory with that folding grip already on it, then "THEY" are the maker and you only pay a $5 "transfer" Tax Stamp.

Hope this helps,
MadDog
P.S. That particular folding grip looks stupid IMHO.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:55:55 PM EDT
On a glock 18...perhaps, if those currently made for law enforcement have a rail on the front like the rest of glock's products, but on a regular semi auto glock, it doesn't seem like a smart accessory. I don't know about the legal aspects of it, though if you can't legally put a grip like that on an HK SP89, then I don't know how you could on a glock.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 1:22:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
My first question would be why?



Well, If I had it on the Bushmaster model that I am thinking of and I used it with a shoulder rig sling and a red dot it would be esier to control I think. To each his own. Personaly I would still rather have a carbine or a 12ga shot gun.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 6:41:44 AM EDT
might as well get one of those stocks that plugs into the hole in the back strap and get charged with an illegal SBR while you're at it
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 8:16:40 AM EDT
Anyway it is a NO-NO unless the Goverment has your money. Funny how Chaeperthendirt does not say that in the website or catalog. All NFA rules apply.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:56:44 PM EDT
I suppose it would come in handy if you had a stock on it like so:

http://nas4.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/036100000/36100709/pix473884343.jpg
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 11:38:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 12:26:29 PM EDT by KillAgain]
OMG THAT IS RETARDED!

I bet anyone who sees this and thinks it is cool would love to have a foward grip and a stock on their toothbrush.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=20085&page=1
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