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Posted: 8/20/2023 11:03:20 PM EST
I took my new 9mm RIA to the range today and was left disappointed. I had a great .45 from them a decade ago and was hoping that this was gonna be a great little carry gun, but right now it's looking more like a good looking paperweight.

I put about 150 rounds of Winchester 115gr through it, and in the probably 20 mags I forced through it, not a single one was problem free. If it wasn't double feeding, it was failing to eject, and much more commonly it wasn't returning to battery. You could kind of flick your wrist forward and the slide would then close all the way, but that's just ridiculous to me. Even the thumb safety was sticking so bad that it was almost unusable. You could engage it, but it was almost impossible to disengage it though it got a little better after using it for a while, but its still not in what I consider a working condition.

I used the factory mag, and nothing else. I do plan on buying more but now I'm unsure if the mag was part of the problem or not. If someone has better mag suggestions then the MM ones that came with it I'm all ears.

Here's a few pics of the most common issues I had today. I'm guessing that the recoil spring could be part of the problem? The 3rd pic shows it out of battery, and for the majority of shots it was giving me this issue.






My brother was already trying to convince me to return it for service for the thumb safety being so bad, but I thought if that was the only issue then fuck it I'll just replace it with a better one anyways. But with the rest of the issues I'm wondering if I should just send it back and let them sort it out.
fnh
Link Posted: 8/20/2023 11:35:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: Urimaginaryfrnd] [#1]
Try a heavier bullet sometimes the springs have to be matched with the bullet weight / recoil.
Mags can definitely be a problem if there is a chance you can pick up a Wilson Combat or Colt mag try that.

Failing to extract and the crap safety probably means it should go back.
Link Posted: 8/20/2023 11:45:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: Seatbelts] [#2]
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Originally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd:
Try a heavier bullet sometimes the springs have to be matched with the bullet weight / recoil.
Mags can definitely be a problem if there is a chance you can pick up a Wilson Combat or Colt mag try that.

Failing to extract and the crap safety probably means it should go back.
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I was trying to figure out the whole recoil spring, and I wanted to try and get some nighthawk springs but I can't seem to find the one they recommend for the 3.6 officer. They have the ones for .45 but no luck for the one suggested.

I'll see if I can't find some Wilson 9mm mags that fit

Edit: Either way I think sending it for service is probably going to happen no matter what though.
Link Posted: 8/21/2023 12:04:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: Aggie_Gunner] [#3]
I have a fullsize RIA 9mm marketed by Taylor & Company.  Super slick, but the factory recoil spring was too weak.  I went from the factory 12# to a 14# and all the double feeds and failures went away.

Maybe give it a try.

Plus, the factory mags took some breaking in.  MecGars were reliable from the get go.

ETA: Wilson Combat 9mm mags have a funky spacer in them and won't work in a RIA.
Link Posted: 8/21/2023 12:08:26 AM EST
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On its first trip to the range, the slide on my SS SA Garrison 45 ACP jammed open and wouldn't move. When I disassembled it, there was brass built up on the underside of the slide. When I got it cleaned off, I saw an electro penciled, three-digit number protruding from the center rail. The surface of the rail had a soda blasted appearance and hadn't been polished. The factory had missed a finishing operation on the slide.   The slide had apparently scraped brass of the shell casings in the magazine until it built up enough to jam the slide against the frame. I finished the break in with Wolf steel cased ammo, and it functions reliably now.
Link Posted: 8/21/2023 9:46:28 AM EST
[#5]
First pic is a failure to extract.  

Most likely you have a ill fitted extractor Steves Extractor Guide thats FANTASTIC

the problem you describe on the flicking your wrist sounds like a sticking or ill fit disconnector catching the slide. Could be a too light recoil spring.

If you are going to start throwing money at it to fix it without knowing whats wrong I would suggest you send it back.

Your Safety problem is probably easily fixed with a little sandpaper but thats a delicate job and sand the wrong area and you ruin the safety and create an unsafe firearm.

1911s are NOT like polymer guns, you cant just change whatever you want, nearly every part on the gun Normally WILL need fitting for proper function. At the top of that list beyond the normal Slide to frame and Barrel fitting is the Extractor, Safety and Trigger and every part that engages with them.

Yes your recoil spring my be too heavy or too light but you have an extractor problem which is all but guarenteed by the (assumed) fired round still in the chamber in your first pic.

wouldnt surprise me if you have a mag problem too but you need to start with the extractor fitting.

THese are NOT crazy hard jobs but you have to decide if you have the mechanical ability and time to fix it, or if you just want to take the easy route and send it back.

if you decide to do it yourself just realize you will spend some time Learning and may screw up something in the process but when youre done youll have a much better understanding of the 1911 and how it works and how to fix it to keep it running.

The other side to that is since you seem to have multiple problems you might find more problems as you get into it.
Link Posted: 8/21/2023 11:08:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: dump1567] [#6]
If it's new, send it back.  Especially if you don't have the technical knowledge to fix it.

I'd check your extractor tension.

Try different ammo (115 Win. runs a little light on power)

Try different mags.

Try the plop test.  (Drop in a cartridge into the barrel & see if it drops out when held upside down).  The back of the case should also not protrude past the barrel hood but should be somewhat flush.

Hotter ammo & a new mag will be your easiest fix.  If that doesn't do it, send it back.
Link Posted: 8/21/2023 5:32:06 PM EST
[#7]
RIA has gunsmiths which fix their guns, send it back.
Link Posted: 8/23/2023 1:29:50 AM EST
[#8]
Originally Posted By Larrys1911:
First pic is a failure to extract.  

Most likely you have a ill fitted extractor Steves Extractor Guide thats FANTASTIC

the problem you describe on the flicking your wrist sounds like a sticking or ill fit disconnector catching the slide. Could be a too light recoil spring.

If you are going to start throwing money at it to fix it without knowing whats wrong I would suggest you send it back.

Your Safety problem is probably easily fixed with a little sandpaper but thats a delicate job and sand the wrong area and you ruin the safety and create an unsafe firearm.

1911s are NOT like polymer guns, you cant just change whatever you want, nearly every part on the gun Normally WILL need fitting for proper function. At the top of that list beyond the normal Slide to frame and Barrel fitting is the Extractor, Safety and Trigger and every part that engages with them.

Yes your recoil spring my be too heavy or too light but you have an extractor problem which is all but guarenteed by the (assumed) fired round still in the chamber in your first pic.

wouldnt surprise me if you have a mag problem too but you need to start with the extractor fitting.

THese are NOT crazy hard jobs but you have to decide if you have the mechanical ability and time to fix it, or if you just want to take the easy route and send it back.

if you decide to do it yourself just realize you will spend some time Learning and may screw up something in the process but when youre done youll have a much better understanding of the 1911 and how it works and how to fix it to keep it running.

The other side to that is since you seem to have multiple problems you might find more problems as you get into it.
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I managed to get a video of it, I just need to find a second tomorrow to upload it. My uneducated guess when I was at the range was too weak of a recoil spring.

I don't mind spending some money on upgrades at all, and I love to learn the way my guns work and how to work on them but I think the main issue I'm going to have is finding the time to not only replace the parts but then go to the range to test and retest its functionality. In addition to having to pay a range fee to do it


Originally Posted By dump1567:
If it's new, send it back.  Especially if you don't have the technical knowledge to fix it.

I'd check your extractor tension.

Try different ammo (115 Win. runs a little light on power)

Try different mags.

Try the plop test.  (Drop in a cartridge into the barrel & see if it drops out when held upside down).  The back of the case should also not protrude past the barrel hood but should be somewhat flush.

Hotter ammo & a new mag will be your easiest fix.  If that doesn't do it, send it back.
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So I actually discovered upon leaving the range, the store actually had the 9mm MM RIA mags and I got the only one they had left. I was a bit irritated because If I had thought to look before shooting I could have used the other one to help me figure out if it was a mag issue or what causing some of the double feeding issues.

I did shoot about 50 or less blazer brass as well, but I may try some 124gr to see if it helps.



Originally Posted By dogtired:
RIA has gunsmiths which fix their guns, send it back.
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I think this is probably the simplest solution for now, I have never done a warranty claim so I guess I have to figure out how all that works. My brother did say that RIA had some great support so hopefully it won't take months to figure out
Link Posted: 8/23/2023 1:16:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: Larrys1911] [#9]
I think we need to define terms

A failure to "Eject" can be many things but normally its involving a case that has been fired and has been removed from the chamber not finding its way out of the port. in a 1911 this will most commonly be Ammo, Springs, extractor, ejector


A failure to "Extract" is a fired case that has not been removed from the chamber, which I believe is what you show in the picture.  I would like you to explain the too light recoil spring causing that please. (the extractor doesnt LOSE tension because the recoil spring is too light)  Also explain a Mag causing this please.

Too HEAVY a spring might cause it by not letting the slide operate, HOWEVER if that happens and your Extractor is set up correctly it will extract the case when you manually operate the slide.  (slide will most likely not move rearward enough to TRY to chamber a new round either) Too light will eject the case with more force.



a "Double feed" is two UNFIRED rounds trying to occupy the chamber at the same time, That generally is a Mag issue.


Good luck

Link Posted: 8/23/2023 1:40:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: Just10mm] [#10]
Your chamber likely needs finish reamed and your extractor tuned.

If you’re unable to do those things I would send it back with photos to be repaired.

Also, Winchester WB 115 gr is about the worst commercial ammo available. I would suggest some higher quality 124 gr fmj for your next go around (after repairs are made) and a couple different magazine brands to try out.

Once you get a couple hundred problem free rounds through it you can fine tune recoil spring rates etc, with the ammo you choose.
Link Posted: 8/23/2023 10:31:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Larrys1911:
I think we need to define terms

A failure to "Eject" can be many things but normally its involving a case that has been fired and has been removed from the chamber not finding its way out of the port. in a 1911 this will most commonly be Ammo, Springs, extractor, ejector


A failure to "Extract" is a fired case that has not been removed from the chamber, which I believe is what you show in the picture.  I would like you to explain the too light recoil spring causing that please. (the extractor doesnt LOSE tension because the recoil spring is too light)  Also explain a Mag causing this please.

Too HEAVY a spring might cause it by not letting the slide operate, HOWEVER if that happens and your Extractor is set up correctly it will extract the case when you manually operate the slide.  (slide will most likely not move rearward enough to TRY to chamber a new round either) Too light will eject the case with more force.



a "Double feed" is two UNFIRED rounds trying to occupy the chamber at the same time, That generally is a Mag issue.


Good luck

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Gotcha, Ya so It would usually eject so I guess it would be more of a failure to extract. I didn't take pictures of every failure for obvious reasons but most of the time I had to take the mag out, cycle the slide to fix the issue and then reload.

The mag issue is a bit harder because I'm really not entirely sure what options I have because of the type of mag it is. I got lucky and found another RIA branded mag at the range and bought it, but I'm unsure of what mags will work with this because its a 8 round, 9mm mag. Hopefully someone else makes some so I can compare.

Here's a gif that shows the biggest issue. (I apologize for my disgusting hands, I'm a welder and the dirt is ingrained in my pores now lol)

After firing, and then flicking it forward it would fire again assuming that it didn't double feed or otherwise jam.




Originally Posted By Just10mm:
Your chamber likely needs finish reamed and your extractor tuned.

If you’re unable to do those things I would send it back with photos to be repaired.

Also, Winchester WB 115 gr is about the worst commercial ammo available. I would suggest some higher quality 124 gr fmj for your next go around (after repairs are made) and a couple different magazine brands to try out.

Once you get a couple hundred problem free rounds through it you can fine tune recoil spring rates etc, with the ammo you choose.
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Ok, I'll pick up some different ammo and some 124gr to see if that helps. Do you have a recoil spring suggestion for brand or?

I'm going to write up the RMA tomorrow and see what exactly they say I guess. Hopefully they can figure it out whats going on and don't send it back without doing anything
Link Posted: 8/23/2023 10:56:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Seatbelts:


Gotcha, Ya so It would usually eject so I guess it would be more of a failure to extract. I didn't take pictures of every failure for obvious reasons but most of the time I had to take the mag out, cycle the slide to fix the issue and then reload.

The mag issue is a bit harder because I'm really not entirely sure what options I have because of the type of mag it is. I got lucky and found another RIA branded mag at the range and bought it, but I'm unsure of what mags will work with this because its a 8 round, 9mm mag. Hopefully someone else makes some so I can compare.

Here's a gif that shows the biggest issue. (I apologize for my disgusting hands, I'm a welder and the dirt is ingrained in my pores now lol)

After firing, and then flicking it forward it would fire again assuming that it didn't double feed or otherwise jam.

https://i.imgflip.com/7wqy2l.gif




Ok, I'll pick up some different ammo and some 124gr to see if that helps. Do you have a recoil spring suggestion for brand or?

I'm going to write up the RMA tomorrow and see what exactly they say I guess. Hopefully they can figure it out whats going on and don't send it back without doing anything
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You may not need to mess with the recoil spring at all. I think you have a tight chamber / extractor issue / ammo issue in that order. I’d wager that if RIA finish reams your chamber, tunes your extractor and you feed it some 124 gr fmj it will run like a top.

Keep in mind however that the shorter the barrel length the more finicky a 1911 platform pistol can be to tune so some patience and trial and error may be necessary.

Also, when you get new magazines load them a few days before you go to the range to let the springs take a set.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:25:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: Larrys1911] [#13]
you have an extractor problem, and possibly a mag problem. You are seeing the extractor nose contacting the rim of the case, its tension is bad because all it takes is a flick of your wrist to close the slide.

2nd problem is your mag is allowing it to push feed in front of the extractor rather than being controlled by it. You could install a stronger recoil spring and it may solve the problem until you snap the tip off of your extractor which will happen if you keep doing that.

unfortunately I have no Idea about mags, the gold standard in a full size (IMO) is the MecGar and there is a knockoff out there that LOOKS like it but is not on close inspection. Tisas ships them... they LOOK like it until you put them side by side and then .... THEY DONT.  They should work with your gun but they are 10 round and will obviously stick out of the bottom of the gun.

They may also make a shorter mag, someone does, I have seen some place where they actually mod the mags to fit correctly but I dont remember who or where or how much.
Its a short 9mm though and as noted above its going to be more sensitive to everything being correct to work right and be reliable. A full size is easier to tune.

And dont applolgize for working for a living, EVER!

my personal advise to you, Send it back.  

If not, I would buy another extractor and practice fitting the stock one but I wouldnt trust it to be right. Then when you understand how its done work on the new one (EGW IMO is the place to go here and for the stop) . I would also replace the Firing pin stop with a fitted one (it controls the extractor fitting). I would do some research on mags and buy good ones. baring that for a quick learning experience buy a MecGar - you can find them online for less than $20 and see if that makes it work. I think your springs are fine at the moment.

Last you should check the breachface and make sure it is SMOOTH and has no irregularities, thats a common issue with 1911s and as the price goes down the likelyhood of that exsisting goes up. especially look in the corner on the Opposite side of the ejection port.  If you see something wrong there, SEND IT BACK and note it when you do. not that you cant fix it but thats a pretty touchy place to start learning on.

Good luck.

edited to add, its a 1911, ride the thumb safety with your thumb, it helps with control AND it MAKES you get as high on the gun as you can.
Link Posted: 8/27/2023 11:45:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Larrys1911:
you have an extractor problem, and possibly a mag problem. You are seeing the extractor nose contacting the rim of the case, its tension is bad because all it takes is a flick of your wrist to close the slide.

2nd problem is your mag is allowing it to push feed in front of the extractor rather than being controlled by it. You could install a stronger recoil spring and it may solve the problem until you snap the tip off of your extractor which will happen if you keep doing that.

unfortunately I have no Idea about mags, the gold standard in a full size (IMO) is the MecGar and there is a knockoff out there that LOOKS like it but is not on close inspection. Tisas ships them... they LOOK like it until you put them side by side and then .... THEY DONT.  They should work with your gun but they are 10 round and will obviously stick out of the bottom of the gun.

They may also make a shorter mag, someone does, I have seen some place where they actually mod the mags to fit correctly but I dont remember who or where or how much.
Its a short 9mm though and as noted above its going to be more sensitive to everything being correct to work right and be reliable. A full size is easier to tune.

And dont applolgize for working for a living, EVER!

my personal advise to you, Send it back.  

If not, I would buy another extractor and practice fitting the stock one but I wouldnt trust it to be right. Then when you understand how its done work on the new one (EGW IMO is the place to go here and for the stop) . I would also replace the Firing pin stop with a fitted one (it controls the extractor fitting). I would do some research on mags and buy good ones. baring that for a quick learning experience buy a MecGar - you can find them online for less than $20 and see if that makes it work. I think your springs are fine at the moment.

Last you should check the breachface and make sure it is SMOOTH and has no irregularities, thats a common issue with 1911s and as the price goes down the likelyhood of that exsisting goes up. especially look in the corner on the Opposite side of the ejection port.  If you see something wrong there, SEND IT BACK and note it when you do. not that you cant fix it but thats a pretty touchy place to start learning on.

Good luck.

edited to add, its a 1911, ride the thumb safety with your thumb, it helps with control AND it MAKES you get as high on the gun as you can.
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Awesome thanks so much for helping me figure this out. I sent an email Saturday so hopefully they get back to me soon.

I'm helping my wife get ready for her CCW class so I'll take this with us to the range and try both 124gr ammo and the other mag I got to see if it makes any difference but as you mentioned, it sounds like its something that they are going to have to fix at RIA.


Link Posted: 8/28/2023 6:31:53 AM EST
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Mec-gar makes mags for commander and compact sized 9mm 1911s. I ordered a few of their full size mags to test with my Raider. My WC Vickers EDM mags have been flawless but they are expensive at $60 a mag and only come in full size configuration.

https://gregcotellc.com/cart/1911-mecgar-magazines-c-166/
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 6:58:55 PM EST
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Ok a couple of things I would try that are cheap beyond switching ammo and mags.

Make sure the extractor has the chamfer on the bottom and get it adjusted properly. Next polish/bevel the bottom edge of the chamber. I have seen more than one 1911 that the bottom edge is just sharp enough to grab the brass and slow chambering down a little. Both problems show up with a weak hold vs being more reliable when you hold it real tight.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 11:52:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:
Ok a couple of things I would try that are cheap beyond switching ammo and mags.

Make sure the extractor has the chamfer on the bottom and get it adjusted properly. Next polish/bevel the bottom edge of the chamber. I have seen more than one 1911 that the bottom edge is just sharp enough to grab the brass and slow chambering down a little. Both problems show up with a weak hold vs being more reliable when you hold it real tight.
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:
Ok a couple of things I would try that are cheap beyond switching ammo and mags.

Make sure the extractor has the chamfer on the bottom and get it adjusted properly. Next polish/bevel the bottom edge of the chamber. I have seen more than one 1911 that the bottom edge is just sharp enough to grab the brass and slow chambering down a little. Both problems show up with a weak hold vs being more reliable when you hold it real tight.

Originally Posted By MK318:
Mec-gar makes mags for commander and compact sized 9mm 1911s. I ordered a few of their full size mags to test with my Raider. My WC Vickers EDM mags have been flawless but they are expensive at $60 a mag and only come in full size configuration.

https://gregcotellc.com/cart/1911-mecgar-magazines-c-166/


I can't thank ya enough for finding these, I'm going to order some. I'm not positive in addition to everything else thats going on the factory mag isnt helping one bit. I tried to get a few pics of just how poorly the ammo is seating.


Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:
Ok a couple of things I would try that are cheap beyond switching ammo and mags.

Make sure the extractor has the chamfer on the bottom and get it adjusted properly. Next polish/bevel the bottom edge of the chamber. I have seen more than one 1911 that the bottom edge is just sharp enough to grab the brass and slow chambering down a little. Both problems show up with a weak hold vs being more reliable when you hold it real tight.


I grabbed a few pics, I can't tell if its chamfered enough personally. Let me know if I need better pics.


Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:16:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: Seatbelts] [#18]
Ok to here's the latest pictures and an update from RIA's RMA ticket.

I'm now a bit pissed to be honest. My brother had convinced me that it would be nice and easy to send it back for repairs. Well they finally got back to me yesterday. I have to go find an FFL thats open super late or deal with the odd hours/take off time from work to go to the one I used to do the original transfer AND I get to pay for the transfer back to them, because they no longer allow you to just pop it in the mail/have it repaired and returned to your home. They won't even issue a return mail sticker until the dealer sends them their FFL paperwork.

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I waited to respond until I could get by the range today to try both the new mag and the 124gr ammo.

The issue with the gun not returning to battery was still going on and the number one issue, followed closely by what I was able to get a few pictures of. As soon as it had a malfunction I immediately set it down and took a pic to show exactly how it was failing. Whats interesting is the round in the chamber shown in these is live. It seemed to eject the spent casing this time but whatever the hell is going on, it would then fail to finish chamber a new round all the way.

I used a box of 124gr Blazer and a mag of Norma 124gr before I gave up trying to get it to run. I was able to get a whole 5 rounds off without failure once before it had another failure that required me to drop the mag and clear it.

One thing that is abundantly clear, is the factory mag is definitely an issue. In the first pic, I was able to show the malfunction and what the seated round looked like in the magazine after I dropped it. Its clearly not seated all the way back and I'm sure that some of the issues are related to these trash ass mags. I marked the factory mag, and noticed no difference between that one and the one I bought (same manufacturer, RIA branded mag)




Link Posted: 8/30/2023 9:09:00 AM EST
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out of curiosity, have you checked the chamber to see if its on the tight side?

easy and quick way is to remove the barrel and put a round in the chamber, turn it upside down and see if it comes out freely.  If not, then you should ream the chamber.

if that's fine, then I would look into a new recoil spring, yours might be a bit on the weak side for what you are shooting.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 5:21:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By seand1111:
out of curiosity, have you checked the chamber to see if its on the tight side?

easy and quick way is to remove the barrel and put a round in the chamber, turn it upside down and see if it comes out freely.  If not, then you should ream the chamber.

if that's fine, then I would look into a new recoil spring, yours might be a bit on the weak side for what you are shooting.
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Sorry I forgot to post that, yes I did the suggested test and it freely falls out.


Link Posted: 8/30/2023 7:25:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: KK66] [#21]
I will agree with Larrys1911 assessment: you have missfitted extractor. On your video, it is clearly shown that it severely clocked to the left, and from the last post it seems that the claw bended to much. Try to tune it per instructions in Larry's post. And maybe  replace with better part from Wilson or such.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 7:29:56 PM EST
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Extractor and shitty mags. Double feeds [NOT fail to extract and feed another live round from the mag] are because the mag is letting two go one right after the other.

It doesn't help you have an Officer length 1911, they can be problematic to begin with. I can truly say the only Officer length 1911 I'd carry is my Colt Defender and even that gets early mags/springs and recoil spring change outs.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 8:30:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KK66:
I will agree with Larrys1911 assessment: you have missfitted extractor. On your video, it is clearly shown that it severely clocked to the left, and from the last post it seems that the claw bended to much. Try to tune it per instructions in Larry's post. And maybe  replace with better part from Wilson or such.
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Originally Posted By KK66:
I will agree with Larrys1911 assessment: you have missfitted extractor. On your video, it is clearly shown that it severely clocked to the left, and from the last post it seems that the claw bended to much. Try to tune it per instructions in Larry's post. And maybe  replace with better part from Wilson or such.


Gotcha, I'm not opposed to getting better quality parts but I am pretty experienced with the 1911 platform as a whole. I think I'm going to send it back and let them have a crack at getting it running reliably.

The whole RMA process has really irritated me because of just how much of an inconvenience its going to be to get it returned.

By the time its all said and done I'm wondering if I'm not going to regret not just dropping the extra coin and getting a Combat Commander which is what I really wanted to begin with. The price for those has just gotten so ridiculous for what it is.





Originally Posted By fxntime:
Extractor and shitty mags. Double feeds [NOT fail to extract and feed another live round from the mag] are because the mag is letting two go one right after the other.

It doesn't help you have an Officer length 1911, they can be problematic to begin with. I can truly say the only Officer length 1911 I'd carry is my Colt Defender and even that gets early mags/springs and recoil spring change outs.


I knew they were a little but more finicky, especially being a 9mm but I waited several years in the hopes that they were able to iron out the kinks so that it would be as reliable as the 1911 I got when I was 19, but its been pretty clear that they still have a ways to go to get the platform functioning as reliably as .45's do.

The Defender does look pretty nice though.

So I guess that begs the question, if you guys were buying better parts to replace the obviously shitty quality ones that came with it, what would you get?

I'm definitely going to get the mec-gar mags because the Metalform mags that they sell for this absolutely suck. And I think I'm going to go ahead and get the Wilson extended thumb safety.

But should I bother getting some replacement recoil springs too? I know that's not the issue but while I'm already ordering stuff I could go ahead and grab some extra's or some better suited for the ammo I'm shooting? And if you think so do any of you have a preference on brand





Link Posted: 8/30/2023 8:49:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Seatbelts:


I grabbed a few pics, I can't tell if its chamfered enough personally. Let me know if I need better pics.


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It does not look like it is to me. See this link to get a better idea of what it should look like.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 8:57:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Seatbelts:  Ok to here's the latest pictures and an update from RIA's RMA ticket.

I'm now a bit pissed to be honest. My brother had convinced me that it would be nice and easy to send it back for repairs. Well they finally got back to me yesterday. I have to go find an FFL thats open super late or deal with the odd hours/take off time from work to go to the one I used to do the original transfer AND I get to pay for the transfer back to them, because they no longer allow you to just pop it in the mail/have it repaired and returned to your home. They won't even issue a return mail sticker until the dealer sends them their FFL paperwork.

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OP, that's not the fault of RIA, that's the problem w/ FedEx, UPS, & USPS - none will accept a handgun from an individual to ship.  It will be the same process for any handgun you need to return to the factory.  If you bought the gun from a dealer, I'd expect that dealer to accept it & ship it for free, given that RIA's picking up the freight.  If you transferred it through a dealer, then yes, you're going to have to pay more transfer fees.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 10:38:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:


It does not look like it is to me. See this link to get a better idea of what it should look like.
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See this is why I love this place. I now understand exactly what you mean. That thread has some great explanations in it, and gives me such a better understanding of the issues I'm having.

I went ahead and grabbed some pics of a round that I fired yesterday, and sure enough theres claw marks on the case in the same spot as shown in the link just not as deep.









Originally Posted By backbencher:


OP, that's not the fault of RIA, that's the problem w/ FedEx, UPS, & USPS - none will accept a handgun from an individual to ship.  It will be the same process for any handgun you need to return to the factory.  If you bought the gun from a dealer, I'd expect that dealer to accept it & ship it for free, given that RIA's picking up the freight.  If you transferred it through a dealer, then yes, you're going to have to pay more transfer fees.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed at the UPS and Fedex for being a bunch of cunts and making shipping it a pain in my ass. But I'm pissed at RIA for letting this leave the factory to be sold to me. I'm even more irritated that they included two spent casings as "proof" it was QC'ed because from the very first round I fired, it malfunctioned. So unless they loaded one round in the magazine at a time there's no way that it left the factory 100% functional. In addition to the issues that I am having with the extractor, and magazine the thumb safety was impossible to disengage with your thumb. I let 5 people try and not a single person could get it to disengage. You could engage it, though it was still pretty stiff. But to disengage it you had to take a razor or something and depress the detent. I was able to get it field stripped and work the detent enough to get it to disengage with your thumb, but the reason was there was a bur on the safety causing it to bind.

But what really gets me is the fact I now have to pay an additional fee twice, to get a gun that should have been reliable from day 1 to function (assuming they actually fix it). Its basically going to cost me on the low side an additional 35 bucks AND missed time at work to go and drop it off, or an additional 50 bucks to go to a dealer thats open late enough that I don't have to leave early to send it back. Not to mention the now 200+ rounds I have wasted function testing it and hoping that there was just some break in period that I needed to make it past.

And if it was some cheap pistol that I knew was too good to be true, then I guess it would be easier to swallow. But I paid close to 600 for it, and that's not too far off of some really good 1911's. If they want to charge a premium price then provide a gun that doesn't need a few hundred more in parts to be able to shoot a mag without failures. And if they can't do that then I guess they need to lower the cost by half in my opinion that way you can buy two and hope you get one functioning gun .

But here's what makes me the maddest. I fucking love the fucking pos. It feels great in my hands, and even though I'm shooting it like musket its still grouping great. I'm really just irritated because I had such a good experience with RIA in the past, and this has been a bit of a letdown.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 11:36:54 PM EST
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See this is why I love this place. I now understand exactly what you mean. That thread has some great explanations in it, and gives me such a better understanding of the issues I'm having.

I went ahead and grabbed some pics of a round that I fired yesterday, and sure enough theres claw marks on the case in the same spot as shown in the link just not as deep.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed at the UPS and Fedex for being a bunch of cunts and making shipping it a pain in my ass. But I'm pissed at RIA for letting this leave the factory to be sold to me. I'm even more irritated that they included two spent casings as "proof" it was QC'ed because from the very first round I fired, it malfunctioned. So unless they loaded one round in the magazine at a time there's no way that it left the factory 100% functional. In addition to the issues that I am having with the extractor, and magazine the thumb safety was impossible to disengage with your thumb. I let 5 people try and not a single person could get it to disengage. You could engage it, though it was still pretty stiff. But to disengage it you had to take a razor or something and depress the detent. I was able to get it field stripped and work the detent enough to get it to disengage with your thumb, but the reason was there was a bur on the safety causing it to bind.

But what really gets me is the fact I now have to pay an additional fee twice, to get a gun that should have been reliable from day 1 to function (assuming they actually fix it). Its basically going to cost me on the low side an additional 35 bucks AND missed time at work to go and drop it off, or an additional 50 bucks to go to a dealer thats open late enough that I don't have to leave early to send it back. Not to mention the now 200+ rounds I have wasted function testing it and hoping that there was just some break in period that I needed to make it past.

And if it was some cheap pistol that I knew was too good to be true, then I guess it would be easier to swallow. But I paid close to 600 for it, and that's not too far off of some really good 1911's. If they want to charge a premium price then provide a gun that doesn't need a few hundred more in parts to be able to shoot a mag without failures. And if they can't do that then I guess they need to lower the cost by half in my opinion that way you can buy two and hope you get one functioning gun .

But here's what makes me the maddest. I fucking love the fucking pos. It feels great in my hands, and even though I'm shooting it like musket its still grouping great. I'm really just irritated because I had such a good experience with RIA in the past, and this has been a bit of a letdown.
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:


It does not look like it is to me. See this link to get a better idea of what it should look like.


See this is why I love this place. I now understand exactly what you mean. That thread has some great explanations in it, and gives me such a better understanding of the issues I'm having.

I went ahead and grabbed some pics of a round that I fired yesterday, and sure enough theres claw marks on the case in the same spot as shown in the link just not as deep.

https://i.imgflip.com/7xj0gi.jpg
https://i.imgflip.com/7xj0hh.jpg
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


OP, that's not the fault of RIA, that's the problem w/ FedEx, UPS, & USPS - none will accept a handgun from an individual to ship.  It will be the same process for any handgun you need to return to the factory.  If you bought the gun from a dealer, I'd expect that dealer to accept it & ship it for free, given that RIA's picking up the freight.  If you transferred it through a dealer, then yes, you're going to have to pay more transfer fees.


Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed at the UPS and Fedex for being a bunch of cunts and making shipping it a pain in my ass. But I'm pissed at RIA for letting this leave the factory to be sold to me. I'm even more irritated that they included two spent casings as "proof" it was QC'ed because from the very first round I fired, it malfunctioned. So unless they loaded one round in the magazine at a time there's no way that it left the factory 100% functional. In addition to the issues that I am having with the extractor, and magazine the thumb safety was impossible to disengage with your thumb. I let 5 people try and not a single person could get it to disengage. You could engage it, though it was still pretty stiff. But to disengage it you had to take a razor or something and depress the detent. I was able to get it field stripped and work the detent enough to get it to disengage with your thumb, but the reason was there was a bur on the safety causing it to bind.

But what really gets me is the fact I now have to pay an additional fee twice, to get a gun that should have been reliable from day 1 to function (assuming they actually fix it). Its basically going to cost me on the low side an additional 35 bucks AND missed time at work to go and drop it off, or an additional 50 bucks to go to a dealer thats open late enough that I don't have to leave early to send it back. Not to mention the now 200+ rounds I have wasted function testing it and hoping that there was just some break in period that I needed to make it past.

And if it was some cheap pistol that I knew was too good to be true, then I guess it would be easier to swallow. But I paid close to 600 for it, and that's not too far off of some really good 1911's. If they want to charge a premium price then provide a gun that doesn't need a few hundred more in parts to be able to shoot a mag without failures. And if they can't do that then I guess they need to lower the cost by half in my opinion that way you can buy two and hope you get one functioning gun .

But here's what makes me the maddest. I fucking love the fucking pos. It feels great in my hands, and even though I'm shooting it like musket its still grouping great. I'm really just irritated because I had such a good experience with RIA in the past, and this has been a bit of a letdown.


I get cha.  I sell a lot of their .38 snubs, and I'm a bit concerned that this price war w/ Tisas & Girsan is bringing their QC down, after they spent the last decade bringing it up.  Now that Tisas has actual Parkerized 1911s shipping, I'll carry those if the distributor price is the same.
Link Posted: 8/31/2023 6:31:09 PM EST
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THat looks like there is a mag in that gun? And there is no empty in the chamber CORRECT? and that round is unfired?

As Stated thats a true Double feed.

Next, when you drop the mag does it chamber that round ? If So before you send it back order a Mec Gar mag before you send it back.
Thats a MAG issue.

Next, It looks like I see a pretty sharp edge on the leading edge of your extractor. Pick up one of your empties and see if you see ANY extractor marks other than where its being pulled out.
BTW your extractor fit is bad. Sorry.  Go through Steves guide and fit an extractor and Firing pin stop

Last - the deal breaker on sending it back for ME.

The breachface OPPOSITE of the ejector looks like there is a burr right where the ctg slides up (looking at the third pic from the top) I wish I could post picks I would circle it but I dont have a Pic account anymore.  Looks to be directly accross from the bottom edge of the extractor.  if thats not a photo thing I would send it back with a note thats what looks to be the problem. (other than the mag)

Dont lose faith in fixing it, and dont think that because you buy a "BRAND" youll get away from this, Do a search on Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Customs and Semi Customs.  I do think it sucks YOU have to pay for it to ship thats BS.  Custom 1911 Gunsmiths made their names on making 1911s "RELIABLE" before they started making 1911s  

Fix your mag problem FIRST then lets see what happens.

Link Posted: 10/1/2023 10:21:08 PM EST
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@Seatbelts

Just wondering if you had any updates on this?

I still think you're going to be really happy with it when all is said and done & it's running reliably.
Link Posted: 10/1/2023 11:22:52 PM EST
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@Seatbelts

Just wondering if you had any updates on this?

I still think you're going to be really happy with it when all is said and done & it's running reliably.
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I thought about updating it, but I have honestly been so pissed with the whole situation I figured I would wait until there was some positive resolution.

But the reality is it's now October and I still have a broken gun, and am still waiting for RIA to send the fucking return mailing info to the FFL.

After going back and forth with them, I was finally able to get them to agree to the return, and I took time out of my day to go to my FFL and have him send his paperwork copy. After waiting about 3-4 days with no updates I finally get an email telling me they are going to close the complaint because they didn't get the info. So I explain I watched him send the email while I was there, and then they say no problem we'll reach out directly. Another week goes by and they said they couldn't reach him, and were going to close the complaint again. I say fuck it, I'll go by again and this time I write down every single bit of info for my FFL to include in his email and now its been over a week and they went ghost. I emailed to find out if they got it and they just never responded.

I'm bewildered at what to do at this point, and beyond irritated. I'm at the point now of giving up, and ordering the parts and paying someone to install them locally or something. Its been a joke.

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Link Posted: 10/2/2023 12:16:32 AM EST
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That's weird.  RIA's been very responsive to me as a dealer on the two issues I've had.
Link Posted: 10/2/2023 1:11:18 AM EST
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I thought about updating it, but I have honestly been so pissed with the whole situation I figured I would wait until there was some positive resolution.

But the reality is it's now October and I still have a broken gun, and am still waiting for RIA to send the fucking return mailing info to the FFL.

After going back and forth with them, I was finally able to get them to agree to the return, and I took time out of my day to go to my FFL and have him send his paperwork copy. After waiting about 3-4 days with no updates I finally get an email telling me they are going to close the complaint because they didn't get the info. So I explain I watched him send the email while I was there, and then they say no problem we'll reach out directly. Another week goes by and they said they couldn't reach him, and were going to close the complaint again. I say fuck it, I'll go by again and this time I write down every single bit of info for my FFL to include in his email and now its been over a week and they went ghost. I emailed to find out if they got it and they just never responded.

I'm bewildered at what to do at this point, and beyond irritated. I'm at the point now of giving up, and ordering the parts and paying someone to install them locally or something. Its been a joke.

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Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this about Rock Island / Armscor customer service. They have always had a good reputation. My experience with them (along with that of my Uncle) was excellent, but I must admit, that was many years ago now and they are a much larger company now than they were back then. Back then, roughly 10-15 years ago, their main US gunsmith (Arnel) as well as the company owner himself (Martin Tuason) were both active on 1911 forums and would interact directly with customers.

I did do a little internet digging and found this list of email addresses (current as of 2018). You might try emailing some of them directly to try and get some traction.

Carlos M. Tuason (Caloy), Vice President of US Sales
Email: [email protected]

Phillip Barnes, Manager of Customer Service
Email: [email protected]

Shawn Fairbairn, Manager of Gunsmithing
Email: [email protected]

Lisa Tuason, VP of Marketing
Email: [email protected]

John P DeBeasso Jr., Dealer Stocking and Range Program, & Sales Associate
Email: [email protected]

John McClain, Regional Sales Manager and National Training Manager
Email: [email protected]

If it was me I would start by sending an email to Philip first, the manager of customer service. Also, even though it wasn't listed, I bet [email protected] is the correct address for the company owner/president Martin Tuason. Might try sending one to him too. Doesn't hurt to try!  
Link Posted: 10/2/2023 4:33:54 PM EST
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Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this about Rock Island / Armscor customer service. They have always had a good reputation. My experience with them (along with that of my Uncle) was excellent, but I must admit, that was many years ago now and they are a much larger company now than they were back then. Back then, roughly 10-15 years ago, their main US gunsmith (Arnel) as well as the company owner himself (Martin Tuason) were both active on 1911 forums and would interact directly with customers.

I did do a little internet digging and found this list of email addresses (current as of 2018). You might try emailing some of them directly to try and get some traction.

Carlos M. Tuason (Caloy), Vice President of US Sales
Email: [email protected]

Phillip Barnes, Manager of Customer Service
Email: [email protected]

Shawn Fairbairn, Manager of Gunsmithing
Email: [email protected]

Lisa Tuason, VP of Marketing
Email: [email protected]

John P DeBeasso Jr., Dealer Stocking and Range Program, & Sales Associate
Email: [email protected]

John McClain, Regional Sales Manager and National Training Manager
Email: [email protected]

If it was me I would start by sending an email to Philip first, the manager of customer service. Also, even though it wasn't listed, I bet [email protected] is the correct address for the company owner/president Martin Tuason. Might try sending one to him too. Doesn't hurt to try!  
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Thanks so much for doing the leg work there, ironically they emailed me back finally this afternoon before I had a chance to contact anyone to let me know they didnt get his email..

I watched him write it, and he used the info I personally copied from their email. So I gave them all the contact info that I have for him and am going to let them do some leg work now. I can't keep taking time off work to go by and waste his time too.

I'm wondering if they are getting spam filtered or something
Link Posted: 10/2/2023 6:11:15 PM EST
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Thanks so much for doing the leg work there, ironically they emailed me back finally this afternoon before I had a chance to contact anyone to let me know they didnt get his email..

I watched him write it, and he used the info I personally copied from their email. So I gave them all the contact info that I have for him and am going to let them do some leg work now. I can't keep taking time off work to go by and waste his time too.

I'm wondering if they are getting spam filtered or something
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Originally Posted By pctech:


Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this about Rock Island / Armscor customer service. They have always had a good reputation. My experience with them (along with that of my Uncle) was excellent, but I must admit, that was many years ago now and they are a much larger company now than they were back then. Back then, roughly 10-15 years ago, their main US gunsmith (Arnel) as well as the company owner himself (Martin Tuason) were both active on 1911 forums and would interact directly with customers.

I did do a little internet digging and found this list of email addresses (current as of 2018). You might try emailing some of them directly to try and get some traction.

Carlos M. Tuason (Caloy), Vice President of US Sales
Email: [email protected]

Phillip Barnes, Manager of Customer Service
Email: [email protected]

Shawn Fairbairn, Manager of Gunsmithing
Email: [email protected]

Lisa Tuason, VP of Marketing
Email: [email protected]

John P DeBeasso Jr., Dealer Stocking and Range Program, & Sales Associate
Email: [email protected]

John McClain, Regional Sales Manager and National Training Manager
Email: [email protected]

If it was me I would start by sending an email to Philip first, the manager of customer service. Also, even though it wasn't listed, I bet [email protected] is the correct address for the company owner/president Martin Tuason. Might try sending one to him too. Doesn't hurt to try!  


Thanks so much for doing the leg work there, ironically they emailed me back finally this afternoon before I had a chance to contact anyone to let me know they didnt get his email..

I watched him write it, and he used the info I personally copied from their email. So I gave them all the contact info that I have for him and am going to let them do some leg work now. I can't keep taking time off work to go by and waste his time too.

I'm wondering if they are getting spam filtered or something


You're welcome. At this point I do kind of feel like I'm invested in seeing this through to its conclusion since I pointed you to the site where you bought the gun.

It does sound like there may be a break down in communication somewhere, perhaps a spam filter like you mentioned.

Maybe your FFL could fax the necessary info to Rock Island instead of emailing it? RIA Fax: (775) 751-4425.   // Just a possible idea.

Also, if you can't make progress with Rock Island fairly soon, you might call around and see what a local gunsmith would charge to fit a new extractor for you (with you providing the part yourself).

I really do hope you get this pistol sorted out.
Link Posted: 10/3/2023 7:22:22 PM EST
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What part of VA are you in, I have a spare 9mm extractor or two. If close enough you could swing by and we could try one. I live near zip 21158.
Link Posted: 10/4/2023 8:07:35 AM EST
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One thing to remember about RIA 1911 9mm pistols. The same slide is used for their 38 Super pistols. I had issues of occasional failures to extract or it would extract enough out of the chamber but then fail to eject.

The issue was that the extractor was tuned for 38 Super which has a bigger rim diameter than 9mm. Once I tuned the extractor for 9mm, my issues went away. I have since bought a 38 Super barrel and stick with either Starline 9mm Largo brass or Starline 38 Super Comp brass since the rims are closer to 9mm in size.

RIA use the same recoil spring for 9mm and 38 Super (at least in full size 1911's). All of the OEM magazines for 9mm and 38 Super are either MecGar or Metalform and I haven't had any issues with them.

When it comes to ammo I have found that Winchester White Box usually has slightly smaller rim diameters compared to other brands. Combine that with an extractor that is tuned for 38 Super can and will cause problems.
Link Posted: 10/4/2023 11:18:45 AM EST
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Do you have mechanical skills?

If you can answer that as "YES" you can tune an extractor.  you can also replace and tune an extractor. Hell buy one off EBAY for cheap and learn on it then do the replacement.  

Have you tried a different brand of mag yet? (I do believe you have two seperate problems )

Frankly as much as you have gone through already I would have gotten bored and pulled out some files and sandpaper.

But if you can be honest and say yes just buy an extractor from EGW, Follow Steves guide. the worst that happens is you spend 50$ and cant fix it yourself, pull the extractor back out reinstall the original one and work on sending it back.
Link Posted: 10/5/2023 1:43:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pctech:


You're welcome. At this point I do kind of feel like I'm invested in seeing this through to its conclusion since I pointed you to the site where you bought the gun.

It does sound like there may be a break down in communication somewhere, perhaps a spam filter like you mentioned.

Maybe your FFL could fax the necessary info to Rock Island instead of emailing it? RIA Fax: (775) 751-4425.   // Just a possible idea.

Also, if you can't make progress with Rock Island fairly soon, you might call around and see what a local gunsmith would charge to fit a new extractor for you (with you providing the part yourself).

I really do hope you get this pistol sorted out.
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I am kind of taking a wait and see approach for a week, I gave them all the info so I'm hoping that they reach out to him themselves. I absolutely love the gun, so at this point its just a matter of getting it running like it should. I was hoping that was something they were going to be able to do, but If it keeps dragging on I may just find a gunsmith and pay them to fix it and take it as a lesson learned.

I also may break down and go to a different FFL I guess but again its just been hard with my work schedule to find time to keep going over and explain what I need.

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What part of VA are you in, I have a spare 9mm extractor or two. If close enough you could swing by and we could try one. I live near zip 21158.
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I'm in the far southern/central part of the state about 7 hours away

Thanks for offering though!



Originally Posted By chumpmiester:
One thing to remember about RIA 1911 9mm pistols. The same slide is used for their 38 Super pistols. I had issues of occasional failures to extract or it would extract enough out of the chamber but then fail to eject.

The issue was that the extractor was tuned for 38 Super which has a bigger rim diameter than 9mm. Once I tuned the extractor for 9mm, my issues went away. I have since bought a 38 Super barrel and stick with either Starline 9mm Largo brass or Starline 38 Super Comp brass since the rims are closer to 9mm in size.

RIA use the same recoil spring for 9mm and 38 Super (at least in full size 1911's). All of the OEM magazines for 9mm and 38 Super are either MecGar or Metalform and I haven't had any issues with them.

When it comes to ammo I have found that Winchester White Box usually has slightly smaller rim diameters compared to other brands. Combine that with an extractor that is tuned for 38 Super can and will cause problems.
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That would explain a lot actually. I wanted to give them a shot at fixing it but since this has been dragging on if they don't make some progress in the next week I'm going to find a gunsmith who can tune it, and just order the parts.

I was actually about to order a bunch of parts including the new mags last week when the control arm on my car snapped like a little bitch so I have been waiting to see what the damage from the tow and repair is before I blow a bunch of money on parts for this.

As some of you suggested I also may just order some parts and try to do it myself, but I was hesitant to do that because I didn't want to void my warranty.
Link Posted: 10/5/2023 1:46:52 AM EST
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Do you have mechanical skills?

If you can answer that as "YES" you can tune an extractor.  you can also replace and tune an extractor. Hell buy one off EBAY for cheap and learn on it then do the replacement.  

Have you tried a different brand of mag yet? (I do believe you have two seperate problems )

Frankly as much as you have gone through already I would have gotten bored and pulled out some files and sandpaper.

But if you can be honest and say yes just buy an extractor from EGW, Follow Steves guide. the worst that happens is you spend 50$ and cant fix it yourself, pull the extractor back out reinstall the original one and work on sending it back.
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I think you are correct about it being two separate issues, I hopefully will be able to order the mags in the coming week assuming my car repair isn't over a grand.

But I'm not sure I am confident enough in my skills to tune it but I may have to do some research and watch some videos. I have just been really hoping I could get them to fix it as it should never have left the factory like that
Link Posted: 10/5/2023 9:44:35 AM EST
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Under the assumption that all pictures taken of the slide are directly after use and no cleaning happened I notice, this thing is dry like an old woman. I'm sorry, but 1911 are not designed to run dry at all. New manufacturing tolerances, better materials, yadayadayada, put some grease, mixed with oil on these rails and the barrel tip where the bushing contacts it, and a small dab on the disconnector and run this thing...
Link Posted: 10/27/2023 3:09:35 AM EST
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Under the assumption that all pictures taken of the slide are directly after use and no cleaning happened I notice, this thing is dry like an old woman. I'm sorry, but 1911 are not designed to run dry at all. New manufacturing tolerances, better materials, yadayadayada, put some grease, mixed with oil on these rails and the barrel tip where the bushing contacts it, and a small dab on the disconnector and run this thing...
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It may look like that, but it came soaked from the factory in oil and I actually added some Lucas Extreme Duty to the internals before I shot it because I knew there was a supposed break in period.

I did get the MecGar mags in, bought 4 nickle ones and went shooting Friday. It didn't make any difference, the same malfunctions occurred.

But on a good note I don't know exactly what changed, or if they finally found the emails or what but I got an email with the RMA PDF's so I just have to get those printed and I guess go drop it off?

So hopefully I'll be able to get the label printed this weekend and drop it off at the ffl sometime next week
Link Posted: 12/2/2023 9:57:32 AM EST
[#42]
Well guys I got a nice surprise this morning, the FFL texted me my gun was back and ready to get picked up!

Which worked out great because I had already planned to go to the range so my wife and get a bit of time shooting her Christmas present (Xmacro) so I'll be able to put some rounds through it this time

Now I just pray that its fixed and not in need a anything else. (besides what I want to upgrade myself)
Link Posted: 12/2/2023 11:50:54 PM EST
[#43]
And now for the range report.

First round was a malfunction I put one mag through it and the same slide not returning to battery happened with every round. So exactly the same problems as before and of course the RMA tag from the armorer who "looked at it" was blank.

I have absolutely no clue if they even did a single thing.

I'll be honest I'm so pissed at RIA that I can't even stand to look at it right now. They never even emailed me they received it, and wrote nothing on the card. Just absolute piss poor customer service.


Link Posted: 12/3/2023 12:40:30 AM EST
[#44]
If it was that sh$& as$ Winchester ‘White Box’ cr@? then that’s probably the issue.  Run 300 rounds of even some mid-grade 124gr grain through it to break it in, and stay away from the white box tripe.
Link Posted: 12/3/2023 11:19:25 AM EST
[#45]
I would love to look at it, just so I can see what it is doing.
Link Posted: 12/3/2023 3:33:46 PM EST
[#46]
Originally Posted By vicrattlehead:
If it was that sh$& as$ Winchester ‘White Box’ cr@? then that’s probably the issue.  Run 300 rounds of even some mid-grade 124gr grain through it to break it in, and stay away from the white box tripe.
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Not used any Winchester since the single box I bought when this started. I have tried Norma 124gr, AAC 124gr and a mix of a few others.

The issue isn't with the mag or the ammo.



Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:
I would love to look at it, just so I can see what it is doing.
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I wish you could. I may rage throw it in Marylands general direction so keep posted

But in all reality I'm somewhat stuck now.

I have a gun I love the look and size of, I can shoot it very well but no matter what I do it's basically a single shot gun. So ever being able to carry it has become a fantasy. I don't trust it at all.

As of now I refuse to sell it at a loss to some dealer whose just going to pass that lemon on some other poor sucker.

And it's clear that RIA isn't going to fix or replace shit.

So now I'm basically stuck with this 650 buck paperweight until I can figure out how to fix it
Link Posted: 12/3/2023 7:44:23 PM EST
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I wish you could. I may rage throw it in Marylands general direction so keep posted

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Or sell it to me real cheap...lol

@seatbelts did you get anywhere with this...
Link Posted: 12/3/2023 10:58:53 PM EST
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Edit: I misread your earlier posts, the pictures are of malfunctions
Sorry you're having so many troubles with this thing

It doesn't look like you've tried swapping out the recoil spring yet, think that is worth trying
Factory spring is 16lb on the RIA cs/officer models

A stronger string might help with cycling during breakin along w/ hotter 124gr NATO ammo, but could mask a deeper issue too
Wolff has varying weights for Colt officer models, EGW makes flatwire springs but they require a different guiderod

Link Posted: 12/3/2023 11:30:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Seatbelts:


Not used any Winchester since the single box I bought when this started. I have tried Norma 124gr, AAC 124gr and a mix of a few others.

The issue isn't with the mag or the ammo.





I wish you could. I may rage throw it in Marylands general direction so keep posted

But in all reality I'm somewhat stuck now.

I have a gun I love the look and size of, I can shoot it very well but no matter what I do it's basically a single shot gun. So ever being able to carry it has become a fantasy. I don't trust it at all.

As of now I refuse to sell it at a loss to some dealer whose just going to pass that lemon on some other poor sucker.

And it's clear that RIA isn't going to fix or replace shit.

So now I'm basically stuck with this 650 buck paperweight until I can figure out how to fix it
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Originally Posted By Seatbelts:
Originally Posted By vicrattlehead:
If it was that sh$& as$ Winchester ‘White Box’ cr@? then that’s probably the issue.  Run 300 rounds of even some mid-grade 124gr grain through it to break it in, and stay away from the white box tripe.


Not used any Winchester since the single box I bought when this started. I have tried Norma 124gr, AAC 124gr and a mix of a few others.

The issue isn't with the mag or the ammo.



Originally Posted By StaccatoC2:
I would love to look at it, just so I can see what it is doing.


I wish you could. I may rage throw it in Marylands general direction so keep posted

But in all reality I'm somewhat stuck now.

I have a gun I love the look and size of, I can shoot it very well but no matter what I do it's basically a single shot gun. So ever being able to carry it has become a fantasy. I don't trust it at all.

As of now I refuse to sell it at a loss to some dealer whose just going to pass that lemon on some other poor sucker.

And it's clear that RIA isn't going to fix or replace shit.

So now I'm basically stuck with this 650 buck paperweight until I can figure out how to fix it


Don't hate on Rock Island too much, Glock has had my Gen 5 26 since January.
Link Posted: 12/5/2023 10:18:25 PM EST
[#50]
I kinda feel like a broken record.

TUNE YOUR EXTRACTOR, Id never trust it now so order another one from somewhere (EGW is my choice as I said because you can also buy an over sized firing pin stop and fit it to keep the extractor from clocking. AND you can buy a flat bottom. )

If you do NOTHING else just add some tension to it.

post when youve done that.

(just as a FYI, I have 4 45 extractors, 2 9mm/38 super extractors, and 6 Flat bottom firing pin stops in my spare parts bin all new. They are there because when I buy a new one its the first thing I look at and if its not tunable its replaced.  Having so many on hand should tell you how often I think they are "tunable" )

Calm down, Fix the extractor, youll be fine.

Good Luck,
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