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Posted: 1/17/2012 11:38:33 PM EDT
Full size Kimber 1911, Crossbreed Supertuck. I've gotten to the point that its comfortable to wear, the holster is definitely breaking in. I bought a Wilderness belt and that helped a SHITLOAD, but the butt prints HARD. If I bend at all it's obvious something in on my hip. Otherwise it's fine. I wear it at about my 4 o clock. Do I need to adjust the cant? If so, what direction, and how would I make the proper adjustments on the holster? Or am I better off moving it around to my 4 or 5 o clock? 4 is comfortable but it makes accessing my wallet a bitch...
Link Posted: 1/17/2012 11:47:28 PM EDT
[#1]
You can try moving it around but some printing is going to happen. Bending over is alway going to make the grip stand out. You gotta learn to move to hide the gun. I stopped bending over and started squatting instead.

ETA: For the wallet I moved mine to the other side.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 12:05:41 AM EDT
[#2]
i dont see a way to hide that either but i always see pics in the EDC thread of guys bending over without printing and i dont get it... i plan to start carrying my P30 when my alessi cqcs gets here in a couple months, should that improve printing? according to them its designed to be worn wear i wear it now

and were not talking a little bit of a print, you can really tell im carrying, then my shirt tucks behind it and i have to adjust my shirt all the time. normally doesnt bother me much but i was on the right side of town that had all the gun shops the other day and every time i looked lower in the cases and adjusted i felt like i stuck out like a sore thumb and it bothered me
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 12:13:25 AM EDT
[#3]
Either don't worry about it, buy a smaller gun or a 1911 with a bobbed grip.

This is why smaller guns were developed.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 1:10:58 AM EDT
[#4]
I use the Galco King Tuk which is very similar to the Crossbreed for my full size 1911. Printing is hard to get away from but mine doesn't really print unless I am almost totally bent over piking up something, after a while you just start to go down on one knee instead of bending over. I wear mine around the same spot 4 to 4:30 if I am wearing IWB.

You could lower the rear clip a notch or two which would cant the pistol forward a little, that might help.

I also wear an undershirt and a button up short or longsleeved shirt over that so that may be why printing isn't really an issue for me, then again, I don't care if I print 99% of the time here.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 1:31:16 AM EDT
[#5]
I'm a lefty and carry at 8-8:30... I usually tuck my shirt in and this helps with concealment because I wear a hoodie over it and I don't want my t-shirt to ride up and expose my pistol... my fiancee mentioned to me the other day that I looked like a goof and she hates my hoodies. I told her get bent, I was wearing what I liked.

Anyway, I pulled a long sleeved shirt out of the closet and wore that over my tucked in t-shirt. The long sleeved shirt was untucked and unbuttoned. It looked fine.

Honestly, I'm not too worried about printing. If someone sees something at my waist, it could be a cell phone, or an iPod or something besides a gun.

I mention all this because I'm breaking in a VBOB... and I plan on carrying it in the winter time... or my P220... or my 1911 Govt model Taurus if I can ever trust that POS.

The holster is the first step.
The belt is the second step.
The 3rd step is being comfortable while carrying... you mentioned you're always pulling at your shirt. That can draw attention to your pistol unnecessarily... if another shirt doesn't work for you, try moving the holster to the 5 o'clock position... it'll give the butt more space to tuck itself in closer to you.

Link Posted: 1/18/2012 1:38:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Canting the gun forward will help with the grip printing, but it won't eliminate it. Certainly not with a full-sized gun (this is all depending on the size of you, of course).

HK P30 in a CQC-S will be a great carry package. I EDC a G27 or G23 in a CQC-S. Very comfortable and the CQC-S does a great job of concealing. BUT...it is still an OWB holster. An OWB holster will never be as close to the body and within the contour of your pant-line as IWB because it is outside your pants (of course, though the CQC-S comes closer to this than any other OWB I've tried). So, the P30/CQC-S will not necessarily solve your problem, though you may really like it. The P30 IWB may be better than the 1911 IWB, may not. You'd have to try that out for you.

Getting comfortable with the idea that virtually no one around you is paying any attention to whether you're printing, or carrying a gun, will help too. I bet no one is seeing the print of your 1911's grip.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 1:53:46 AM EDT
[#7]
printing doesnt really bother me. i dont particularly care if i get made and the sheep arent looking for a weapon anyways. in my state you dont even need a permit to CCW anymore but i still have one. but id just assume conceal it. i dont pay attention to the signs that prohibit it, unless its in a federal or no bullshit facility, and im trying to avoid paul blart more than anything
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 2:18:30 AM EDT
[#8]
With a full size pistol and your carrying at that position it will be tough not to print when bending over. Try moving your holster closer to 3:00 if you can. Also adjust the cant to help with this. Dropping to one knee vs. bending over works as well and just takes some time to train yourself to automatically do that. The final thing is nobody is staring at your waistline to see if your carrying at least for 99% of the crowd, the remainder are those of us that carry and are looking at others the same way. The feeling of everyone is watching me will go away after awhile.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 4:58:53 AM EDT
[#9]
Don't bend over, and adjust the holster so it is canted forwards.  If it's right-handed that means moving the forward belt clip up and/or the rear clip down.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 6:37:44 AM EDT
[#10]
It will print worse the more  you move it back upon bending.
From MY experience 4-5:00 keeps the gun from bulging at your hip (if you have that problem, I dont) and hides it better when your walking about.
Upon bending however, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Adjust your cant forward (move the clip UP in the front/down in the rear) and wear darker shirts or shirts with a pattern to break up the print.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 6:58:51 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Full size Kimber 1911, Crossbreed Supertuck. I've gotten to the point that its comfortable to wear, the holster is definitely breaking in. I bought a Wilderness belt and that helped a SHITLOAD, but the butt prints HARD. If I bend at all it's obvious something in on my hip. Otherwise it's fine. I wear it at about my 4 o clock. Do I need to adjust the cant? If so, what direction, and how would I make the proper adjustments on the holster? Or am I better off moving it around to my 4 or 5 o clock? 4 is comfortable but it makes accessing my wallet a bitch...




Can you wear it at your 3 0'clock?

It'll make it easier.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 8:09:24 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Full size Kimber 1911, Crossbreed Supertuck. I've gotten to the point that its comfortable to wear, the holster is definitely breaking in. I bought a Wilderness belt and that helped a SHITLOAD, but the butt prints HARD. If I bend at all it's obvious something in on my hip. Otherwise it's fine. I wear it at about my 4 o clock. Do I need to adjust the cant? If so, what direction, and how would I make the proper adjustments on the holster? Or am I better off moving it around to my 4 or 5 o clock? 4 is comfortable but it makes accessing my wallet a bitch...




Can you wear it at your 3 0'clock?

It'll make it easier.


Yes, yes it does. I wear a 4" XD at 3:30, canted heavily forward, and the only printing happens when I'm bent far forward at the waist. This is a picture of the cant on mine

Link Posted: 1/18/2012 8:34:17 AM EDT
[#13]
ive tried it at my 3, it sticks out like a sore thumb. 4 o clock seems to be my sweet spot except for when i bend over but i guess theres not much that can be done about that
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 9:09:30 AM EDT
[#14]
That's odd... A good holster and belt like you have should hold it real tight against your body.

You one dem skinny boys that needs some taters in yer diet?
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 9:59:24 AM EDT
[#15]
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That's odd... A good holster and belt like you have should hold it real tight against your body.

You one dem skinny boys that needs some taters in yer diet?


It doesn't matter how good the holster and belt are, any gun is going to print when bending over at the waist if worn past 3:00.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 10:01:32 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
That's odd... A good holster and belt like you have should hold it real tight against your body.

You one dem skinny boys that needs some taters in yer diet?


oh no lol. i need to get my lazy ass back in the gym, the beer has had its toll on the waistline...
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 10:04:39 AM EDT
[#17]
I had the same problem.


Moved my G21 to the 3:00 position and canted it to 1 position from being all the way forward.  Now it only prints if i bend at the hip all the way forward.  

I just don't do that.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 10:09:26 AM EDT
[#18]
Height, weight,  sign?
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 12:09:11 PM EDT
[#19]
Decide that you just don't care.  

Bend over, stretch, do jumping jacks.  If it prints, so what?  It's not illegal, and nobody really cares.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 12:51:07 PM EDT
[#20]
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Height, weight,  sign?


Skip it...just post pics at the three and four....That'll help them help you.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 3:34:24 PM EDT
[#21]
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Height, weight,  sign?


Skip it...just post pics at the three and four....That'll help them help you.


Yes, yes it will. As was posted above, you should be concealing pretty well at 3:00 - 3:30, and only printing when bending far forward, as long as you have good cant. I wear mine at 3:30, and standing, sitting, etc, I don't print. Just bending far over.
Link Posted: 1/18/2012 4:22:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
With a full size pistol and your carrying at that position it will be tough not to print when bending over. Try moving your holster closer to 3:00 if you can. Also adjust the cant to help with this. Dropping to one knee vs. bending over works as well and just takes some time to train yourself to automatically do that. The final thing is nobody is staring at your waistline to see if your carrying at least for 99% of the crowd, the remainder are those of us that carry and are looking at others the same way. The feeling of everyone is watching me will go away after awhile.


^ This...  I carry a FS 1911 on occasion.  A Colt Commander as well.  (The grip is still full size.)  Work toward 3:30 and change the cant a little.  It took me a bit, but the 1911 prints less than any pistol I have.
Link Posted: 1/19/2012 8:49:51 AM EDT
[#23]
One word about extreme canting at 3:00- for me at least, it tends to print the back of the slide. Moreso an issue with more fitted T-shirts. Deffinately not enough for the average person in public to take any notice but it might spark the curiosity of people you tend to be around alot (like co-workers, especially of the female persuasion). For me its fairly noticable from the front because you have this weird "boner" sticking out off of your hip.

Currently carrying a compact pistol I prefer no cant or just a hint of forward cant. Once I start carrying my FS 1911 I may change my thinking.
Link Posted: 1/19/2012 3:06:41 PM EDT
[#24]
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One word about extreme canting at 3:00- for me at least, it tends to print the back of the slide. Moreso an issue with more fitted T-shirts. Deffinately not enough for the average person in public to take any notice but it might spark the curiosity of people you tend to be around alot (like co-workers, especially of the female persuasion). For me its fairly noticable from the front because you have this weird "boner" sticking out off of your hip.


Definitely had this problem with FBI cant holsters.
Link Posted: 1/19/2012 4:40:24 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm a pretty thin framed guy and I dress to my size. I found that the only way I can carry a full size 1911 without printing like crazy, or wearing multiple jackets, is to appendix carry.
Link Posted: 1/19/2012 5:41:14 PM EDT
[#26]
If only there were alternatives for truely concealing a double stack duty caliber gun than an IWB....

Link Posted: 1/19/2012 7:39:28 PM EDT
[#27]
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If only there were alternatives for truely concealing a double stack duty caliber gun than an IWB....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_6-WPg3rc


That is really interesting. I wish he would show in slow motion how he is actually presenting the gun. He is do fast. Hopefully there is another video that shows how the holster holds the gun and retains it while being worn.
Link Posted: 1/20/2012 3:59:27 AM EDT
[#28]
I've had great results with eliminating printing by moving to appendix carry.  It's not for everyone but it has many advantages and one of those is definitely reduction in printing.
Link Posted: 1/20/2012 7:20:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
I've had great results with eliminating printing by moving to appendix carry.  It's not for everyone but it has many advantages and one of those is definitely reduction in printing.


I can testify to this too.
Link Posted: 1/20/2012 12:36:28 PM EDT
[#30]
OP got his account locked for a comment in another thread, may want to move on
Link Posted: 1/20/2012 1:59:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
OP got his account locked for a comment in another thread, may want to move on


Ah, he picked a great screen-name then!
Link Posted: 2/4/2012 4:41:19 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm new to the game, but why hasn't anyone mention the 2:30 position?
Link Posted: 2/4/2012 11:02:16 AM EDT
[#33]
If your gun prints when you bend over, the solution is to stop bending over at the waist.

Bend at the knees instead.
Link Posted: 2/4/2012 3:52:12 PM EDT
[#34]
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I've had great results with eliminating printing by moving to appendix carry.  It's not for everyone but it has many advantages and one of those is definitely reduction in printing.


I can testify to this too.


How do you guys drive or sit down at all? I am debating on getting a VGII once they are released but I just cant see how you can sit with a gun at 0030
Link Posted: 2/4/2012 4:18:43 PM EDT
[#35]



Quoted:



Quoted:

If only there were alternatives for truely concealing a double stack duty caliber gun than an IWB....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_6-WPg3rc




That is really interesting. I wish he would show in slow motion how he is actually presenting the gun. He is do fast. Hopefully there is another video that shows how the holster holds the gun and retains it while being worn.


He taps up the barrel threw his pants which presents the grip to draw... Very fast....but he makes everything look liquid fast.

 



I want more info on this holster...seems like theirs little mechanical retention for the pistol...pics make it seems the pistol just catches a "T" bar at the trigger guard to hold the gun.  Need more info...but thanks for the link Flatulence

Link Posted: 2/4/2012 6:04:52 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
If only there were alternatives for truely concealing a double stack duty caliber gun than an IWB....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_6-WPg3rc


That is really interesting. I wish he would show in slow motion how he is actually presenting the gun. He is do fast. Hopefully there is another video that shows how the holster holds the gun and retains it while being worn.

He taps up the barrel threw his pants which presents the grip to draw... Very fast....but he makes everything look liquid fast.  

I want more info on this holster...seems like theirs little mechanical retention for the pistol...pics make it seems the pistol just catches a "T" bar at the trigger guard to hold the gun.  Need more info...but thanks for the link Flatulence


'Tapping' the barrel of a loaded pistol in order to get it out of a holster...kinda gives me the creeps.

Link Posted: 2/5/2012 2:39:33 AM EDT
[#37]
for myself, i got real used to carrying my glock on a clip draw at 11, which was fine until i had to sit in a car or crouch down and drive the barrel into my leg, but i feel like i can grab much faster from the front than the back, so i'm pretty seriously contemplating one of these things. i've spent more money on dumber stuff. if you click http://jjracaza.com/products/ it shows the pic described above showing how it sits in there. if i pick one up, i'll report back in.

a couple of you mentioned above that you do tuck a collared shirt in with the ITWB holster? i also have a kingtuk i where about 4:30 for the xd, but have not yet tried tucking in around it. you're comfortable with that? do you just use the left hand to pull the shirt up and the right hand to draw or how do you do that?
Link Posted: 2/5/2012 9:57:40 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
If only there were alternatives for truely concealing a double stack duty caliber gun than an IWB....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7_6-WPg3rc


That is really interesting. I wish he would show in slow motion how he is actually presenting the gun. He is do fast. Hopefully there is another video that shows how the holster holds the gun and retains it while being worn.

He taps up the barrel threw his pants which presents the grip to draw... Very fast....but he makes everything look liquid fast.  

I want more info on this holster...seems like theirs little mechanical retention for the pistol...pics make it seems the pistol just catches a "T" bar at the trigger guard to hold the gun.  Need more info...but thanks for the link Flatulence


I bought one of these .5-0 holsters..... and returned it a few days later for a few reasons.

First, you should know that I use a modified smartcarry.com holster for my M&P 9c, and I use it a lot.  I also have a CompTac Spartan Slide which, these days, I use only a little bit more often.  With these two holsters, I am always (99%) armed with a duty caliber double stack.  For the one percent of the time I need to wear pants form-fitting enough that the M&P will bulge out, I throw the J-fame in the same holster.
FWIW - There is NO WAY I would risk using an IWB at the workplace, but I will with the smartcarry or its equivalent.
No metal detectors?  Sweet !!!  No one's gonna know.  Period.
You can't say that about an IWB and as proof of that... everyone I talk to who only have an IWB and a pocket carry set up, choose to leave their gun in the vehicle or at home rather than risk their job.
And I have IWB and pocket options available too, so I know first hand that those don't offer absolute descretion as some would have you believe.

I took the time and effort to get used to carrying at 12:00 with the smartcarry.  I need a holster that makes my gun SAFELY disapear and this is it.  It does a great job of protecting the trigger in the same way a cordura IWB/OWB holster will.

The .5-0 DOES NOT protect the trigger AT ALL.
I didn't turn it away JUST because of that however because I also have one of those Kydex Trigger 'cover' made by Raven.
I simply installed the trigger cover and looped the lanyard around the holster so that the cover was pulled off after the draw was complete.

Since I felt safe carrying, I tried wearing it all day while doing the normal things I do wearing my smartcarry holster.
Including bending over without worrying about printing.  Wrestling with the kids and dog.  Driving.  Climbing ladders.  Playing Golf.  Riding Bikes.  Getting in and out of chairs.  Going to parties without the worry of someone touching the gun.  Conducting my professional affairs while wearing tucked in shirts.

Sheesh !!!!! Was that thing uncomfortable!  No where near as comfortable as my modified smartcarry and the gun kept falling out of position.  Sure, it was in position while sitting straight down like he shows in the video, but the moment I moved around in the chair or behind the wheel of the truck... pop.  It's out of the slot.  It also works great while casually walking around, but again.  It popps out while doing anything else.
I have NONE of those issues with the smartcarry.

I've almost worn out my third smartcarry and I'll be getting the threespeedholster to try out next. The threespeed already has the tapered 'pie' shape and an extra bit of material extending higher than the gun to help get my thumb around the grip.
Link Posted: 2/5/2012 12:46:24 PM EDT
[#39]
...and maybe i'll save my money...
Link Posted: 2/5/2012 2:21:38 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Full size Kimber 1911, Crossbreed Supertuck. I've gotten to the point that its comfortable to wear, the holster is definitely breaking in. I bought a Wilderness belt and that helped a SHITLOAD, but the butt prints HARD. If I bend at all it's obvious something in on my hip. Otherwise it's fine. I wear it at about my 4 o clock. Do I need to adjust the cant? If so, what direction, and how would I make the proper adjustments on the holster? Or am I better off moving it around to my 4 or 5 o clock? 4 is comfortable but it makes accessing my wallet a bitch...




Can you wear it at your 3 0'clock?

It'll make it easier.


+1
Link Posted: 2/5/2012 5:11:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
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I've had great results with eliminating printing by moving to appendix carry.  It's not for everyone but it has many advantages and one of those is definitely reduction in printing.


I can testify to this too.


How do you guys drive or sit down at all? I am debating on getting a VGII once they are released but I just cant see how you can sit with a gun at 0030


I'm carrying a g27 in a comptac 2 o'clock.  The holster rides high enough and the gun is short so it doesn't bother me at all.  It is easier to draw while sitting and driving while carrying aiwb.  I can't say how well it will work with a longer barreled handgun.
Link Posted: 2/5/2012 5:50:57 PM EDT
[#42]
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for myself, i got real used to carrying my glock on a clip draw at 11, which was fine until i had to sit in a car or crouch down and drive the barrel into my leg, but i feel like i can grab much faster from the front than the back, so i'm pretty seriously contemplating one of these things. i've spent more money on dumber stuff. if you click http://jjracaza.com/products/ it shows the pic described above showing how it sits in there. if i pick one up, i'll report back in.

a couple of you mentioned above that you do tuck a collared shirt in with the ITWB holster? i also have a kingtuk i where about 4:30 for the xd, but have not yet tried tucking in around it. you're comfortable with that? do you just use the left hand to pull the shirt up and the right hand to draw or how do you do that?


A G19 on a clipdraw at 11 o'clock? Condition 1?

Link Posted: 2/6/2012 2:22:07 AM EDT
[#43]
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for myself, i got real used to carrying my glock on a clip draw at 11, which was fine until i had to sit in a car or crouch down and drive the barrel into my leg, but i feel like i can grab much faster from the front than the back, so i'm pretty seriously contemplating one of these things. i've spent more money on dumber stuff. if you click http://jjracaza.com/products/ it shows the pic described above showing how it sits in there. if i pick one up, i'll report back in.

a couple of you mentioned above that you do tuck a collared shirt in with the ITWB holster? i also have a kingtuk i where about 4:30 for the xd, but have not yet tried tucking in around it. you're comfortable with that? do you just use the left hand to pull the shirt up and the right hand to draw or how do you do that?


A G19 on a clipdraw at 11 o'clock? Condition 1?



glock 23, o.w. yes. i'm guessing you wouldn't consider that safe or smart perhaps in case of accidental discharge? allowed me to keep my thumbs under my shirt and have instant access while walking through that neighborhood. never felt like i could've reacted fast enough with a rear positioned one if i had to. when in a car, i'd generally take it out and put it on the floorboard as i didn't like that barrel pointing at my leg.
Link Posted: 2/6/2012 2:38:19 AM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
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I've had great results with eliminating printing by moving to appendix carry.  It's not for everyone but it has many advantages and one of those is definitely reduction in printing.


I can testify to this too.


How do you guys drive or sit down at all? I am debating on getting a VGII once they are released but I just cant see how you can sit with a gun at 0030


I'm carrying a g27 in a comptac 2 o'clock.  The holster rides high enough and the gun is short so it doesn't bother me at all.  It is easier to draw while sitting and driving while carrying aiwb.  I can't say how well it will work with a longer barreled handgun.



It makes it easier for driving to me....since my seatbelt doesn't cover the holster and I'm not sitting on it. Body presses the pistol to an upright position, so it can be reached swiftly.
Link Posted: 2/6/2012 4:33:12 PM EDT
[#45]
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Decide that you just don't care.  

Bend over, stretch, do jumping jacks.  If it prints, so what?  It's not illegal, and nobody really cares.


that's basically what I am learning to do, I adjust it before i go out in a public setting, and I am learning to say screw it even if someone suspects i am carrying, I really don't care, its legal

Link Posted: 2/7/2012 4:16:41 AM EDT
[#46]
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Decide that you just don't care.  

Bend over, stretch, do jumping jacks.  If it prints, so what?  It's not illegal, and nobody really cares.


that's basically what I am learning to do, I adjust it before i go out in a public setting, and I am learning to say screw it even if someone suspects i am carrying, I really don't care, its legal



For some people in other states....printing is illegal.
Link Posted: 2/7/2012 5:15:08 AM EDT
[#47]
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Decide that you just don't care.  

Bend over, stretch, do jumping jacks.  If it prints, so what?  It's not illegal, and nobody really cares.


that's basically what I am learning to do, I adjust it before i go out in a public setting, and I am learning to say screw it even if someone suspects i am carrying, I really don't care, its legal.


For some people in other states....printing is illegal.

True that.

Also, if he could loose his job by printing, I bet he will care so much so that he will be leaving the gun in the car or at home in a safe.  So, unless he changes carry his method he is going to be one of the sheep.

In social settings where the reprecussions of letting it be known he has a gun would, he will also care enough to either change his carry method or become one of the sheep by leaving the gun in the car or at home in the safe.

Link Posted: 2/17/2012 11:11:56 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:
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Decide that you just don't care.  

Bend over, stretch, do jumping jacks.  If it prints, so what?  It's not illegal, and nobody really cares.


that's basically what I am learning to do, I adjust it before i go out in a public setting, and I am learning to say screw it even if someone suspects i am carrying, I really don't care, its legal



For some people in other states....printing is illegal.


In what states is printing illegal?
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