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Posted: 10/14/2005 2:14:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2005 3:38:31 AM EDT by CitySlicker]
***The photograph has since been removed as it belongs to VA_dinger and was posted without his consent nor proper recognition. You may view an alternate photo on page two of this thread. Thank you for your understanding and I wish to extend my full apologies to VA_dinger.***

As the title implies, does anyone have any further details on this (i.e., a release date, etc...)?

Thanks.

Regards,

Justin


­UPDATE: HK Inc.'s response:


Please provide name and an address. HK will send a current product catalog to your location.


Link Posted: 10/14/2005 3:45:02 PM EDT
Looks like the USP modified to meet the requirements of the new Joint Combat Pistol for the Department of Defense. Full size USP with Picatinny rail, user-changeable grips, threaded barrel. Exactly what the Army has specified...

Regards,

Kevin
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 3:56:01 PM EDT
I don't see the threaded barrel or changeable grips....
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 4:23:44 PM EDT
This pistol has been rumored for a year or so but nobody I know of has any firm release date. It is in short a large P2K chambered in .45 ACP and has the ambi safety, slide release, and normal PIC rail as well as interchangeable back straps.
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 5:22:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
This pistol has been rumored for a year or so but nobody I know of has any firm release date. It is in short a large P2K chambered in .45 ACP and has the ambi safety, slide release, and normal PIC rail as well as interchangeable back straps.



threaded barrel? Match trigger?

Just wondering if this had the potential to replace my USP Tac...

Scott
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 5:50:18 PM EDT
52Brandon -

Threaded barrel: Check the "action shot" on the right; you can see what appears to be the end of the barrel on both pistols extending past the end of the slide...

Grips: see what looks like a seam on the back of the grip on the pistol with the snake? That's the seam for the changeable grips...

Regards,

Kevin
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 5:55:26 PM EDT
Well, I was told the following by a very respected authority in the firearms world:


Think of it like a .45 ACP P2000: interchangeable back strap, pic rail instead of the BS HK rail, streamlined slide contours, available with plain or threaded barrel, choice of triggers, etc...


Anyone know if this has been discussed over at HKPro.com?

Justin
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 10:24:03 PM EDT
Awesome, addresses the only gripes I have with my otherwise perfect USPF 45. I hope it doesn't come out for a while, just so I can hold on to my money longer.
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 11:59:11 PM EDT
I like it. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
Link Posted: 10/15/2005 7:14:30 AM EDT

Originally posted by DocGKR [Dr. Roberts]:
The HK45 was shown on the "Future Handgun System" thread:

The .45 ACP HK USPc was a proposed COTS phased replacement for NSW Mk23 and P226 pistols; it has not been procured pending the outcome of the Joint Combat Pistol System.



lightfighter.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1931084651/m/8151045461/p/1




Originally posted by STGN:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/HK45.jpg
translated:

HK45 - Part by part precision -

The new HK45 has reliably fired more than 15.000 rounds with out cleaning.
Whatching special forces tested every detail of the pistol and because of the weapon's achievement where completly convinced.
No wonder that even the "Schwarz Diamant" rattle snake (left picture) wouldn't let go of the new HK45.

STGN



lightfighter.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1931084651/m/8151045461/p/2


Link Posted: 10/16/2005 11:44:58 PM EDT
Man, I hope this one make it to civilian market. I am saving up on this one!
Link Posted: 10/17/2005 9:36:10 AM EDT
kj, thanks, I see it now.

big-bore, are you saying it will have an ambidextrious slide release? That would be cool, then I could actually use my thumb on the slide release.
Link Posted: 10/18/2005 8:58:29 AM EDT
E-mail inbound to HK Inc.

I'll post their answer, if allowed.
Link Posted: 10/19/2005 8:55:48 AM EDT
If it comes with a manual saftey and a de-cock, I'm all for it. Throw in a threaded barrel, a light SA pull to go along with the DA, and some night sites and it'd be a hit. I also wish HK would make their hammer a little bigger.

On a side note, I'm glad they quit trying to push their tired and crusty "universal" rail. Sorry to go into rant mode, but unstandard worthless rails piss me off. I'm glad all of this "universal" unobtanium, adapter need stuff is fading away. Props to HK for finally using their heads and going with the 1913 Picatinny.

Sure seems like a US military contract seeking pistol if you ask me.
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 11:07:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/21/2005 11:08:24 AM EDT by olds442tyguy]

Originally Posted By 52brandon:
big-bore, are you saying it will have an ambidextrious slide release? That would be cool, then I could actually use my thumb on the slide release.



JMO, but it looks to have an ambidextrious slide release and safety, to go along with the already produced ambi mag release.

The models being fired appear to be a "Tactical" model. This pistol is exactly what SOCOM is looking for in their new pistol trials.

The basic model looks like a perfect match for the ARMY as well.

There's a topic about it over on HKPRO, but surprisingly it seems there's very little interest.
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 2:11:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:

Originally Posted By 52brandon:
big-bore, are you saying it will have an ambidextrious slide release? That would be cool, then I could actually use my thumb on the slide release.



JMO, but it looks to have an ambidextrious slide release and safety, to go along with the already produced ambi mag release.

The models being fired appear to be a "Tactical" model. This pistol is exactly what SOCOM is looking for in their new pistol trials.

The basic model looks like a perfect match for the ARMY as well.

There's a topic about it over on HKPRO, but surprisingly it seems there's very little interest.



Link?
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 3:38:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:

Originally Posted By 52brandon:
big-bore, are you saying it will have an ambidextrious slide release? That would be cool, then I could actually use my thumb on the slide release.



JMO, but it looks to have an ambidextrious slide release and safety, to go along with the already produced ambi mag release.

The models being fired appear to be a "Tactical" model. This pistol is exactly what SOCOM is looking for in their new pistol trials.

The basic model looks like a perfect match for the ARMY as well.

There's a topic about it over on HKPRO, but surprisingly it seems there's very little interest.

the only problem I could see the military having with this is the price. HK has great accuracy and reliability. Putting an ambi safety and slide release to go along with the ambi mag release will make it the best suited weapon I have seen for the masses, but I am sure the price tag is not going to be near what the military wants to pay
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 4:18:44 PM EDT
hkpro.websolv.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=291277&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post292587
Have you seen that episode of the Simpson’s where Homer makes a power plant model? “It’s just like the plant we have now, but with this nifty racing stripe, some wind flaps to reduce drag, and it has this macaroni fence”
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 10:16:34 AM EDT
Economies of scale come into affect with such huge orders that the US military can generate.
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:34:14 AM EDT
Changes have been made to the USP. If you can't handle a more modular and reliable USP (based on the 15k comment), don't buy it.

Seeing that HK may consider this offering, I now will not buy a USP unless this offering falls through. Most of my complaints with the USP have been fixed with this new model, so it is a plus to me. If you don't think the USP can be improved, good for you. Myself along with many others, do.
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 1:03:14 PM EDT
Sig & Glock updated to Picatinny Rails, and the USP has been out since when, 1994? I think its time for a new body style
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 6:01:14 AM EDT
Is the snake included?
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 7:09:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2005 8:02:42 AM EDT by olds442tyguy]

Originally Posted By James00:
Sig & Glock updated to Picatinny Rails, and the USP has been out since when, 1994? I think its time for a new body style


I don't think Glocks rail is 1913 Picatinny spec? I'm pretty sure it's a universal mix.

Off the top of my head, these makers use Picatinny rails. I'm sure there's more, but these are all I can recall right now.

SIG.
Beretta.
Springfield Armory.
Kimber.
Caspian/Wilson Combat.
Ruger.
I'm not sure, but I believe CZ is also using them.
Rock River.

Link Posted: 10/25/2005 7:54:18 PM EDT
Is it bad that I'm thinking about getting this instead of a 1911?
Link Posted: 10/28/2005 6:36:38 PM EDT
No, but some day you'll probably own both.
Link Posted: 10/31/2005 12:00:34 PM EDT
Well, it's been over two weeks and still no word from H&K Inc. so I decided to give them a piece of my mind.

As far as I'm concerned, they can shove that catalog where the sun don't shine.
Link Posted: 11/1/2005 8:04:43 AM EDT
I'm still amazed at the attitude from USP owners against the HK45.

Link Posted: 11/1/2005 2:03:13 PM EDT
I think because the new HK45 is an improvement over USP if I had bought a USP45 I would probably feel the same way.
Link Posted: 11/1/2005 5:19:18 PM EDT
Shhhh!

Link Posted: 11/2/2005 7:10:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2005 3:58:34 AM EDT by Jarhead_22]
I was banned for being a spamming dork.
Link Posted: 11/2/2005 9:20:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LionMan:
www.impactguns.com/store/media/hk_usp.jpg

H&K USP

what does that have to do with the HK45?

Also, do you work for impact or something, you have 7 responses that are all links to impact guns?
Link Posted: 11/11/2005 5:44:53 PM EDT
Another picture and some professional opinions can be found HERE.

I want one damnit!!
Link Posted: 11/11/2005 8:33:04 PM EDT
Thanks for the link. Man, I wanted one also!
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 6:04:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Another picture and some professional opinions can be found HERE.

I want one damnit!!



That is a GREAT discussion! Thanks bro!


And, of course, a little gratuitous gun porn:

Link Posted: 11/12/2005 12:50:57 PM EDT
If I was in the market for a USP tactical, would I want to hold off and purchase this?...any estimations on when this will be released to the public market?

Thank you
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 2:14:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Young_Buck:
If I was in the market for a USP tactical, would I want to hold off and purchase this?...any estimations on when this will be released to the public market?

Thank you



It will be showcased at SHOT 2006.
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 2:47:21 PM EDT
I have a sneaking suspicion that this will be my next handgun purchase and probably take over as my CCW
Link Posted: 11/13/2005 12:56:43 AM EDT
Now if they'll just add the o-ring threaded bbl., match trigger, & adjustable high-profile sights from the Tactical. Call it the "Tactical Plus".
Link Posted: 11/13/2005 2:05:54 PM EDT
I will indeed be all over one of these when released. If its smaller or thinner than a USP45 or Tac it may even become my new CCW.
Link Posted: 11/14/2005 12:27:27 PM EDT
It will be slimmer than the USP, and HK would be foolish not to make a Tactical model.

If it's all that it's said to be, this will be my first HK handgun purchase.
Link Posted: 11/14/2005 1:17:17 PM EDT
I would be ALL over one of these... Might even sell my USP 40 for it... Then again, I could get both!
Link Posted: 11/14/2005 1:18:29 PM EDT
I was saving for a USPF-45/ USP Tac 45 to replace my old USPF-40, this new model would be a better choice.
Link Posted: 11/15/2005 12:57:32 PM EDT
Looks like they finally made a P2000 in .45... The slide looks like it has the slanted profile the P2000 has, in that last pic. Not sure if I like that, but the rest of the weapon looks really good.
Link Posted: 11/15/2005 4:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2005 5:09:15 PM EDT by DrMark]
I hope the HK45's grip circumference is smaller than that of the USP 45 fullsize.

I think I want one.



ETA - Based on the 10-8 thread, I expect to find the HK45 more comfortable than the USP 45.



Link Posted: 11/15/2005 5:08:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrMark:
I hope the HK45's grip circumference is smaller than that of the USP 45 fullsize.

I know I want one.





Link Posted: 11/15/2005 5:10:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M4arc:

Originally Posted By DrMark:
I hope the HK45's grip circumference is smaller than that of the USP 45 fullsize.

I know I want one.







Okay, ya got me!



Link Posted: 11/15/2005 7:09:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Another picture and some professional opinions can be found HERE.

I want one damnit!!



That is a GREAT discussion! Thanks bro!


And, of course, a little gratuitous gun porn:

www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/postimages/12361-HK45plain.jpg



Well, it now appears that the above is a somewhat outdated photograph of the HK45 prototype and that the production model will look different. How different is anybody's guess.
Link Posted: 11/17/2005 2:31:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Economies of scale come into affect with such huge orders that the US military can generate.



I agree. If this is true, and our military makes the decision to buy the HK weapon, then a deal will come into hand and the scale will change.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 6:01:07 PM EDT
Word at lightfighter.net is that there's a compact version in the works as well.

lightfighter.net/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=7336015661&f=1931084651&m=5071044181&r=7461085381#7461085381

Link Posted: 11/20/2005 3:48:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2005 3:51:22 PM EDT by Va_Dinger]

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/HK45.jpg




Thanks for stealing my photo. A heads up and credit would have been enough.

I'm told it will be released during SHOT with civilian sales 2-6 months later.

Personally, it looks like my next handgun purchse.

There will be a standard and compact version.
Link Posted: 11/20/2005 6:31:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/HK45.jpg




Thanks for stealing my photo. A heads up and credit would have been enough.

I'm told it will be released during SHOT with civilian sales 2-6 months later.

Personally, it looks like my next handgun purchse.

There will be a standard and compact version.




I was unaware that it was your photo. I saw it posted several times at Lightfighter.net and subsequently used it here. I apologize for the inconvenience and I will remove the offending photo immediately. Had I known it was your photo, I would have never posted it (at least, not without your consent and proper recognition).

Having said that...

I see Dr. Roberts 'stole' it: lightfighter.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1931084651/m/8151045461/p/1

I see Jason K 'stole' it: lightfighter.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1931084651/m/1041032321/p/3

I see STGN 'stole' it: lightfighter.net/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1931084651/m/8151045461/r/7501016861#7501016861

I see Clinton Wirtz 'stole' it: www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=otherguns&Number=12339&page=0&fpart=all


Apparently, it was even 'stolen' by a member(s) of the HKPro.com forums.

I see all of this, yet, you know what I don't see? I don't see a credit in your name either. So it looks like the above individuals are as "guilty" as I am, yet, you don't seem to mind their 'transgressions'.

Be that as it may, I acknowledge that it is indeed your photo and that I--just like all the others--had no right to post it. Therefore, it will be removed from all my comments here effective immediately.

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience and I wish you all the best in your pursuit for justice against the above mentioned 'aggressors.'

Regards,

Justin
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