As an update, I downloaded to 38+P loads, and now I can nail plates all day at 25 yards. Was simply a matter of practice and dropping to the lighter load. 38+P in a JHP is plenty leathal at close range. In cooler weather I prefer .45, but in the Summer I like to be able to carry wearing shorts and a t-shirt without printing. If Matt Del Fatti ever gets my IWB made, I'll probably switch to my P7M8. But this revolver is a great option and again, with a little practice I am now comfortable trusting this little wheel gun. With this gun, a high grip is the key. And as for the other argument, what point is carrying CCW if you print? Many times I carry, I just do not want to print. I cant tell you how many times I've been to the store and seen bulging fanny packs or the grips of so called compacts sticking out of guys shirts. CCW means concealed.