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Link Posted: 10/3/2020 9:15:04 PM EST
Well I think CD is plenty high speed compared to the rest of us.

I didn’t mean it as shade. Only because I hadn’t seen one on SOF guns before.
Link Posted: 10/6/2020 10:23:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Well I think CD is plenty high speed compared to the rest of us.

I didn’t mean it as shade. Only because I hadn’t seen one on SOF guns before.
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CD is certainly high speed and I also didn’t mean to sound rude, just didn’t expect to see that light on any military hardware is all. Of course maybe things have changed and Inforce has better QC now.
Link Posted: 10/6/2020 10:39:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2020 6:48:11 AM EST
look at how many Serpa Holsters made it in to the Military.... Just cause they use something, don't make it great....
Link Posted: 10/7/2020 2:10:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Harv24:
look at how many Serpa Holsters made it in to the Military.... Just cause they use something, don't make it great....
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Except for the G19.  Praise be unto it.
Link Posted: 10/8/2020 10:36:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cccollin545:


CD is certainly high speed and I also didn’t mean to sound rude, just didn’t expect to see that light on any military hardware is all. Of course maybe things have changed and Inforce has better QC now.
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That's exactly where I was coming from.  Odd to see it on a .mil gun.
Link Posted: 10/8/2020 10:55:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:



That's exactly where I was coming from.  Odd to see it on a .mil gun.
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I don't know why the light was on it and not the issued one.  Young SSGs don't make allot that if married with kids.


CD
Link Posted: 10/8/2020 11:45:47 AM EST
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WANT
Link Posted: 10/8/2020 2:51:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:


I don't know why the light was on it and not the issued one.  Young SSGs don't make allot that if married with kids.


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Assumed something to that affect.  If it works it works.
Link Posted: 10/13/2020 9:40:18 PM EST
Slightly off topic so apologies for the brief intrusion, but seeing as a few people have mentioned various P320s in this thread I just wanted to say we’ve started a similar thread over in the Sig subforum here:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/OFFICIAL-Military-and-Armed-Forces-P320-Thread-info-pics-discussion-clones-etc/14-197144/

Anyone with pics or info of units fielding P320 variants (perhaps @Combat_Diver has started seeing some?) please feel free to post there! Now back to your regularly Glocked programming
Link Posted: 11/3/2020 5:36:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Moses_J:
Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Appreciate all the responses. Probably gonna go the MRDS route, one clone I can finish without breaking the bank. Just have to find an alg mag well now.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222364/Screenshot_20200808-235517_Instagram_jpg-1538474.JPG



Anyone know what mag extensions are being used in this pic?
Link Posted: 11/3/2020 9:34:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LongTrang:



Anyone know what mag extensions are being used in this pic?
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Originally Posted By Moses_J:
Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Appreciate all the responses. Probably gonna go the MRDS route, one clone I can finish without breaking the bank. Just have to find an alg mag well now.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222364/Screenshot_20200808-235517_Instagram_jpg-1538474.JPG



Anyone know what mag extensions are being used in this pic?

Arc Division
Link Posted: 11/3/2020 9:59:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Moses_J:

Arc Division
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Thanks!
Link Posted: 11/4/2020 2:50:23 PM EST
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What magwell is this? It’s not a Frey’s and looks like what I’ve been looking for(magwell that is straight walled in the front instead of having a forward protruding lip)
Link Posted: 11/4/2020 11:39:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gmbackus:


What magwell is this? It’s not a Frey’s and looks like what I’ve been looking for(magwell that is straight walled in the front instead of having a forward protruding lip)
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Looks like a warfighter magwell too me, but I can’t make out much beyond the profile.

Also of interest is the lack of finger grooves
Link Posted: 11/5/2020 12:15:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Parabellum226:


Looks like a warfighter magwell too me, but I can’t make out much beyond the profile.

Also of interest is the lack of finger grooves
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That actually might be it, looking at the warfighter is difficult since most of the pics I’ve seen are of grip reduced frames.  The other candidate looks like it might be KE arms
Link Posted: 11/25/2020 7:15:10 AM EST
Kind of surprised this awesome thread was about to fall back to page 3.
Link Posted: 12/7/2020 9:20:54 AM EST
A couple photos from 10th Group.

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Link Posted: 12/7/2020 9:36:44 AM EST
cool thread.
Link Posted: 12/8/2020 10:27:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Joescuba:



I've been told that some of the SF/CAG guys are carrying single stack G43x/48 for plain clothes close protection if real concealment is required... Combat Diver any confirmation?

Not Combat Diver, but yes.
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nice, does that mean my EDC is a clone
Link Posted: 12/8/2020 9:55:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:


nice, does that mean my EDC is a clone
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Sorry no
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 3:46:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 4:43:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheGreatDanton:


Sorry no
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Thats just mean.
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 7:00:10 PM EST
Still looking for a Smith that will weld and re cut my Glock slide to mos configuration
Link Posted: 12/22/2020 7:02:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gmbackus:
Still looking for a Smith that will weld and re cut my Glock slide to mos configuration
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Why would it need welded? I dont understand.
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 1:01:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


Why would it need welded? I dont understand.
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The dovetail for an mos slide is further to the rear to make room for the mos cut
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 8:46:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gmbackus:


The dovetail for an mos slide is further to the rear to make room for the mos cut
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Oh, okay, I see what you mean.

I would suggest starting fresh with an uncut blank.
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 9:58:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


Oh, okay, I see what you mean.

I would suggest starting fresh with an uncut blank.
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That wouldn’t be clone correct...either you’re misinterpreting the reply above, or I am, because cloners mean serious business
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 11:08:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gmbackus:


That wouldn’t be clone correct...either you’re misinterpreting the reply above, or I am, because cloners mean serious business
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Is welding considered clone correct then?
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 12:08:26 PM EST
Pinning and welding is acceptable so maybe?

Clearly sarcasm isn’t some of your guys strong suit, or you aren’t hanging out in the cloner threads
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 8:52:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gmbackus:
Still looking for a Smith that will weld and re cut my Glock slide to mos configuration
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Guessing this is for a gen 3?
Link Posted: 12/23/2020 9:26:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lasnyder:
Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon...
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what year was this?
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:05:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/24/2020 1:27:46 PM EST by lasnyder]
tucan... I have poor time spatial distinction of events... it was a couple of years ago, possibly 5... a good friend works at SOCOM at McDill in the Science and Technology area... I got the warehoused Homeland Security pistols information from him... at approximately the same time Glock was offering a commemorative  issue for SOCOM "friends and family" and I was offered one, thinking it was one of these G19s.... I turned it down when I discovered it was specially engraved, I didn't think it was appropriate as I am not a SOPCOM employee, although I have helped him with several product ideas, and with the SOPMOD manual...
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:57:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 11:40:55 AM EST
ICE had a lot of Glocks leftover after the merge and they switched to 229s.  We're talking 2005ish.  I heard these had made their way to DOD but have no info to back it up
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 8:29:50 PM EST
glocks have been everywhere at one point or another.  literally.  DHS components have switched/are switching to the 19/47 "unicorn" but various components have had them over the years (saltwater folks esp)
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:11:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/24/2020 10:12:12 PM EST by cone256]
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Originally Posted By tucansam:
glocks have been everywhere at one point or another.  literally.  DHS components have switched/are switching to the 19/47 "unicorn" but various components have had them over the years (saltwater folks esp)
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ICE is getting 320s while CBP and USSS are getting the 19/47.  Its stupid that DHS can't standardize on a single pistol but here we are lol
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:45:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cone256:


ICE is getting 320s while CBP and USSS are getting the 19/47.  Its stupid that DHS can't standardize on a single pistol but here we are lol
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ICE has always been on their own program.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 11:11:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 9:28:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cone256:


ICE is getting 320s while CBP and USSS are getting the 19/47.  Its stupid that DHS can't standardize on a single pistol but here we are lol
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DHS did standardize handguns with the exception of Secret Service and their .357 SIG handgun.  The P229 DAK .40 was agreed upon by CBP, ICE, USCG and FPS agency administrators after DHS was created.  Representatives from all of those agencies converged on Altoona, PA and conducted the largest US handgun solicitation ever conducted outside of DoD.  The caliber was driven by Border Patrol after their success with the 155gr Federal XM40HB in their Berettas.  The 155gr quickly became a problem with the CBP inspectors who complained of the harsh recoil.  After some CBP union involvement the .40 135gr Federal XM40HA was adopted for the CBP Inspectors.  Several years later the DHS, except USSS, standardized with the .40 180gr XM40HC.

Circa 2014, ICE began working with several ammunition manufacturers on a 9mm round with similar terminal ballistics as the .40 180gr.  Around the same time the ICE Ballistics lab hosted the personnel from the FBI Ballistics Research Facility and ICE shared their initial 9mm research.  Shortly after the Bureau began their move to 9mm.  The 9mm was decided upon due to the excellent terminal ballistics, less wear and tear on personnel, higher magazine capacity among other factors.




Link Posted: 12/30/2020 9:29:33 AM EST
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Sometime in 2015 ICE began discussions with the DHS LE partners and began drafting a DHS wide solicitation for a 9mm handgun.  The concept was to purchase a "family" of firearms in 9mm to acomodate the diverse mission sets and body types found within the 58,000 armed officers.  Discussions with the DHS components broke down and ICE continued on their own.  Unfortunately, after the contract award for the P320 the other DHS components were advised that the contract capacity (maximum dollar amount) did not have room for the other agencies to purchase new handguns.  This lead to the separate CBP test and contract award to Glock.  About this same time CBP began operating their own armory due to some internal battles with ICE.  It's unfortunate for the taxpayer that these differences couldn't be overcome.  The power of firearms and parts acquisition build into a single acquisition historically drove prices down and was a great deal for the taxpayer.

@cone256, I agree.  It's very stupid.


Sorry for having to split this up.  I'm limited to 2K characters.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 9:52:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Warlord2:
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Sometime in 2015 ICE began discussions with the DHS LE partners and began drafting a DHS wide solicitation for a 9mm handgun.  The concept was to purchase a "family" of firearms in 9mm to acomodate the diverse mission sets and body types found within the 58,000 armed officers.  Discussions with the DHS components broke down and ICE continued on their own.  Unfortunately, after the contract award for the P320 the other DHS components were advised that the contract capacity (maximum dollar amount) did not have room for the other agencies to purchase new handguns.  This lead to the separate CBP test and contract award to Glock.  About this same time CBP began operating their own armory due to some internal battles with ICE.  It's unfortunate for the taxpayer that these differences couldn't be overcome.  The power of firearms and parts acquisition build into a single acquisition historically drove prices down and was a great deal for the taxpayer.

@cone256, I agree.  It's very stupid.


Sorry for having to split this up.  I'm limited to 2K characters.
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Yeah lets hope the Glocks fair better than the HKs did
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 11:35:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cone256:


Yeah lets hope the Glocks fair better than the HKs did
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My P2k lasted 13 years; I literally broke the trigger spring on my last qual with it.  Unfortunately we broke 3-6 springs per quarter, on average, at my station.  I never had a single issue with my Beretta before that.

Having said that, my 47 is a gift from Heaven, and I'll retire before they can take it away from me and give me something "better."

Just wish there had been more testing with the sights prior to rollout.  We have had to do a lot of experimenting and fancy theatrics to get the imprecision of the giant glowing orb to work with unfamiliar shooters.  That should have been ironed out in T&E.

And the floor plate is an abomination.  


Link Posted: 12/30/2020 11:39:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By tucansam:

Just wish there had been more testing with the sights prior to rollout.  We have had to do a lot of experimenting and fancy theatrics to get the imprecision of the giant glowing orb to work with unfamiliar shooters.  That should have been ironed out in T&E.

And the floor plate is an abomination.  

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I do not understand, what do you mean by this?
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 12:04:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


I do not understand, what do you mean by this?
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Originally Posted By tucansam:

Just wish there had been more testing with the sights prior to rollout.  We have had to do a lot of experimenting and fancy theatrics to get the imprecision of the giant glowing orb to work with unfamiliar shooters.  That should have been ironed out in T&E.

And the floor plate is an abomination.  



I do not understand, what do you mean by this?


There's an extension (bullets forward) on them to "assist" with stripping the mag out.  Absolutely stupid
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 12:17:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tucansam:



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It would have been in 2007 if I remember correctly.  I talked about some of the details back on page 6.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 12:36:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cone256:


Yeah lets hope the Glocks fair better than the HKs did
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The HKs weren't that bad from a maintenance prospective.  Most of the issues came from the .40 155gr, it literally beat the guns to death.  Even though both the P2000 and P229 were both tested to 10K rounds without failure with the original parts, nothing can promote the longevity of the pistol more that replacing the recoil spring. Unless I'm forgetting something, the only large scale problem I recall was CBP Air and Marine with a saltwater corrosion issue.  

A small number of the Customs G19s had a barrel drop issue which lead to a distinctive type of failure to feed.  Glock supplied numerous magazine iterations, each with a different magazine follower angle.  These were designated by a dot and then a series of single numbers on the back of the magazine.  This fix was still in progress after the formation of DHS.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 3:09:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cone256:


There's an extension (bullets forward) on them to "assist" with stripping the mag out.  Absolutely stupid
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You mean the difference between Gen 5 and older mags? I carry with Gen 5 mags, I don't notice a difference at all.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 4:51:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


You mean the difference between Gen 5 and older mags? I carry with Gen 5 mags, I don't notice a difference at all.
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I think the 47 mags have a longer floor plate than even the Gen 5's.
Link Posted: 1/1/2021 9:51:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
SF deep concealment gun is the Mk26 aka G26.  This is a program of record.  Can't comment what CAG/DEVGRU is using.

CD
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CD, any pictures of the Baby Glocks over there?
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