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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:53:58 AM EST
Anyone know what the CIA, SS, or other, federal agencies issue for concealed carry?
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 7:16:23 AM EST
Mostly Glocks and SIGs I think. If memory serves me, the FBI issues G23s and 155grn HydraShoks. Border Patrol issues Berettas in .40S&W (and I have a huge pile of once-fired brass to prove it ).
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 10:10:10 PM EST
The former I.N.S. (now I.C.E.) sidearm is the HK USP Compact .40 S&W.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 10:14:34 PM EST
SS issues P229 .357 Sig.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 10:15:56 PM EST
Federal Air Marshals are issued Sig 229's in .357sig
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 2:13:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 2:15:06 AM EST by SO-COM]

Originally Posted By p99guy:
Federal Air Marshals are issued Sig 229's in .357sig



Kinda interesting they chose such a small, fast moving round, in a space where penetration could cause problems (not decompression, but hitting wiring/electronics). Wonder why it was picked over a non +P .45 or .40.. ?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 10:10:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 10:14:43 AM EST by p99guy]
Well, I havent a clue as to why that was picked over everything else...but we have ask them the what if you miss question and we just get a big grin and "we DONT miss". (We see FAM's several times a week) They do shoot far more every month than anybody else in DHS . One intresting thing to note...they dont have to challenge you or say a word before shooting you in the back(or front). Thier motto is "what ever it takes"
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 10:16:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 10:17:41 AM EST by Msokol13]

Originally Posted By p99guy:
they dont have to challenge you or say a word before shooting you in the back(or front). Thier motto is "what ever it takes"



Nice, I will be sure not to argue with the Flight Attendants when they don't bring my half-cup of diet coke on-time.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 10:27:05 AM EST
lol...not the kind of thing they get into. They do not serve the role of policeman in the sky....their sole function is to keep the aircraft from becoming a missle.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 12:00:19 PM EST
Armed pilots get s USP compact .40sw.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 1:20:32 PM EST
Thinking about it a little more, it wouldn't really hurt to have a fast moving round.. Would .357Sig penetrate multiple people, like if they were lined up in a isleway?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 1:52:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By p99guy:
Well, I havent a clue as to why that was picked over everything else...but we have ask them the what if you miss question and we just get a big grin and "we DONT miss". (We see FAM's several times a week) They do shoot far more every month than anybody else in DHS . One intresting thing to note...they dont have to challenge you or say a word before shooting you in the back(or front). Thier motto is "what ever it takes"



My speculation, of course, but I think a .357 SIG is reliable feeding. As a bottle neck cartridge, it's a small bullet coming up the ramp to a larger hole (a .40 hole).
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 2:13:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By SO-COM:

Originally Posted By p99guy:
Federal Air Marshals are issued Sig 229's in .357sig



Kinda interesting they chose such a small, fast moving round, in a space where penetration could cause problems (not decompression, but hitting wiring/electronics). Wonder why it was picked over a non +P .45 or .40.. ?



Construction of the bullet will negate the relative increase in velocity if concerned about over penetration. They were using glasers(sp?) at one time if memory serves.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 2:23:10 PM EST
.357 tends to expand well and not be much of a problem on the other side. Its got a really good rep too, for kills. The decompression thing is a myth, it will not rip a plane apart. I believe it started with a James Bond movie.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 4:27:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By SO-COM:

Originally Posted By p99guy:
Federal Air Marshals are issued Sig 229's in .357sig



Kinda interesting they chose such a small, fast moving round, in a space where penetration could cause problems (not decompression, but hitting wiring/electronics). Wonder why it was picked over a non +P .45 or .40.. ?



.45ACP is far more likely to overpenetrate than the .357 SIG. Slow heavy bullets will penetrate more in a given material than a lighter, higher velocity round.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 4:31:04 PM EST
An aircraft is not a perfectly sealed tube. The pumps are constanly working. A couple of holes will matter not.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 9:22:52 PM EST
Ya, like I said, decompression has been prooven false. Its the hitting of something that could start a fire, or something that is vital to the aircraft's controls that could be an issue. A small one, but I guess its a risk you'd have to risk in order to secure the entire plane.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 9:46:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 9:47:03 PM EST by DoctorNo]
Feds are also a fan of the .357 sig because it will reliably go through auto glass. TX DPS has scored some major kills with the .357, and have been very happy with the performance.

Doc
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 10:46:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By SO-COM:

Originally Posted By p99guy:
Federal Air Marshals are issued Sig 229's in .357sig



Kinda interesting they chose such a small, fast moving round, in a space where penetration could cause problems (not decompression, but hitting wiring/electronics). Wonder why it was picked over a non +P .45 or .40.. ?



.45ACP is far more likely to overpenetrate than the .357 SIG. Slow heavy bullets will penetrate more in a given material than a lighter, higher velocity round.

high quality .45 JHPs almost never penetrate fully through a man, and FMJs do so irregularly.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 3:46:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By bergunx:
The former I.N.S. (now I.C.E.) sidearm is the HK USP Compact .40 S&W.



That's changing real soon, with our new Firearms policy we are going to get quite the selection, including SIGs and Glocks (supposedly).
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:42:50 PM EST
Hey GunSlinger808, I read the "new" policy and I'm thinking about the Glock 19 and the Glock 26...I know it's a 9mm, but I'm still hoping that they will include the Glock .40s on a "revised" list.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 12:00:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By bergunx:
Hey GunSlinger808, I read the "new" policy and I'm thinking about the Glock 19 and the Glock 26...I know it's a 9mm, but I'm still hoping that they will include the Glock .40s on a "revised" list.



According to appendix 1 the policy states Glock models 17,19,26,and 27 (9mm and .40 cal.).
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