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Posted: 12/30/2006 5:25:52 PM EST
So the thread on "The Answer" has 2-4 people who mention they have issues engaging the grip safety on their 1911 pistols. I've never had the issue. I've never heard it mentioned in shooting with at least 100 people who use the 1911.

I have shot with people ranging from 5'1" petite females to 6'5" husky men...not one person mentioned it as an issue. All body types in between.

I have seen the inner tube trick on some of the fly-boy's 1911's, but figured that was preference.

So...

Issues with the grip safety? Or not? No poll. I want people to sound off without being anonymous.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:30:26 PM EST
Nope. Never had any kind of problems with it. Including on the "old style" grip safeties like the old Remington Rands (which is what I grew up shooting) or my newer Series 70 Colt. I always thought that the new beavertails were just marking glitz.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:31:41 PM EST
Have never had the "problem" with either my Officers ACP or my 1911. Have never seen it or heard of it with anyone I shoot with.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:33:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/30/2006 5:35:54 PM EST by Hellhound]
Colt Combat Commander .45, have tried 3 different types of grip safeties over the years:

No issues whatsoever.

Factory Grip Saftety
King's Grip Safety
Wilson Grip Safety

5'10"



ETA: Shivan, I bought your TA31A Acog some time ago, thing is a blast, love it.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:34:27 PM EST
I'm one of the ones from the other thread.

I had a RRA 1911 (gone now) that would not always engage the grip safety.

Never had a problem with my Springfield.

FWIW, I have long skinny fingers.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:37:08 PM EST
No problem here, either. As far as I'm concerned, the grip safety of a 1911 is the best
engineered firearm safety system ever devised. Its operation is totally transparent,
requiring no thought and no training, and it's effective for its intended purpose.


Only someone who is missing most of the web of his hand between his thumb and his index
finger, or more, would have a problem with the grip safety.

CJ
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:47:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:51:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By SGB:
No problemo here
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 5:52:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bogey1911:

Originally Posted By SGB:
No problemo here
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 7:36:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By Bogey1911:

Originally Posted By SGB:
No problemo here


+1
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 7:50:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2006 3:19:37 AM EST by CFII]
I have a problem with some. I get high, and my hand wont touch the safety enough to disengage it. However, this is all a moot point, becuase my 1911 works for me, and that is all that matters.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 7:53:46 PM EST
I grip the pistol higher than most. Sometimes I have problems, but not on YoBo guns. On Kimbers mostly.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 7:58:17 PM EST
Never been an issue for me on any 1911's I've owned or shot.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 8:20:06 PM EST
none here
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 8:36:08 PM EST
A high grip is why SA made a bump on their beavertail safety.
The beavertail itself is made to eliminate hammer bite with a high grip.
I think possibly that people who have never had a problem either use a low grip, or just have a well made grip safety.


Jim
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 9:16:56 PM EST
I've trained myself NOT to have problems , but there is an issue
because I have large hands . When I grip a 1911 to get a proper
finger on the trigger I end up with a gap at the top of the back strap .
The grip safety's with the raised bump pretty much eliminate the problem
but on the 2 guns I haven't changed over to the bump style . I have to
make a conscious effort to adjust my grip
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 9:18:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:
Never been an issue for me on any 1911's I've owned or shot.


+1. Never had problem.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 10:01:49 PM EST
I was 12 the first time I shot a 1911. I'm 32. While I don't shoot as much as I like I do average 50-100 rounds a week in a 1911 since I started. Not once have I had a problem even when drawing from concealment with a full size or compact 1911.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 10:03:13 PM EST
Never a problem with me.

In fact, there's a guy on here I met from the Ohio forum that was looking at 1911s but was concerned the grip safety would be a problem. He is now another proud owner and said he never even notices it while firing.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 10:52:00 PM EST
I am as average as they get, ZERO PROBLEMS.


As an anecdotal addition, I have a weeeeeee cousin who is about 5 foot one or two, weighs about 90 lbs and handles a 1911 phenomenally. Again, ZERO issues.
Link Posted: 12/30/2006 11:08:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/30/2006 11:09:54 PM EST by Hebrew_Battle_Rifle]
I have replaced the GI type grip safeties with beaver tail grip safeties on all of my 1911s (4). I did this to eliminate the flesh eating hammer bite and to eliminate the occassional failure to disengage.



If you have the tools, it is a simple task.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 2:31:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
Do you have consistent issues engaging the grip safety?


No
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 2:37:27 AM EST
Yes, it can be a problem. I have to make a conscious effort to relax my hand in a certain way.

I beleive hand shape is the key. I have the problem even with a memory bump. i am looking into a custom fit grip safety.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 2:55:54 AM EST
I dont.


I know Hawkeye has a problem with it.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 3:10:42 AM EST
The people who consistently have a problem with it probably aren't shooting 1911s anymore nor hanging out in the 1911 section.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 3:41:41 AM EST
Nope. Not on any of the service pistols, nor the commercial ones I've shot, in 36 years of off and on experience with 1911's.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 3:55:55 AM EST
yeah but I have tiny fingers and large palms so my hands are f'ed up :-)
I had issues shooting two handed with kimbers grip safety till I got a shorter trigger installed... the ed brown style wilson that I had on a KZ was best for me....
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:00:59 AM EST
I didn't know it was an issue until this thread.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:37:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2006 6:37:46 AM EST by Scot45]

Originally Posted By feral:
I didn't know it was an issue until this thread.


Neither did I. I own 1911's with the GI grip safety, S&A beavertails, Ed Bown Memory Groove beavertails, and CMC beavertails. I've NEVER had a single instance where I did not properly engage the grip safety. It is not something I even think about when shooting. In fact, I actually like having the grip safety. Contrary to what some of these "I ownly carry my 1911 with the hammer down, or chamber empty" weirdos say - I think the 1911 is one of the safest guns to carry - the grip safety being a big part of that.

I like knowing that while I'm carrying my 1911 IWB, for it to magically go off, not only does the thumb safety have to be swept off, the grip safety must be fully depressed, and the trigger must be pulled. I still don't understand how people get all scared carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, yet they will carry a fully chambered Glock with no probelm at all.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:13:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2006 7:13:43 AM EST by chapperjoe]
to tell you the truth, in my opinion, the grip safety does not cause me as many problems as the thumb safety. During dissasembly once I two hand gripped a safety less 1911 and it was perrrrrrrrrrrrfect. it seems that the wedge is RIGHT where I want my top thumb to be and resting it on the wedge makes it that much more uncomfortable.

(my perfect 'answer' would also have a series 80 firing pin safety and no thumb safety - a lawyers dream )

my hands are definitely in the minority though!
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:53:55 AM EST
I do often.

I hold with as high a grip as 'allowed' and with my thumb on the safety. What happens, with that grip and my hand, is the hand pushes up more than a "low" grip and doesn't cause the the grip safety to pivot. The lower and thicker the beavertail, like a S&A, the harder it is...for me. An Ed Brown beavertail allows a higher grip and if "sensitized" enough, I think I can get away with it.

Now, I can adjust my hand to make any grip safety work, but drawing out of a holster is where the differences are evident. So, I can pick up any Kimber, Springfield, Baer at a gunshop and the chances are I can't release the hammer without making manual adjustments.

I'm guessing the "high hold" is the major issue with the grip safety, hand size being "second".
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 8:25:13 AM EST
Small hands, no problems.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 8:28:06 AM EST
No problems here at all.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 10:42:37 AM EST
Sometimes I would have problems with a standard one. With my right thumb over the safety, every once in a while I wouldn't press down far enough. I don't seem to have that problem with the kimber and the beavertail they use.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 10:51:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By feral:
I didn't know it was an issue until this thread.



Its the whole reason the "speed bump" or "memory groove" appeared on beavertails to begin with. Also the reason that pinning grip the grip safety has been wisely replaced by gunsmiths with the skill to "sensitize" the safety so it takes less effort to deactivate it.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 10:57:37 AM EST
No problems here with any 1911 I've ever shot. Of course they've all been full size 1911's but I can't see that making that much of a difference.

E-95
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 12:18:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Curare:
The people who consistently have a problem with it probably aren't shooting 1911s anymore nor hanging out in the 1911 section.


Did their inability to use a 1911 grip safety extract the ability to read "active topics" and chime in?

Didn't think so.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 12:29:58 PM EST
nary a problem with any of mine. I have always had a problem with hammer bite though, and because of this, all my 1911s have beavertails

(when I say 'I have a problem with hammer bite', I mean 1 shot = me bleeding....ask Wulf50guy)
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 1:05:25 PM EST
only once out of 2.5 years shooting with an sti wide body. Never with a single stack 45 and I use the older ed brown non memory grip safites on all my single stack 1911's.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 1:18:21 PM EST
Never a problem with any of the 9 or 10 1911 sytle pistols I've had over a 30 year period.

Never.

Danny
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 1:25:57 PM EST
Issues with the grip safety? Or not?

Never.

Gloves, wet, muddy, cold, hot - never.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 1:41:41 PM EST
Interesting thread, because my uncle had a pre-WWII 1911 that everyone with normal or small hands had trouble with the grip safety. He had it pinned like many people did back then. I remember going to the hardware store with him when I was young, and the guy behind the counter recommended always pinning the grip safety on a 1911. I guess the little bump at the bottom has solved that problem since so few people have trouble with it now.z
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 4:29:34 PM EST
Issues with the grip safety not disengaging? No.
Issues with it not engaging as expected? Yes.

I was cleaning my customized 1991A1 and my wife was curious how safe it was. I demonstrated and the grip safety failed to engage. OOps.

IMHO, it's a mainspring issue. I replace springs pretty frequently because I've found that recoil springs, mainsprings and magazine springs have all been sources of malfunction at one time or another.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 4:39:25 PM EST
Been shooting them since it was my issue weapon in the Army. (MP) (Many moons ago) Never had a problem, ever.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 9:07:33 PM EST
I've had the pleasure of shooting just about every style of 1911, 1911A1, stock, custom, full-size, Commander or Officer's ACP and have never had a problem with the grip safety. Nor have any of my shooting acquaintances who favor the 1911 platform.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 6:46:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 2:21:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
On Kimbers mostly.

I've only ever goofed on two pistols with the grip saftey. One was a Springfield GI, and the other was a memory padless Kimber. I say goof, because it was my own fault, but it probably wouldn't have happened if a memory pad was present. That said, I have a solid disliking for padless safeties.

I wouldn't call it a problem though, just a preference.
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