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WORKING ON THE PHOTOS

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Of the limited choices, I would have to go with the Bren Ten

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Funny how Flickr intentionally breaks the photos, but they'll advertise the fact that you took them using a Canon PowerShot SD850 IS.  They're getting as unreliable as Photobucket.z

ETA: Well that didn't take long for Yahoo to send a threatening e-mail.  I wish their IT department was as well funded as their legal department.

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Here are teh best three image sites in order...

photobucket
postimage.com
imageshack.us

Imageshack used to be #2 but sometimes its slow to load and has issues. postimage.com is somewhat new and I love it.

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Interdasting

One everyone-has-one Glock and no Automag or Sphinx or even one of the old Springfield Armory factory compensated 'race guns' they used to sell back in the 80's...  

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I'd say the Bren Ten because it took several sets of big brass balls to conceptualize, design, market and manufacture it from scratch.   And chambering it in the Centimeter was just a big FUCK YOU to the milquetoasts of the handgun world.

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Umm you forgot the VP70

But added a glock 17? poll FAIL

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They did not design it.  The Bren 10 is a version of the CZ-75.

When Dornaus & Dixon designed the Bren Ten with Jeff Cooper's input, their aim was to market a highly accurate, extremely reliable combat arm with all necessary "custom" features right out of the box. Among Jeff Cooper's requirements were:

1. the pistol must be de-horned.
2. have rugged fully adjustable sights.
3. have a self contained tool kit for sight adjustment and basic maintenance.
4. have a lanyard ring.
5. have an adjustable magazine drop.
6. have the ability to be carried "cocked & locked".
7. be chambered in the .40 special (10mm).
8. be capable of target impact velocities with a 200 grain bullet of 1,000 fps.(at all reasonable combat ranges)
9. have a loaded chamber indicator which can be verified visually and by feel.
10. must be very accurate.
11. have a reversible (not ambidextrous) thumb safety and magazine catch.
12. have an enlarged and flared ejection port.
14. have a larger trigger guard to allow firing with a gloved hand.
13. most importantly, have a 99.9% reliability rating.

When properly executed, the original Bren Ten achieved these goals. The operative words here are "properly executed". Assembly issues at start-up along with substandard outsourced components such as slide & frame investment castings and the original MEC-GAR dual caliber magazines had quality all over the map. Later manufactured guns with the 2nd generation 10mm magazines were on the mark however. Even Eric Kincel* made the following comment regarding the Bren Ten's accuracy in his Gun World feature article on the Peregrine Falcon:

"Dornaus and Dixon advertised that all production Bren Tens would produce a ten-shot group less than one-inch at twenty-five yards, while that auto was in production. From my own experience, I know this to be true. The use of Power-Seal rifling in the Falcon should make it highly accurate."

Apparently, Vltor has deemed that items number 3 and 5 are arguably extraneous and have been dropped. Their decision to use Witness magazine components in their magazine assemblies has left some people scratching their heads also. That said, do you feel that Vltor, with 2010, not 1984 technology available, will be able to maintain the accuracy, reliability and other general design requirements of the original?"

Please note that Vltor, in addition to deleting the original screwdriver/guide rod assembly and the magazine drop switch, has made the original owner removable castellated barrel bushing a factory only serviced part. The original design incorporated a left hand thread and roll pin which resisted unscrewing and facilitated easy replacement of the front sight. They have also added a third safety-a firing pin block of either the Colt series 80 or Swartz style. Also, Vltor redesigned the fire control geometry and strengthened the ejector/sear housing assembly. The sear housing was a trouble spot on the original. While of "adequate strength", the ejector was hand fitted and on some early guns, were not done so correctly. This led to empty cases bouncing off the slide behind the ejection port or in extreme cases, a broken ejector.

Vltor redesigned the fire control geometry so that no Fortis parts would interchange with the original gun (for product liability reasons I assume). This resulted in the expenditure of substantial time & engineering resources I would further assume. In view of the fact that less than 1350 original guns total were built and a substantial number of them have either been lost thru normal attrition or relegated to safe queen status; you have to wonder how large a liability exposure this really is and even more importantly, was it necessary. Remember that Tom Dornaus had already danced that dance with the Peregrine Falcon and he has not heard word one from Vltor. I also wonder what this change will do to the trigger pull characteristics which were uniformly excellent on later, correctly assembled original guns in both SA & DA modes.

Jeff Cooper's intent was that the pistol be totally self contained for basic field adjustment & maintenance. The castellated barrel bushing could be removed by using the magazine as a tool to unscrew it. The stocks, etc. could be removed using the screwdriver built into the guide rod assembly. That is gone now. The extractor/loaded chamber indicator assembly of the original has been redesigned by Vltor. The original was not prone to failure but contained a number of small parts. Vltor has eliminated a number of these parts which will make it easier to manufacture & assemble and therefore more economical. You (read I) also have to wonder about the new trigger pull characteristics.

When Tom Dornaus built the original prototype, he started by scaling up the trigger pull length and control locations of the 9mm sized CZ75 to .45 ACP proportions. When that happened, Jeff Cooper felt that it was a long reach in order to manipulate the thumb safety and insisted that Dornaus relocate it. This may have seemed like an easy and obvious revision to Cooper but in actuality, it wreaked havoc with the fire control geometry and Dornaus lost a fair amount of the hair he had left getting every thing to fit & work correctly after that. The length of pull was also tweaked by Dornaus and that plus the thickness of the grip compromised the magazine capacity to some extent. It was actually reduced twice before the ten rounds of .40 Special ammunition was settled upon. Anyway, this exercise is covered in more detail in Carrillo's book.

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How can only 19 people like the 93r? It has one of the coolest/probably useless vertical grips eva! Also pretty much every bad guy in that Johnny Depp/Angelina Jolie movie The Tourist, had one

Most of us have better taste in movies.